Lordship Salvation is false teaching

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Grace alone faith alone Christ alone... code words for a work-phobic gospel.
 
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Yes...it is called the New Covenant - in Jesus' blood that was shed for our sins. It is all about Christ and His righteousness.

When we believe the real gospel of the grace of Christ - we do not need to "maintain" our own righteousness and thus pervert the gospel of Christ.

Romans 10:2-3 (NASB)
[SUP]2 [/SUP] For I testify about them that they have a zeal for God, but not in accordance with knowledge.

[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.

Yes..."Christ alone" is a thorn in the side of the D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness mindsets. It is really an anti-Christ belief and it is denying the Lord and Master of us all to NOT put your trust in Christ alone for salvation.
 
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What happens when a person believes this way, then reverts to believing that they must do something to be saved? According to hyper grace, since they believed the right way they became the righteousness of GOD. and that can never be taken away from them. So in essence it really doesn't matter how they believe.
It means you will have wasted your life. That should matter to you.
 

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Just shows how fallen some are are from the truth. Makes me wonder if they even read the bible.
​Therefore everyone who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house on the rock. ... And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. Matthew 7:24, 26
The rock that the wise man builds on is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand that the foolish man builds on is self-righteousness. Only those who truly believe in Jesus (Matthew 7:21; John 6:40) are wise and hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them. The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus.
 
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The rock that the wise man builds on is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand that the foolish man builds on is self-righteousness. Only those who truly believe in Jesus (Matthew 7:21; John 6:40) are wise and hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them. The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus.
"properly act on them". I wonder what that means.
 
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The rock that the wise man builds on is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand that the foolish man builds on is self-righteousness. Only those who truly believe in Jesus (Matthew 7:21; John 6:40) are wise and hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them. The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus.
The rock is the wisdom and knowledge that the words are founded upon. It is the solid emotions and consistency of an open truthful loving heart.

The sand is the sinful confused heart that is always changes and going with the next impulse or idea. It has no consistency or power.

It is why so many lives just unravel with problems arise and hard times happen. You see it everywhere is divorce, people living alone and empty, nervous breakdowns etc
 
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Grace alone faith alone Christ alone... code words for a work-phobic gospel.
Not if you understand what grace, faith and Christ does in a person's life.

Our justification is found in Christ work on the cross.

Our sanctification is by grace of God through the leading of the Holy Spirit.

Our faith is a gift from God, we each have a different measure.

All is through God's power and not our own, so no one has grounds to boast.

So in a way it is saying, in God alone I put my trust.
 
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Originally Posted by mailmandan


The rock that the wise man builds on is true righteousness found in Jesus Christ alone. The sand that the foolish man builds on is self-righteousness. Only those who truly believe in Jesus (Matthew 7:21; John 6:40) are wise and hear the words of Jesus and properly act on them. The foolish man twists the words of Jesus and acts on their own self-righteous works system and calls that acting on the words of Jesus.


"properly act on them". I wonder what that means.
You need to get over the hurdle of self-righteousness and believing in Christ's righteousness before you can even begin to see the kingdom of God. Believing in the finished work of Christ for us is to "properly act on them".

HeRose many of us are genuinely concerned over you. We are constantly trying to bring you to trust in the Lord Jesus Christ for your life instead of your self.

2 Corinthians 5:20-21 (NASB)

[SUP]20 [/SUP] Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God were making an appeal through us; we beg you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.

[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him
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Grace alone faith alone Christ alone... code words for a work-phobic gospel.
I wonder how that squares with all the time I have on the mission field and the tens of thousands that have heard the Gospel through these efforts, many of them having heard the Gospel through one-to-one interactions.
Considering that I apparently believe the "anti-doing gospel" what could possibly have been my motivation?
Apparently I should have been sitting on my backside polishing my halo.
 
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What it doesn't mean is that you can save yourself by your "doing".
Abraham, the so-called father of faith, saved himself by obeying (doing) GOD's command of circumcision. If he had not done so, there would have been no covenant of circumcision, subsequently no covenant of law and then no new covenant by which he is saved.
 
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Abraham, the so-called father of faith, saved himself by obeying (doing) GOD's command of circumcision. If he had not done so, there would have been no covenant of circumcision, no covenant of law and no new covenant by which he is saved.
Nonsense. He was saved by Jesus Christ, same as any who is saved is.

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
 
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Abraham, the so-called father of faith, saved himself by obeying (doing) GOD's command of circumcision. If he had not done so, there would have been no covenant of circumcision, subsequently no covenant of law and then no new covenant by which he is saved.
Nonsense!
4 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh?[a] 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? “Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.”[b] 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. (Rom 4:1-4)

Is Paul lying again...or what?
 
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Abraham, the so-called father of faith, saved himself by obeying (doing) GOD's command of circumcision. If he had not done so, there would have been no covenant of circumcision, subsequently no covenant of law and then no new covenant by which he is saved.
No Abraham was saved by faith in the Messiah promise to Adam and Eve in Genesis 3 and repeated here:

*Now the Lord had said to Abram:“Get out of your country,From your familyAnd from your father’s house,To a land that I will show you.*I will make you a great nation;I will bless youAnd make your name great;And you shall be a blessing.*I will bless those who bless you,And I will curse him who curses you;And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.” - Genesis 12:1-3 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis12:1-3&version=NIV

It says Seed not seeds of Abraham was the promise given, who is Jesus.
 
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Nonsense. He was saved by Jesus Christ, same as any who is saved is.

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
That's true, but apart from the new covenant, Jesus saves no one. Abraham looked ahead to it through faith, as all righteous men before it did.
 

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Nonsense. He was saved by Jesus Christ, same as any who is saved is.

"And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.” Acts 4:12
Amen! Romans 4:1 What then shall we say that Abraham our father has found according to the flesh? 2 For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. 3 For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness. 4 Now to him who works, the wages are not counted as grace but as debt. 5 But to him who does not work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted for righteousness, 6 just as David also describes the blessedness of the man to whom God imputes righteousness apart from works: 7 "Blessed are those whose lawless deeds are forgiven, And whose sins are covered; 8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord shall not impute sin." 9 Does this blessedness then come upon the circumcised only, or upon the uncircumcised also? For we say that faith was accounted to Abraham for righteousness. 10 How then was it accounted? While he was circumcised, or uncircumcised? Not while circumcised, but while uncircumcised. 11 And he received the sign of circumcision, a seal of the righteousness of the faith which he had while still uncircumcised, that he might be the father of all those who believe, though they are uncircumcised, that righteousness might be imputed to them also.
 
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*The promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. Scripture does not say “and to seeds,” meaning many people, but “and to your seed,” meaning one person, who is Christ.*What I mean is this: The law, introduced 430 years later, does not set aside the covenant previously established by God and thus do away with the promise.*For if the inheritance depends on the law, then it no longer depends on the promise; but God in his grace gave it to Abraham through a promise. - Galatians 3:16-18 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Galatians3:16-18&version=NIV