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Nonsense.....the focus is on the Lord and thus what He has done for us is the reality of His work. We are a new creation. 2 Cor 5:17. I know this conflicts with humanistic mindsets and they cannot understand what this new creation actually is.

...knowing what the Lord has done in His finished work for us is paramount in growing in the grace and knowledge of Him. Grace believers always lift up Christ and say to focus on Him alone for He is our life. It's all Gnosticism to people that don't believe in being born again until they get a new body in the future like your beliefs are.

The natural mind of man whether they are a Christian or not cannot understand the spiritual realities that are in Christ Jesus - the new creation in Christ is a complete mystery to this natural mind. Righteousness is another mystery which is why some need to "maintain" their own works for righteousness and thus they need to establish their own.
From the above, notice how much the focus is on self and the result of what Christ has done, but not Christ himself.

  • The focus is on the Lord and thus what He has done for us (the lord becomes what he has done for us)
  • We are a new creation.
  • I know this conflicts with humanistic mindsets and they cannot understand what this new creation actually is.
  • ...knowing what the Lord has done in His finished work for us is paramount in growing in the grace and knowledge of Him.
  • the new creation in Christ is a complete mystery to this natural mind.
 
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From the above, notice how much the focus is on self and the result of what Christ has done, but not Christ himself.

  • The focus is on the Lord and thus what He has done for us (the lord becomes what he has done for us)
  • We are a new creation.
  • I know this conflicts with humanistic mindsets and they cannot understand what this new creation actually is.
  • ...knowing what the Lord has done in His finished work for us is paramount in growing in the grace and knowledge of Him.
  • the new creation in Christ is a complete mystery to this natural mind.
What part about "in Christ" is still a mystery to you? Notice the term "in Christ". It has everything to do with Him. He is our Lord and He lives inside of believers by the Holy Spirit who has sealed us.

Is the new creation in Christ still a mystery to you? Have you even heard about Christ and that He died on the cross for us?

This is one of the reasons that so many of us are genuinely concerned about you.

2 Corinthians 5:17-18 (NASB)

[SUP]17 [/SUP] Therefore if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; the old things passed away; behold, new things have come.

[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,

At some point HeRose - you need to start believing in Christ and what He has done for you by dying on the cross and being resurrected so that we can have newness of life in Him.

I encourage you to start believing in Jesus our Lord and in what He has done and then having His life bearing fruit in and through you!
 
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From the above, notice how much the focus is on self and the result of what Christ has done, but not Christ himself.
That's hilarious. It's you who constantly point others to "self" and self-effort. And it's "we" who constantly point others to the living Christ.
 
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That's hilarious. It's you who constantly point others to "self" and self-effort. And it's "we" who constantly point others to the living Christ.
I know..it's as if it's a crime for Christ to actually have done anything for us by His death and resurrection. I am genuinely concerned over HeRose.
 

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That's hilarious. It's you who constantly point others to "self" and self-effort. And it's "we" who constantly point others to the living Christ.
this is same thought I had. if you had not posted this, I would have!
 
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At some point HeRose - you need to start believing in Christ and what He has done for you by dying on the cross and being resurrected so that we can have newness of life in Him.

I encourage you to start believing in Jesus our Lord and in what He has done and then having His life bearing fruit in and through you!
From now on notice that when Christ is mentioned, the words what he has done are almost always appended to it. Also notice that faith is in Christ AND what he has done (ie, the new creation). So it goes beyond faith in Christ himself to faith in the new creation.
 
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From now on notice that when Christ is mentioned, the words what he has done are almost always appended to it. Also notice that faith is in Christ AND what he has done (ie, the new creation). So it goes beyond faith in Christ himself to faith in the new creation.
Yes...imagine actually believing in Christ and that He actually did something when He was here on this earth and now for "believers" He lives inside of us by the Holy Spirit - who reveals the things of God to us. I suppose the Holy Spirit is gnostic now too?

You do realize that Jesus did die on the cross...right?...why did He die on the cross and why did the Father resurrect Jesus with His own blood? The gospel seems to be a complete mystery to you.

