Common Misconceptions Of Hyper-Grace

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Anti-nomian heresies have always been around. Hyper grace is just the latest manifestation.

Nonsense! It doesn't matter how many times you say this - it still does not make it true no matter how much you want it to be true.

At some point we are hoping you will have to start being honest and just say " I don't agree with it" - instead of saying mis-representations about the grace of Christ.

Objection #5: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against God’s Law

Some take this claim so far as to suggest that we even want to throw out or ignore the Old Testament. Wow! What wild imaginations these accusers have!
The truth is that we are by no means antinomian (against the law of God), nor do we disbelieve or avoid teaching the Old Testament. Most of us actually esteem the power and purpose of God’s law so highly that we understand grace to be the only way of escape from its impossibly stringent demands.

Paul shared in Romans 3 and elsewhere that God’s purposes for the law were two-fold: 1) to stop our self-righteous excuses, minimizations and justifications of our sin and 2) to reveal our desperate need of a Savior by grace through faith
. The entire thrust of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount was to bury His very self-righteous audience under the weight of one inescapable reality: “Unless your righteousness surpasses that of the world’s most stringent law-keepers (the Pharisees and teachers of the law) you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt.5:20).

That Jesus came to “fulfill” the Law (Matt. 5:17) means that He came to keep its demands perfectly because He knew that we couldn’t and wouldn’t. He fulfilled the stringent demands of the Law on our behalf as our Substitute so that His record of perfection could be credited to our spiritual account when we received Him by grace through faith.

He did what you and I couldn’t and wouldn’t, and the Sermon on the Mount is a damning indictment of anyone who thinks they can measure up to God’s standards on their own effort.

And have you heard of this “cheap grace” idea? Sometimes the term is ripped off and redefined from Bonhoeffer’s vocabulary to insinuate that the hyper-grace movement has cheapened the grace of God by making it “too easy” for people to attain. After all, we live in a world where there’s no such thing as a free lunch, right?

We certainly don't believe or teach that grace is cheap. It cost Jesus His life! But we DO agree with the New Testament that His grace is FREE to those who receive it freely by faith.

The truth of the matter is that hyper-grace teachers are not guilty of promoting cheap grace at all. Rather, our critics are often guilty of promoting cheap Law! Far from being anti-law, WE are the ones who esteem God's Law so highly as to conclude that there is no escape from its condemnation apart from faith in Christ alone!

The Law is an all-or-nothing proposition. To stumble in just one aspect of keeping it is the equivalent of breaking all of it (James 2:10). The Law is a ministry of death and condemnation (2 Cor. 3:7-11). The Law is not the bad guy, however. It simply points out who the bad guys are (the world, the flesh and the devil)! The Law is holy and pure and designed to show us what sin is (Rom.7:7).

But living under Law cannot save, change or transform a single heart – only grace can! And this is why we are so adamant about never mixing a law-based mentality with a grace-based mentality toward spiritual life or growth under God’s New Covenant. The New Testament repeatedly affirms that our salvation and sanctification are either completely by law or completely by grace, but cannot be a result of mixing the two.

 
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Anti-nomian heresies have always been around. Hyper grace is just the latest manifestation.
Here is another article that refutes this nonsense - again.

Does the Hyper-Grace Gospel Promote Lawlessness? A Response to Daniel Norris


Yet another article has come out in Charisma News maligning the hyper-grace gospel and those of us who preach it. In it, Daniel Norris worries that preaching grace without the law leads to the sort of lawlessness that Jesus said “would abound in the last days” (Matt. 24:12).

The implication is that those of us who preach this message are causing the love of many to grow cold. As others have claimed, our heretical teachings may be responsible for a last day’s apostasy sends millions to hell.


The punchline of this latest article is that we would delight in the old covenant law, as David did, and so right the “tilting ship” of unbalanced grace.

