All Christians need to know what “the crown of life” means

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2016

I can understand where one could think that....but where does Paul say that he takes up his cross daily? I couldn't find that anywhere. Are you sure you have just heard others say that in church before?

Post #11 shows how I relate to this "dying to self" stuff. But everyone can chose to believe how they want too..

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...what-oethe-crown-lifea-means.html#post2666298

oldethennew · Jun 18, 2016

ZacharyB said:

Yes, of course, but the point is ...
Is this required to keep your salvation?

How do you view the many warnings re: losing salvation?
Blessings![/QUOTE

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Zachary,

there is a clear line drawn in the sand, and by definition that is 'BLASPHEMY of the HOLY SPIRIT' -

when we receive the Holy Spirit, we have Eternal Life, it states this over and over in the scriptures,
and 'no person can take this from us'...

we have a guarantee of Eternal Life, and 'works' have nothing to do with this precious GIFT',
but, 'works' have to do with our position in the coming Kingdom of God, so of course they DO MATTER...

the parable of 'The Talents' explains the situation pretty well - each servant multiplies the 'gift a certain fold',
but one servant does 'nothing', he buries his in the ground and so, he is basically denying that his Master
gave him the 'gift' to start with...

God is the Decider of where the line in the sand is drawn - there does seem to be several ways in which
one can deny their Lord and Saviour, and as it is written, 'he that denies Me, I shall deny him before My Father...

we pray that all who Love their Saviour never ever get close...

oldethennew · Jun 18, 2016

Angela53510 said:

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Angela,

thank you very much in your correction of the phrase 'die-daily', we should have checked with
our Concordance...and so, we have to 'sacrifice' one of our favorite phrases, lol...

even so, we definitely identify with it, because, DAILY we are either correcting ourselves or
each other with Jesus' Spiritual Correction, praying that in our struggles with the flesh and spirit
that our victories will always be in The Spirit, through Jesus Christ our Lord...

SteelToedKodiak · Jun 18, 2016

oldethennew said:

1COR. 15:31.
I protest by your rejoicing which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.

Christ lives in us, we die daily, that is, that we must 'over-come' the habits and thoughts and actions
of the Adam creature, the 'old-man'...we must submit and obey and learn how to live the Christ creature,
for we are to become a 'new-creation' in our Saviour,,,if we stay in the carnal minded state,
and serve our flesh, then we 'insult' and 'trample under foot 'The Spirit of Grace'...

If we are born again in Christ, would we then die daily? Are we born again daily?

notmyown · Jun 18, 2016

SteelToedKodiak said:

ain't it a kind of metaphor?

... to die to self and selfishness and live to God and others, isn't that right?

it's about what we do with this life, and how we live it.
carry our cross, not His.

popeye · Jun 18, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

We did die.

We are putting to death daily our rights to ourselves.

"dying" = refusing our will,desires,ambitions so aggressively it is synonymous with the death dimension we identify with at baptism.

Not a spiritual or physical death,but nonetheless,a death,in that the thing CANNOT co exist,with a believer that "contends for the mastery"

We basically fail daily,in this very dimension,in that we,compared to the apostles,are jokes,in our level of intensity.

popeye · Jun 18, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Ok,Jesus said it best "...a seed is just a seed. But if it goes into the ground and "dies" it spings forth and brings much fruit"

Jesus set in motion a WALK. That entails motion. So,each day is new. I commit it to him. Dedicate it to him. At the same time,I resist every weight,and thought,and desire,that is not from heaven,or Jesus.

IOW,IF HEAVEN IS NOT THE ORIGINATOR,I consider it garbage.

I "die" to all that does not come from the mind,mouth,and hand of the King.

I say with heaven I am dead to those things. I died in 1976. I live to and for the king.

In the movie The Robe,Richard Burton at conversion,tells Peter "my life,my sword,and my fortune,now belong to your king"

To me,that sums it up. They captured the concept

popeye · Jun 18, 2016

At the end of judges when Israel fought Benjamin,they counciled with God,and were told to go against Benjamin,and that town.
THEY LOST HORRIBLY.

they regrouped,asked God again,and were told to fight Benjamin.

AGAIN,THEY LOST HORRIBLY.

they finally win,but it was a mess.

The war was over gross sin. The horror that is the fruit of sin.

Benjamin made the mistake of DEFENDING the purps,and the act.

We will never get the types here,that are our lesson,unless we look at the story from the "back side"

It is too vivid to NOT be a type,and too bizarre to learn anything at face value.

Why do I bring it up?

Because we are in a dimension that is increasingly getting bizarre. We used to get by in a one dimensional awareness.

Now,we are held accountable for every facet of our day.

That story in judges is a good read. It,basically is a type of the crucifixion.

The horror of sin,and the carnage,THE UTTER CARNAGE,left in its wake.

We should all shudder at the vividness of that story and its relevance,and depth.

valiant · Jun 18, 2016

To 'die daily' has nothing to do with dying to sin (although it sounds good). It is being ready to literally die on a daily basis for Christ.

When it comes to sin we have died once for all with Christ (Rom 6.3) something we have to reckon on. (v 11)

Grace777x70 · Jun 18, 2016

popeye said:

okie dokie..that's quite a stretch tho....but I can see the human reasoning behind it....I think I'll stick with the scriptures that tell me I am already dead and my real life is hidden in Christ in God.

oldethennew · Jun 18, 2016

REV. 3:3.
Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent.
If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know
what hour I will come upon thee.

popeye · Jun 18, 2016

1cor 15:31 " .....i die daily"

"Paul also said " I pick up my cross daily"

In Romans 8 "......by the Spirit I do mortify the deeds of the flesh."