We are genuinely concerned about you HeRose.

2 Corinthians 5:20-21 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.
 
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In just about every epistle the writers address unbelievers in them in some form or other and if you want to call that twisting scriptures...have at it....fill your boots....:)

Matt. 7 is a parallel scripture to Mark 11. Watch this video and you will see how to read scriptures in context and how to rightly divide scriptures. It will bless you abundantly!

If we do not rightly divide scriptures - you will need to go to Jerusalem to preach the gospel just like Jesus commanded " Go preach the gospel, first in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria." If you haven't gone to Jerusalem to preach the gospel yet according to Jesus' command - you are in dis-obedience....just sayin'..:)

Perhaps there is more to this then meets the casual eye? Perhaps we need to interpret scriptures in light of the finished work of Christ?...many say - Yes!..and I agree with them.



[video=youtube;Ujyb683RNtM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujyb683RNtM[/video]




In other words, You won't answer the question, [What do you think about Mk 11: 25].
You know I won't watch scruffy people who have no respect for God, their Ministry or the people they minister to.
So just tell me what you think of Mk 11: 25.
 
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In just about every epistle the writers address unbelievers in them in some form or other and if you want to call that twisting scriptures...have at it....fill your boots....:)

Matt. 7 is a parallel scripture to Mark 11. Watch this video and you will see how to read scriptures in context and how to rightly divide scriptures. It will bless you abundantly!

If we do not rightly divide scriptures - you will need to go to Jerusalem to preach the gospel just like Jesus commanded " Go preach the gospel, first in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria." If you haven't gone to Jerusalem to preach the gospel yet according to Jesus' command - you are in dis-obedience....just sayin'..:)

Perhaps there is more to this then meets the casual eye? Perhaps we need to interpret scriptures in light of the finished work of Christ?...many say - Yes!..and I agree with them.



[video=youtube;Ujyb683RNtM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ujyb683RNtM[/video]





Unlike you, I know how to rightly divide the scriptures, and unlike you, I don't twist them.
 
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In other words, You won't answer the question, [What do you think about Mk 11: 25].
You know I won't watch scruffy people who have no respect for God, their Ministry or the people they minister to.
So just tell me what you think of Mk 11: 25.

That's too bad you will not listen to people that the Lord has anointed to teach to us. Jesus gave us gifts to the body of Christ so that we will grow up in Him. But thank you for revealing your disparaging views on fellow Christians as I know now just to ignore you.

I believe in what happened at the cross and resurrection of Jesus. The Cross changed things.

We forgive now because we have been forgiven by Christ as His blood has redeemed us. We have a new nature in Christ that is forgiving. We don't forgive to be forgiven as it was before the cross.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

Colossians 3:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

Ephesians 1:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

[SUP]8 [/SUP] which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight


If we do not rightly divide scriptures - you will need to go to Jerusalem to preach the gospel just like Jesus commanded " Go preach the gospel, first in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria." If you haven't gone to Jerusalem to preach the gospel yet according to Jesus' command - you are in dis-obedience....

Anyway, I can see your complete disregard for fellow believers in Christ so don't be too surprised if I ignore you from here on out as I will be obeying Romans 16:17.

Have a great day and congratulations on voting to leave the EU - probably a good move.
 
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That's too bad you will not listen to people that the Lord has anointed to teach to us. Jesus gave us gifts to the body of Christ so that we will grow up in Him. But thank you for revealing your disparaging views on fellow Christians as I know now just to ignore you.

I believe in what happened at the cross and resurrection of Jesus. The Cross changed things.

We forgive now because we have been forgiven by Christ as His blood has redeemed us. We have a new nature in Christ that is forgiving. We don't forgive to be forgiven as it was before the cross.

Ephesians 4:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] Be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you.

Colossians 3:13 (NASB)
[SUP]13 [/SUP] bearing with one another, and forgiving each other, whoever has a complaint against anyone; just as the Lord forgave you, so also should you.

