Brexit - Do we stay or do we go

[Agricola]

Seriously what is this 37%? You claiming that only 37% of the UK have voted to leave..... RUBBISH! There are people who just do not want to vote and never will. Do you force people to vote? going down dangerous road that. Another point is that why do you assume that all those people who did not vote would have all voted for remain? I know people who wanted out and did not bother voting thinking that it was a lost cause.

At the end of the day we had a democratic process which resulted in a decision to leave the EU-- HURRAH!

 

[Miri]

Just curious then, how does the voting system work in America, so say
if 75% of the population voted and 51% of those voted for Trump to be
the next president would Trump be president?

 

[Agricola]

England had territories all over the world, that is not ruling the world. Many European countries had territories as well, Spanish would won this contest, I would say.

Thousand years? You sure?

Does this look like a few territories to you? It was not that far back we had all this. We were screwed by the EU in not forming trade with our Commenwealth countries, Italy blocked a lot of trade agreements with NewZealand as they were scared we would not buy from them. Spent 9 years trying to set up trading with India, but EU blocked that as well. Now we are free from that and can trade what we like with whom we like. Can not wait to see what we do with India and so on.



Map of British Empire

 

[trofimus]

day-AFTER-vote
most-googled-question-from-uk
what-is-the-EEC?

God-help-us??

I must admit, I googled "what is EEC" after your post

 

[trofimus]

Does this look like a few territories to you? It was not that far back we had all this. We were screwed by the EU in not forming trade with our Commenwealth countries, Italy blocked a lot of trade agreements with NewZealand as they were scared we would not buy from them. Spent 9 years trying to set up trading with India, but EU blocked that as well. Now we are free from that and can trade what we like with whom we like. Can not wait to see what we do with India and so on.

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Map of British Empire

I did not say "few territories". I said they did not rule the world and that almost every "near to sea" European country had territories too. And Spanish/Portugal had more of them, I would say.

And 17th-20th century is not 1000 years.

But it was not the point of my post. My point was that it does not matter now, in a totally different world.

 

[Agricola]

I did not say "few territories". I said they did not rule the world and that almost every "near to sea" European country had territories too. And Spanish/Portugal had more of them, I would say.

And 17th-20th is not 1000 years.

But it was not the point of my post.

What was the point of your post then?

 

[trofimus]

What was the point of your post then?

1. That it is strange how more important decisions that change country for decades have less control mechanisms than any other elections that last for e.g. 10 years only.

2. That the past does not matter now.

Look at Spain or Portugal. Spain is weak and in debts, Portugal is absolutely insignificant internationally. Its an illusion they would be rich again the day they would be out of EU.

The ages when only Europeans had technology and guns and so they could rule the rest of the world are over. There is no reason why would India want to trade with you more then with the rest of EU.

It will not come back and you cant live just from your past, however glorious it was (and I admit it was).

 

[Billyd]

Just one truth I want to point out. US citizens pay attention too. Failure to vote in any election is a vote for the winner regardless of how small the winning margin of voters is. If you don't vote, don't complain.

 

[Agricola]

1. That it is strange how more important decisions that change country for decades have less control mechanisms than any other elections that last for e.g. 10 years only.

2. That the past does not matter now.

Look at Spain or Portugal. Spain is weak and in debts, Portugal is absolutely insignificant internationally. Its an illusion they would be rich again the day they would be out of EU.

The ages when only Europeans had technology and guns and so they could rule the rest of the world are over. There is no reason why would India want to trade with you more then with the rest of EU.


It will not come back and you cant live just from your past, however glorious it was (and I admit it was).

Of course I am not calling for a new Empire. Look at Spain and Portugal, yes, look at them, look at them choke and die from the slow death grip of the EU and Euro. We have bailed numerous countries out with our sterling to help prop up the failed economies, we can now spend those Billions on making our own nation richer again instead of throwing it into a black hole called the EU.


India want to trade with us, plenty of countries do and are now realising the opportunity they have without EU interference. you have no concept of what the Commonwealth stands for and the relationship we have between our nations.

 

[MadParrotWoman]

How do you know it wasn't kids googling "what is the EEC"?

 

[Sinnerman]

Just curious then, how does the voting system work in America, so say
if 75% of the population voted and 51% of those voted for Trump to be
the next president would Trump be president?

Yes, he would be president.

Of all the people eligible to vote in the U.S., approximately 50% go ahead and register to vote. Of that 50%, approximately 50% will actually go and vote. Out of the 50% of the 50% that go vote, less than 50% of them will vote for the republican candidate, and less than 50% will vote for the democrat candidate. The remaining 5-10% vote for independent, libertarian, or fringe candidates. There are close to 330 million people in the U.S. and it will take less than 66 million votes to become President. You can actually get less total votes than the other candidate and still be elected, because you won the majority of electoral votes, awarded to the candidate who wins each individual state.

75% of the U.S. population wouldn't bother to vote if you offered them a steak dinner, a dozen donuts, and a 64 oz. fountain drink to wash it down.

 

[trofimus]

Of course I am not calling for a new Empire. Look at Spain and Portugal, yes, look at them, look at them choke and die from the slow death grip of the EU and Euro. We have bailed numerous countries out with our sterling to help prop up the failed economies, we can now spend those Billions on making our own nation richer again instead of throwing it into a black hole called the EU.


India want to trade with us, plenty of countries do and are now realising the opportunity they have without EU interference. you have no concept of what the Commonwealth stands for and the relationship we have between our nations.