You act like there are no verses for what I am talking about.

There is no conflict in having died at the new birth,and continually dying daily.

The 5 foolish virgins illustrate the need for daily In filling of the HS.

Even though they had oil earlier. Or daily walk is maintained through daily dying and in filling.

That is scriptural

Grace777x70 · Jun 19, 2016

Paul was talking about "I die daily" in relation to his life being in jeopardy because of his preaching the gospel. This is nothing to do with him "dying to himself".

1 Corinthians 15:30-32 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Why are we also in danger every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP] I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what does it profit me? If the dead are not raised, LET US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE.

Paul never said "I pick up my cross daily"...where is this scripture? I can say that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of revelation all day long but that doesn't mean it's in there. ( altho it does talk about the birds of the air in Revelation ..lol )

Romans 8:13 - is saying that we will by the Spirit put to death the deeds of the body. This is not dying to yourself. This is stopping the law of sin which is in the flesh from dominating the real you in Christ.

There is a major conflict with having died at the new birth and continuing to die daily afterwards. We have died in the same way that Jesus died. In the exact same "likeness" we have died just like Jesus did. Does Jesus "die to Himself daily" too since He died and was raised from the dead?

Romans 6:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,

I do understand where we have gotten the idea of "I die daily" but in my view it is incompatible with the gospel of us having been crucified on the cross with Christ and being raised with Him to newness of life. We have a new life hidden in Him now. There is no other life to die from.

ZacharyB · Jun 19, 2016

Grace 777 ...

I would think that "knowing" we have died with Christ
would help us to live the true Christian life as Romans 6:5-8 talks about.

Romans 6 specializes in instructing believers to:
CHOOSE to be slaves of obedience, and
CHOOSE to be slaves of righteousness
... unto holiness and eternal life!
I.E. CHOOSE life or death.

Factoid:
Not one in 1000 believers understand Romans 6.
Do you?

Grace777x70 · Jun 19, 2016

ZacharyB said:

Well...personally I don't know all Christians and whether they know what romans 6 means what I think it means or not. I can't make that judgment call on my fellow believers.

To me Romans 6 is all about knowing that we have died with Christ on the cross and that we have newness of life in Him now after we were raised up with Him.

The entity "sin" has no more jurisdiction over me because I am in Christ. I believe that understanding there is a difference between the noun "sin" and the verb "sinning" is paramount to understanding that we are not under sin any more because we have been cut away from the body of flesh.

We then can yield our members of our body for sinning or for righteousness by using our will but it's in "knowing" that we are dead to the noun "sin" where we will have the power to yield to the right things.

popeye · Jun 19, 2016

Inoticed you did not try and "school me " on the other 2 verses.

Does " cross" mean something other than a cross?

What about " mortify".

I think I know why the resistance to those verses.

I also think that same resistance would negate Pauls struggle with thoughts and the 2 natures.

You think there are NOT 2 natures correct?

No need for this; " casting down imagination and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ"

There are no thoughts,ambitions,desires,lusts,obsessions,etc,to "put to death" right?

popeye · Jun 19, 2016

ZacharyB said:

I would think so too.

I would also think " mortify",cross",and " casting down", would not refer to something that happened to Paul 15 years prior ,at his conversion.

Uh,cross daily?
That was what? a misprint?

popeye · Jun 19, 2016

ZacharyB said:

Are you saying you do understand it ?

Are you in agreement with the 2 natures concept in rom 6?

popeye · Jun 19, 2016

Grace777x70 said:

Paul was talking about "I die daily" in relation to his life being in jeopardy because of his preaching the gospel. This is nothing to do with him "dying to himself".

1 Corinthians 15:30-32 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] Why are we also in danger every hour?
[SUP]31 [/SUP] I affirm, brethren, by the boasting in you which I have in Christ Jesus our Lord, I die daily.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] If from human motives I fought with wild beasts at Ephesus, what does it profit me? If the dead are not raised, LET US EAT AND DRINK, FOR TOMORROW WE DIE.

Paul never said "I pick up my cross daily"...where is this scripture? I can say that Daffy Duck and Donald Duck are the 2 witnesses in the book of revelation all day long but that doesn't mean it's in there. ( altho it does talk about the birds of the air in Revelation ..lol )

Romans 8:13 - is saying that we will by the Spirit put to death the deeds of the body. This is not dying to yourself. This is stopping the law of sin which is in the flesh from dominating the real you in Christ.

There is a major conflict with having died at the new birth and continuing to die daily afterwards. We have died in the same way that Jesus died. In the exact same "likeness" we have died just like Jesus did. Does Jesus "die to Himself daily" too since He died and was raised from the dead?

Romans 6:5 (NASB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For if we have become united with Him in the likeness of His death, certainly we shall also be in the likeness of His resurrection,

I do understand where we have gotten the idea of "I die daily" but in my view it is incompatible with the gospel of us having been crucified on the cross with Christ and being raised with Him to newness of life. We have a new life hidden in Him now. There is no other life to die from.

Under this logic,there is no need for daily in filling if I have been filled 38 years ago.

You can not carry that concept forward with the backdrop of your belief.

popeye · Jun 19, 2016

Either the 5 foolish virgins were not virgins,or you guys have no basis.

One of the two.

Both?

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