Ephesians 1:7-8 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace

[SUP]8 [/SUP] which He lavished on us. In all wisdom and insight


If we do not rightly divide scriptures - you will need to go to Jerusalem to preach the gospel just like Jesus commanded " Go preach the gospel, first in Jerusalem, Judea and Samaria." If you haven't gone to Jerusalem to preach the gospel yet according to Jesus' command - you are in dis-obedience....

Anyway, I can see your complete disregard for fellow believers in Christ so don't be too surprised if I ignore you from here on out as I will be obeying Romans 16:17.

Have a great day and congratulations on voting to leave the EU - probably a good move.
That man isn't Anointed by God.
A Country would never send a stuffy ambassador out to represent them, and neither will God.

Please answer the question,
"What do you think about Mk 11: 25--26.
 

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That man isn't Anointed by God.
A Country would never send a stuffy ambassador out to represent them, and neither will God.

Please answer the question,
"What do you think about Mk 11: 25--26.
judge much?? a man's clothes has Nothing to do with his ability to minister. it ain't 1983 anymore, catch up!!
 
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judge much?? a man's clothes has Nothing to do with his ability to minister. it ain't 1983 anymore, catch up!!
If a man's heart is right, his dress will be smart. And if his heart isn't right, then his ability to minister will suffer.
God hasn't changed, and neither should His ambassadors. Yet modern day Christians have changed so much that the early Church Father's wouldn't recognize them as God's Ministers, [Shame on them].
A Country will never send a scruffy ambassador out to represent the,, and neither will God.
You watch those scruffy ministers when they go to a business meeting, or to meet an important person, They will dress very smart, yet when it comes to Church and Ministry, their attitude is, "Oh It's only God".
They have no respect for God, their ministry or the people they minister to.
 
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James 2:1-4 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]
My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism.

[SUP]2 [/SUP] For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and
dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes,

[SUP]3 [/SUP] and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, "You sit here in a good place," and you say to the poor man, "You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,"

[SUP]4 [/SUP] have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives?

James 2:9 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

 

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If a man's heart is right, his dress will be smart. And if his heart isn't right, then his ability to minister will suffer.
God hasn't changed, and neither should His ambassadors. Yet modern day Christians have changed so much that the early Church Father's wouldn't recognize them as God's Ministers, [Shame on them].
A Country will never send a scruffy ambassador out to represent the,, and neither will God.
You watch those scruffy ministers when they go to a business meeting, or to meet an important person, They will dress very smart, yet when it comes to Church and Ministry, their attitude is, "Oh It's only God".
They have no respect for God, their ministry or the people they minister to.
Nothing wrong with dressing well but to judge a person according to their dressing is looking at external appearance only. Has nothing to do with a persons heart. Mormons and JWs run around in lovely clothing, deceiving people with their smart dress but poisonous doctrines.
 

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And this is why you struggle with understanding our point of view.

We aren't doing anything to be saved.

We are saved. And as a result of it we are a new creation. With a new heart. With a new mind. That has the laws of God written on it. Which means He is not ashamed to call us His brothers. And His God our God. And His Father our Father.

10For it was fitting that he, for whom and by whom all things exist, in bringing many sons to glory, should make the founder of their salvation perfect through suffering. 11For he who sanctifies and those who are sanctified all have one source.[SUP]b[/SUP] That is why he is not ashamed to call them brothers,[SUP]c[/SUP] 12saying,

“I will tell of your name to my brothers;
in the midst of the congregation I will sing your praise.”

13And again,

“I will put my trust in him.”

And again,

“Behold, I and the children God has given me.”


We are sanctified children of God.

Notice that when Jesus returns after being crucified. He says something very interesting.

John 20:19 19On the evening of that day, the first day of the week, the doors being locked where the disciples were for fear of the Jews,[SUP]c[/SUP] Jesus came and stood among them and said to them, “Peace be with you.20When he had said this, he showed them his hands and his side. Then the disciples were glad when they saw the Lord. 21Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”

Why does Jesus say peace be with you, 2x? But you don't see Him saying this until AFTER He was crucified. This to me actually points to an exciting OT Scripture in Isaiah.