Since I am one of those who preaches the “toxic theology” of hyper-grace, and since I have long argued that the law has no relevance for the believer, permit me to respond to the accusations made in the article, which I summarize in eight points:

1. Preaching grace without law is unbalanced. Remember John 3:16!

John 3:16 is arguably the greatest sentence ever uttered and it ends like this: “…whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.” Notice the period at the end of that verse. It is the greatest period in the history of periods. That period tells us there are no price-tags attached to the grace of God. The abundant and blessed life that Christ offers you has already been given and paid for at the cross. You can’t earn it, work for it, or reimburse him for it. All you can do is receive it by faith.

What does this have to do with law? Absolutely nothing. The word law is mentioned nowhere in this verse or chapter. If Jesus did not see fit to balance God’s grace with law, neither should we.

The rest of this article can be seen for those interested in this mis-representation of the truth. There are comments at the bottom of the article where people can ask questions.


https://escapetoreality.org/2014/09/09/hyper-grace-lawlessness/



 
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G77, I think I know the answer to this already but...you do know, don't you, that you are being lumped together with just about every televangelist on tv? Even the ones who teach that if you want a mercedes and you don't have it it's because you haven't asked with faith?
 
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G77, I think I know the answer to this already but...you do know, don't you, that you are being lumped together with just about every televangelist on tv? Even the ones who teach that if you want a mercedes and you don't have it it's because you haven't asked with faith?
I know...that's just the nature of the beast....All is well....they need to dis-credit the messenger to disparge the message ...it's a common tactic and I expect it....:)...it is actually a great sign!

( what?..you mean I can't "faith in " whatever I want? )..lol
 
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Anti
G473 ἀντί anti (an-tee') prep.
1. against, opposite, instead of

Nomian (from nomos)
G3551 νόμος nomos (nom'-os) n.
1. law (through the idea of prescriptive usage)

Anti-nomian = instead of law

Hyper grace. Salvation independent of any commandment (law). Grace instead of law. Anti-nomian.

Jesus said: “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I tell [you]? Luke 6:46
 
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We love the law of Christ, the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of faith. The law of Jesus Himself in us - the hope of glory!


Galatians 5:22-23 (NASB)
[SUP]22 [/SUP] But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,

[SUP]23 [/SUP] gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.


Colossians 3:2-3 (NASB)

[SUP]2[/SUP] Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God
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The true Christian life is an endless adventure with the One who loves us dearly!
 
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Anti
G473 ἀντί anti (an-tee') prep.
1. against, opposite, instead of

Nomian (from nomos)
G3551 νόμος nomos (nom'-os) n.
1. law (through the idea of prescriptive usage)

Anti-nomian = instead of law

Hyper grace. Salvation independent of any commandment (law). Grace instead of law. Anti-nomian.

Jesus said: “Why do you call me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I tell [you]? Luke 6:46

So do tell, Who in here would fit this description..

I think this is just a strawman..
 
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Part of the law of Christ > Matthew 5-7. One example from that law.

If you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:12-15
 
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Part of the law of Christ > Matthew 5-7. One example from that law.
If you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:12-15
Really?..or is it just your "application" of this scripture?..let's have a look at the scriptures.

The true gospel of the grace of Christ is important.

Here are the very scriptures again - remember these are word-for-word accounts of the true gospel of the grace of Christ being preached.

Here's Peter....shouldn't he have said "
You need to forgive anyone first before you can receive God's forgiveness by the blood of Jesus"??

Acts 10:43 (NASB)
[SUP]43 [/SUP] "Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins."


And the same thing for Paul - he didn't say 'You need to forgive first before we you can be forgiven by the blood of Jesus"
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Acts 13:38 (NASB)
[SUP]38 [/SUP] "Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through Him forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you,

Or is it possible Jesus was talking about the law when He gave those words out for His disciples at the time they were still under law then? The New Covenant didn't come into effect until Jesus died and rose again to obtain our eternal forgiveness.

Here Paul says that forgiveness is all based on "according to the riches of His grace "..not if we forgive first.

Ephesians 1:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace
 
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Part of the law of Christ > Matthew 5-7. One example from that law.
If you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:12-15
Did you ever hear Billy Graham preaching the gospel and say " Before you can receive Christ you have to forgive your mother-in-law. "

No where does it say anything after the cross about forgiving someone first before God will forgive you.

The Cross of Jesus changed everything!