Spain and Portugal dont die from the grip of EU, but because they cannot plunder other countries anymore. Without diamonds, slaves, gold etc from colonies they have nothing to build their economy on. Wine or beaches will not save it. Thats the problem, they are stuck in their past, too, not reflecting the changing world.

Do you really think that for India it is more advantageous to trade with 50 millions of Brits than with 500 millions of EU citizens? Maybe they have some kind of sentiments for the "old colonial masters", I do not know. But I would not count on that... I dont even think that India has something so much interesting to offer for your riches. It is quite a poor country. Free trade with Germany should be much more advantageous for you.

I agree that you are paying quite a lot to EU budget. But you gain a lot of from that too. In science, cooperation, free trade, foreign cheap labor (and yes, you need it), free travel etc. All this will be lost. So the single number of how much you will save on payings to EU budget can be leading astray a little, many things are less visible but still very enriching your life, science, development, education and economy.

 

[Agricola]

Spain and Portugal dont die from the grip of EU, but because they cannot plunder other countries anymore. Without diamonds, slaves, gold etc from colonies they have nothing to build their economy on. Wine or beaches will not save it. Thats the problem, they are stuck in their past, too, not reflecting the changing world.

Do you really think that for India it is more advantageous to trade with 50 millions of Brits than with 500 millions of EU citizens? Maybe they have some kind of sentiments for the "old colonial masters", I do not know. But I would not count on that... I dont even think that India has something so much interesting to offer for your riches. It is quite a poor country. Free trade with Germany should be much more advantageous for you.

I agree that you are paying quite a lot to EU budget. But you gain a lot of from that too. In science, cooperation, free trade, foreign cheap labor (and yes, you need it), free travel etc. All this will be lost. So the single number of how much you will save on payings to EU budget can be leading astray a little, many things are less visible but still very enriching you.

you clearly have no idea.

 

[trofimus]

you clearly have no idea.

You know, most of people voting for the Brexit were older people. Younger wanted to stay.

Maybe its about it... who wants what kind of world to live in, isolated, remembering "how great we once were" or cooperative and new. I think the future will show if it was a good decision for UK or not.

I personally can understand the disenchantment of younger people or "near to 18 years" people or London, that they have to be isolated now because older ones wanted back something that will not come back.

 

[Agricola]

You know, most of people voting for the Brexit were older people. Younger wanted to stay.

Maybe its about it... who wants what kind of world to live in, isolated, remembering "how great we once were" or cooperative and new. I think the future will show if it was a good decision for UK or not.

I personally can understand the disenchantment of younger people or "near to 18 years" people or London, that they have to be isolated now because older ones wanted back something that will not come back.

This is a load of nonsense as well.

Voting to leave EU is not a vote to pull up the drawbridge and stop trading or dealing with the EU. No one is going to be isolated.

I see where you are going now with your other posts. The future is not joining the EU, the EU is dying. It is an evil monster. The reason for voting EXIT is down to 2 things, Regaining our sovereignty so we can make our own laws again and second we get to spend our own money again.

Sovereignty trumps everything.

 

[trofimus]

This is a load of nonsense as well.

Voting to leave EU is not a vote to pull up the drawbridge and stop trading or dealing with the EU. No one is going to be isolated.

I see where you are going now with your other posts. The future is not joining the EU, the EU is dying. It is an evil monster. The reason for voting EXIT is down to 2 things, Regaining our sovereignty so we can make our own laws again and second we get to spend our own money again.

Sovereignty trumps everything.

I wonder if there is some younger UK citizen on this forum that voted for Brexit... so far only people about 50 years old.

EU is in crisis (again). I agree. Lying Greece, lazy Spain, socialist France and Italy and too much powerful Germany. But the future is not in small countries again, one country cannot stand against USA (50 countries together) or Russia/China... There must be some kind of Union in Europe to make Europe strong enough in globalized world.

I dont say that it should look like today's EU. I would say the return before the Lisabon Treaty and return of muslims back to their countries could save it..

 

[trofimus]

BTW, only few people seem to realize this, but English will not be one of the official EU languages anymore

Crap, I dont want to learn German or French...

 

[trofimus]

Sovereignty trumps everything.

So do not be angry if Scotland will say the same to you And Great Britain will become even smaller.

 

[Agricola]

I wonder if there is some younger UK citizen on this forum that voted for Brexit... so far only people about 50 years old.

EU is in crisis (again). I agree. Lying Greece, lazy Spain, socialist France and Italy and too much powerful Germany. But the future is not in small countries again, one country cannot stand against USA (50 countries together) or Russia/China... There must be some kind of Union in Europe to make Europe strong enough in globalized world.

I dont say that it should look like today's EU. I would say the return before the Lisabon Treaty and return of muslims back to their countries could save it..

Stand against the USA you are having a laugh or you genuinely have no idea what so ever about our history and culture and existing alliances on the world stage. I am sure a number of our US posters will put things right for you.

We are not going to be standing alone, we are a founding member of NATO and one of the 5 permanent members of the UN security Council

 

[Agricola]

So do not be angry if Scotland will say the same to you And Great Britain will become even smaller.

More rubbish. Scotland is going no-where and they can not have another referendum again, the EU have not guaranteed them anything and this time around I can see us saying to Scotland you are having nothing, all military bases and industry contracts come south of the border.

Shows how much you do know about our country, if Scotland leave we will not be Great Britain any more as Great Britain consists of Scotland Wales and England. When Northern Ireland came under our control we became the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, or just UK for short.