But before I go into that Scripture, here's a few exciting things about Isaiah. It has 66 chapters. The Bible has 66 books. The OT is 39 books, in Isaiah 39 it speaks of God's judgement on Israel, which is why Hezekiah says at least their will be peace in my days. But in Isaiah 40 (the 40th chapter). Which points to the beginning of the NT. And of course if you know Bible numerology at all 40 is considered the number for transformation. :)

Isaiah 40:1 Comfort, comfort my people, says your God. (Comfort is also peace)

We know this because Noah's name is comfort or peace. Which is 10th generation after Adam, which is right before the judgment, Noah was the man God used to save people through the Ark. But that's for another post.

2Speak tenderly to Jerusalem,
and cry to her
that her warfare[SUP]a[/SUP] is ended,
that her iniquity is pardoned,
that she has received from the Lord’s hand
double for all her sins.


We see here Isaiah prophesying that her sins have been paid for, iniquity pardoned and her warfare with God is over. She now has peace with God. Why? Because of Christ. God says peace be with you.

And here's another cool little Scripture you might have read many times in the NT. Right after this one.

Isaiah 40:3 3A voice cries:[SUP]b[/SUP]
“In the wilderness prepare the way of the Lord;
make straight in the desert a highway for our God.

Where do we find this Scripture?

Matthew 3:1 In those days John the Baptist came preaching in the wilderness of Judea, 2Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

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For this is he who was spoken of by the prophet Isaiah when he said,
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
make his paths straight.’”


So you see in Matt 3, John is saying repent for the Kingdom of Heaven is at hand. But what is his message? He is referring to of course Isaiah 40:3, but in Isaiah 40:1-2 it shows us what the Kingdom of God looks like: peace with God.

Repent (Change your mind) for the Kingdom (God's Dominion) is here. Turn towards God.

For the Kingdom of God is not a matter of what we eat or drink, but of living a life of goodness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

Are you starting to see what in Christ means yet? :)

Here's another interesting question, why does Paul use the term, Christ Jesus and not Jesus Christ?

People are waiting to go to Heaven, but Jesus says its to our advantage the Kingdom of God comes to us.

John 16:7Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. 8And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment: 9concerning sin, because they do not believe in me; 10concerning righteousness, because I go to the Father, and you will see me no longer; 11concerning judgment, because the ruler of this world is judged.

Kingdom of God is in Holy Spirit
1. He convicts of sin to those who do not believe in Jesus. That's the sin now.
2. He teaches righteousness to those in Christ. Jesus is one with the Father.
3. His judgment is on the ruler of this world. That is why the works of the devil are being destroyed.

1 John 3:8 The one who practices sin is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the very start. This is why the Son of God was revealed, to destroy the works of the devil.

This is the mandate of Christ. And He is still doing it today through His Body. You are following the Spirit of God who only declares what Christ gives Him.

After Jesus tells the disciples it's to their advantage He goes (not so they can go to Heaven) but so that the Spirit of God can come into them! He says the following...

12“I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. 13When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come. 14He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

So now Holy Spirit is speaking to us. Declaring truth to us. Glorifying the Son of God by declaring what is Jesus' to us.

And here's something that might help this become clearer: Kingdom of God and Heaven are being used because Jews didn't want to use the name of God. So Matthew writes Kingdom of Heaven to the Jews. So in essence they are interchangeable.

Matt 19:23-24 And Jesus said to His disciples, "Truly I say to you, it is hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. "Again I say to you, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

So why did I write all that?