 
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Part of the law of Christ > Matthew 5-7. One example from that law.
If you forgive people their sins, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. But if you do not forgive people, neither will your Father forgive your sins. Matthew 6:12-15
I am so glad you brought this up and here is a great teaching on Matt 6 - in context! Context is everything in scriptures!

What a beautiful truth we get from our Lord's words when we read them in context! The Lord's prayer is wonderful when you see it in context. This is exciting!

[video=youtube;Ujyb683RNtM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujyb683RNtM[/video]
 
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I know...that's just the nature of the beast....All is well....they need to dis-credit the messenger to disparge the message ...it's a common tactic and I expect it....:)...it is actually a great sign!

( what?..you mean I can't "faith in " whatever I want? )..lol
At least I am taking my break/vacation and I'm going laughing because of you saying in the other thread it gives more meaning to the phrase, sleeping with one eye open. I peed my pants a little bit laughing and laughing at you!!:D

Be well brother, I'll see you later!
 
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Hyper grace = no rules, no does and don'ts

Rules, does and don'ts = law

A
G1 α a (al'-fah) n.
4. (prefix, commonly) not, without (a-, an-, i.e.

Nomos
G3551 νόμος nomos (nom'-os) n.
1. law

Hyper grace = no rules, no does and don'ts = not law (anomos)

Anomos
G459 ἄνομος anomos (an'-om-os) adj.
1. lawless

Hyper grace. Lawless
 
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At least I am taking my break/vacation and I'm going laughing because of you saying in the other thread it gives more meaning to the phrase, sleeping with one eye open. I peed my pants a little bit laughing and laughing at you!!:D

Be well brother, I'll see you later!
Have a great rest and have fun on your vacation!....imagine having Jezebel as a mother-in-law?.....or having Ahab as a husband?...my goodness!

See you when you come back..Bless you!


 
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At least I am taking my break/vacation and I'm going laughing because of you saying in the other thread it gives more meaning to the phrase, sleeping with one eye open. I peed my pants a little bit laughing and laughing at you!!:D

Be well brother, I'll see you later!
I am headed to Michigan to spend a week on the lakes. I hope you enjoy yours, be blessed.
 
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Hyper grace = no rules, no does and don'ts

Rules, does and don'ts = law

A
G1 α a (al'-fah) n.
4. (prefix, commonly) not, without (a-, an-, i.e.

Nomos
G3551 νόμος nomos (nom'-os) n.
1. law

Hyper grace = no rules, no does and don'ts = not law (anomos)

Anomos
G459 ἄνομος anomos (an'-om-os) adj.
1. lawless

Hyper grace. Lawless

here is another one who always bears false witness. Will it ever end.
 

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Hyper grace = no rules, no does and don'ts

Rules, does and don'ts = law

A
G1 α a (al'-fah) n.
4. (prefix, commonly) not, without (a-, an-, i.e.

Nomos
G3551 νόμος nomos (nom'-os) n.
1. law

Hyper grace = no rules, no does and don'ts = not law (anomos)

Anomos
G459 ἄνομος anomos (an'-om-os) adj.
1. lawless

Hyper grace. Lawless
Romans 3:31
Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. kjv

Well then, if we emphasize faith, does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law. New living version
 
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here is another one who always bears false witness. Will it ever end.
Just forget it Eg...we have put the truth up there for everyone to see. We can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal the things of Jesus to us all! He will be faithful to us!
 
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Nonsense! It doesn't matter how many times you say this - it still does not make it true no matter how much you want it to be true.

At some point we are hoping you will have to start being honest and just say " I don't agree with it" - instead of saying mis-representations about the grace of Christ.

Honesty? what is that lately..
 
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Just forget it Eg...we have put the truth up there for everyone to see. We can trust the Holy Spirit to reveal the things of Jesus to us all! He will be faithful to us!

I would love to forget it, But then I go into thread after thread on a daily basis where the same thing happens on a greater bases.. 2 particular people bearing false witness against children of God. who do not want to discuss anything but what they think is true..

Look at today, in a thread that has nothing to do with grace, I am told I should not judge another person who tells me what I believe, Whether what he said is true or not..