1. Isaiah 40 (written about Jesus) tells us that their sins are done away with, their iniquity pardoned and they have peace with God.
2. Jesus after being crucified says peace be with you. And then we see the narrative changing to our God, our Father, in a deeper sense. He even gives them Holy Spirit after saying peace be with you. Why does HE do this? Because Holy Spirit now abides with us. Just as He is with Christ. He is the Spirit of Christ, Truth, etc.
3. The Kingdom is one of peace. When John said repent for the Kingdom is at hand, He was saying peace with God is now here. repent. When the Pharisees tried to repent he got angry with them.
4. Why was Jesus so angry with Pharisees??? Because they made people twice a children of hell as they were! They were the blind teaching the blind, they professed to know God, but when He stood in front of them they missed Him, because they thought their God was the letter of the law, but the letter was to point to the Author. People still trip up on this today. Preferring to know their Scripture instead of the Spirit. But it is those who follow Him that are the sons of God.
5. The OT was about doing, the NT is about being. This is the transformation that has happened in Christ. We now have peace with God.
6. The sin today is not knowing Christ. The judgment today is against the enemy. And the building up of the church is in righteousness. Which means "right standing" with God.
7. I know, I know, but if we tell people they don't have to obey God they won't obey Him. We have to use fear to get them to listen to Him! That's how we get them to bear fruit! I get it... Too bad it doesn't work, if it did, the OT would have been a different story. The law didn't contain the grace to complete it, but Christ finished work did. If we only believe.

And to people who think this through knowing self etc, you're completely wrong, it's about knowing God, His promises and believing them, and then walking in faith through them.

Or have you forgotten?

Hebrews 11:6 And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

Alot of people got the "he exists" part down, but don't believe He is actually a good father who rewards those who seek Him. And that's what faith actually is.

That's why it's the goodness and kindness of God that causes men to repent. Some thing it's something you are forced to do, but it's actually from the heart. Once you know how good He is, how loving He is, that's how we understand who we are joined with and that's what purifies us from the inside out.

The Pharisees did so hard to make sure the cup on the outside was clean (behavior), but inside they were dead (identity), and that's why no matter how much they devoted to behavior they couldn't do it. It became hypocrisy because they taught something they couldn't live. Because it wasn't about doing, but God's grace. And instead of coming to Him, they said look how far we've come, we are nothing like them, they did everything they could have eternal life, but Eternal Life is actually a Person. And we are now one with Him. If we are truly in Christ.

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Quibbling over word usage won't get far because non-normative words, like Christ-conscious, are just red herrings anyways. Pay attention, instead, to what meaning the words convey.

In hyper grace Christ-conscious means seeing Christ by seeing yourself. That's the key. From now on, notice how much faith in Christ is described this way. For example, seeing who you are in Christ and focus on your identity. Notice that the focus will always be on you.

IT's almost as if hyper grace doesn't believe in the living man Jesus Christ. Sure, it will give lip service to this fact, but notice how words are used. Christ himself, in terms of his redemptive work, is virtually always described in past tense. For example, what he has done for you and all sin was forgiven, etc. But when it comes to describing the living Christ, the focus shifts to one's self (be aware of who you are, your identity, etc.). It seems to be a faith, not in the living Christ, but in the results of what the past Christ accomplished.

Pay attention from now on and see if you don't notice the same thing. This btw is the essence of gnosticism: salvation by knowing one's divine identity.
 

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In other words, You won't answer the question, [What do you think about Mk 11: 25].
You know I won't watch scruffy people who have no respect for God, their Ministry or the people they minister to.
So just tell me what you think of Mk 11: 25.

Interesting you are judging people by their physical appearances.

"Scruffy" people.

I wonder if that's what the Pharisees, all clean and tidy, high and mighty, thought about the lower man Jesus, who wasn't as learned as them? I wonder why Jesus said to the crowds, did you come to see a man dressed in fine clothing? Is that really what you are looking for?

Matt 11:7
7As they went away, Jesus began to speak to the crowds concerning John: “What did you go out into the wilderness to see? A reed shaken by the wind? 8What then did you go out to see? A man[SUP]b[/SUP] dressed in soft clothing? Behold, those who wear soft clothing are in kings’ houses. 9What then did you go out to see? A prophet?[SUP]c[/SUP] Yes, I tell you, and more than a prophet. 10This is he of whom it is written,

“‘Behold, I send my messenger before your face,
who will prepare your way before you.’

11Truly, I say to you, among those born of women there has arisen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet the one who is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12From the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven has suffered violence,[SUP]d[/SUP] and the violent take it by force. 13For all the Prophets and the Law prophesied until John, 14and if you are willing to accept it, he is Elijah who is to come. 15He who has ears to hear,[SUP]e[/SUP] let him hear.

16“But to what shall I compare this generation? It is like children sitting in the marketplaces and calling to their playmates,
17“‘We played the flute for you, and you did not dance;
we sang a dirge, and you did not mourn.’
18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look at him! A glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ Yet wisdom is justified by her deeds.”[SUP]f[/SUP]
 

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Let's talk about being conscious of Christ more... (See what I did there)

Let's begin with the fact that Christians didn't call themselves Christians. The world did.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him to Antioch. For a whole year they met with the church and taught a great many people. And in Antioch the disciples were first called Christians.

They were actually called "followers of the Way".

Paul tells us this in Acts.

Acts 22:4 And I persecuted the followers of the Way, hounding some to death, arresting both men and women and throwing them in prison.

What an interesting name followers of the Way, it appears they were more concerned about who they were following instead of what they were believing. Scripture is not about us arguing over our little principles, it's actually about following after the Spirit of Truth/Christ.

This doesn't mean we don't listen to other people because Paul says:

Phil 3:17 Brothers, join in imitating me, and keep your eyes on those who walk according to the example you have in us.

Did Paul just say keep your eyes on people? No way! We keep our eyes on Scripture Paul! What is he thinking???

1 Co 11:1 You are to imitate me, just as I imitate Christ.

You see this is exactly what the Pharisees tripped over, they had their nice little sayings, their cute little principles, but their lives were nothing like Christ. The power of the gospel transforms us to living like Christ.

But of course, we need to follow the Way.

John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.

Not sure what direction to go? Follow Him. The upward call of Christ.
Not sure what is true? Ask Him. He is the Truth.
Eternal life? It's a person.

Now if you're following me this Scripture will make much more sense. And hopefully the 100+ Scriptures that talk about in Christ or we could say in the Way. :)

This by the way is Paul sharing the gospel:

Acts 17:28 For in him we live and move and exist. As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'

If you read Acts 17 it will shock you, to what Paul considers the gospel, but that's another topic.

Here's where I'm going with this...

In Christ. Is not just a cute little saying, it's a reality. It's the Way. It's the Truth. And it's the Life. Because it's Him.

Galatians 2:4 Yet because of false brothers secretly brought in—who slipped in to spy out our freedom that we have in Christ Jesus, so that they might bring us into slavery5to them we did not yield in submission even for a moment, so that the truth of the gospel might be preserved for you.

The freedom in Christ is not a cute saying, it's a reality. And if you don't know it stop trying to enslave people. If you do know it, you'd know it. And if you don't then you should be listening not teaching.

Galatians 6:14 May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, through which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.

You are crucified THROUGH the cross. And you are reborn in Christ.

Galatians 2:20 I have been crucified with Christ and I no longer live, but Christ lives in me. The life I now live in the body, I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.

If you're still trying to get TO Christ, have you really accepted you are in Him? And if you're not in Him how will you come before the Father?

John 17:20“I do not ask for these only, but also for those who will believe in me through their word, 21that they may all be one, just as you, Father, are in me, and I in you, that they also may be in us, so that the world may believe that you have sent me.

So you see in Christ is not just a fancy way of saying, I'm a believer, but it's a reality to those who are in Him. It starts by dying to yourself and being reborn in Him. Being like little children you begin to the Kingdom.

Now hopefully that you see the importance of being in Christ. You now understand this Scripture and I hope it becomes crystal clear to you what has happened...

1 John 4:3 And every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you heard was coming and now is in the world already.

Jesus name means: God is our Salvation.
Christ means: Anointed One.
Christians means: little anointed ones.

Holy Spirit is the anointing of God.

What do you think the spirit of the antichrist is now? Anti-anointing.

[SUP]Romans 5:17 [/SUP]For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.

Are life is now in Christ. He is the Way to the Father. He is the Life. And Holy Spirit is teaching us who we are in Him.

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

Holy Spirit is the anointing of God. The Christos of God if you will. :)

1 John 2:26 I write these things to you about those who are trying to deceive you. 27But the anointing that you received from him abides in you, and you have no need that anyone should teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about everything, and is true, and is no lie—just as it has taught you, abide in him. 28And now, little children, abide in him, so that when he appears we may have confidence and not shrink from him in shame at his coming. 29If you know that he is righteous, you may be sure that everyone who practices righteousness has been born of him.


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Jesus paid the price so our sins can be forgiven.
And we can be forgiven, If we confess our sins and repent of them.
See 1 Jn 1: 8--10--- 1 Jn 2: 1--2.
Jesus also paid the price so we can be healed, Yet people get sick and even die.

Jesus has present day Ministries, and one of them, is to plead to God for any sins that we do.

Hello God4me., I'm thankful each day that our salvation is a finished work done by Jesus for us. This issue no longer comes up for me personally as a believer. I'm complete in Him. Walking His truth out by faith is what we are called to do. We are not called to keep getting saved each day. We walk out our salvation and the things He gave us. He gave us a spirit of power and love and a sound mind among many other things that come under the word 'salvation'. So we "walk it out"

This is how I'm committed along with other believers to live this out. Jesus already gave us the victory over sin., death and the flesh and the devil. I have to believe Him and work out what He has worked in me. Unless I do that I will not experience the fullness of my salvation.,even though the promises are mine even while here on earth for me to walk in. I don't have to wait till I die and go to heaven to have many of the promises meant for now. We are told to walk by faith and not by sight and then we WILL see.

I'm no longer a saved sinner., I'm now a saved son and my identity is hide IN Christ. I'm safe and secure and living in the promises now. I'm a saint not a sinner. Jesus secured my position as a righteous son no longer striving and afraid that God might not accept me. He accepts me 100% IN Christ. God accepted the sacrifice His Son made.

So now knowing there are so many more truths for us believers to have for the believing., I want all that Jesus died to give me so each day I learn more and more about Him and what He has done. What is this power that works within me? It's up to me to find out and walk it out by faith. (faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God)

Each of us has to do this personally. Yes., people are all on different individual places with that but the promises are for all of us. The reason I know Jesus is not pleading is because He gave all He had to give., all God required. Why would He have to do any pleading? He said it is finished and that is good enough for Him and for His Father. He is no longer suffering on the cross, He is seated at the right hand of the Father and they both are satisfied with what Jesus did. The marks on His resurrected body are there for all to see. He does not have to be re-crucified.

And it is not my business to try and regulate other people who believe they have to do more than Jesus. I can only share the truth of what He has done and trust the Holy Spirit will do as He did for me and release those people from the trappings of religion and give them the freedom Jesus died to secure for them. I know God loves them just as much as He loves me. But they need to believe it too.

And when they do., they will be so amazed they will get up every day in a new appreciation that Jesus could do such an impossible thing by loving so graciously and freely even though it is humanly impossible for us to comprehend He could love us like that., He does. To give us all things pertaining to life and godliness and for us to walk it out even this day. He did it all. Thank You Lord Jesus!

 
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Let's begin with the fact that Christians didn't call themselves Christians. The world did.
Just to comment on this one point.

There is evidence to suggest it was used in a derogatory way towards believers at the beginning, although I have myself not done any extensive research on it.

Language is fluid it always has been and will continue to be.

I have actually met some extremely legal types who refuse to use the word "Christian" because of its origin. They consider it to be of the world and extremely offensive.

What this demonstrates to me is in the world of Legalism one never arrives, it can never satisfy, but thankfully as you so wonderfully express it is no longer about arriving but resting in the anointing of the Holy Spirit of God.


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