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M
So what do you think that means? We should begin to approve and promote sexual perversion in the church? Because you have dirty thoughts we surrender the biblical standards we are all called to as Christians? Should we now promote and excuse adultery and fornication, because you have dirty thoughts?
M
So the bible is not true..because we must limit God based on your fleshly desires? I could help you and others like you deal with these issues in a biblical way...but you all seem to think you know it all and are only concerned with restricting others based on your own lack of wisdom and understanding of who Christ is in you and you in Christ. If you are so limited by your flesh? Why try to debate spiritual issues with others as if you have the ability to be spiritual?
U
See, in order to argue his point you had to take a more extreme example to try and be right. He isn't talking about putting yourself in the middle of an environment that is known ahead of time to be packed full of potential temptation. He's simply saying that seeing a woman does not mean you automatically lust. Which is true.
You could say 'try going to a strip club' instead of gym. But gym's and strip clubs don't represent what it's like to be out in public on an average day. Those are places where attractive women are more prone to (or paid to) show off their bodies to get a reaction. It's just a silly, over the top response that people use to twist things to their view, rather than offer more reasonable, thought out and valid arguments to their point. In other words, it's a way to prove your point when your point isn't valid to begin with.
I'm not sure why you would even Want to argue his point. To take the stance that viewing a woman equates to lust would mean that your mother, sister, aunt, grandmother, daughter, etc... cause you to lust. You actually do More damage when you argue against someone stating that looking at women, generally speaking, does not always mean lust.
This is a common BDF tactic, though, so it's no surprise to see a BDFer use it in other areas of the site.
You could say 'try going to a strip club' instead of gym. But gym's and strip clubs don't represent what it's like to be out in public on an average day. Those are places where attractive women are more prone to (or paid to) show off their bodies to get a reaction. It's just a silly, over the top response that people use to twist things to their view, rather than offer more reasonable, thought out and valid arguments to their point. In other words, it's a way to prove your point when your point isn't valid to begin with.
I'm not sure why you would even Want to argue his point. To take the stance that viewing a woman equates to lust would mean that your mother, sister, aunt, grandmother, daughter, etc... cause you to lust. You actually do More damage when you argue against someone stating that looking at women, generally speaking, does not always mean lust.
This is a common BDF tactic, though, so it's no surprise to see a BDFer use it in other areas of the site.
D
Most Christians I know will talk all the time about Scripture and use real code words that make them sound especially sanctified. But you get them in a small group and talk about their lives, and they are so uncomfortable it would be funny if it wasn't sad.
I'm not perfect. I am sorry if me proclaiming that to the world offends so many. I'm sorry, but not sorry, if you know what I mean.
I'm not perfect. I am sorry if me proclaiming that to the world offends so many. I'm sorry, but not sorry, if you know what I mean.
D
Hate to break it to you, guy, but before porn was easily accessible on the internet, adult bookstores sales near Moody Bible Institute quadrupled every year on the week of the pastor's conference. You may be perfect like John MacArthur, but there are plenty of guys in leadership positions that have huge weaknesses. If you consider looking at a girl while working out to be a huge perversion that immediately means someone is incapable of being spiritual, I'd hate to see what you have to say about the masses that look at porn.
No one is perfect. Sinful thoughts may occasionally cross our minds, and I’m not just talking about lust here. There are many sinful things that can cross our minds such as greed, envy, etc. I don’t think that it is a sin because a thought crosses our mind. It’s all in how we deal with those thoughts.
We shouldn’t entertain sinful thoughts and dwell on them, or we will sin. We need to be trained to rebuke those thoughts and pray so that Jesus will strengthen us and purify our minds. There is power in the name of Jesus and he is able to strengthen us and thoroughly cleanse us.
2 Corinthians 10: 3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
I’m a woman so I probably shouldn’t have even commented to start with. It’s not my place to offer advice and instruction here, but I think it would be well worth your effort to listen to some of the men here like Mitspa, WarriorForChrist and some of the others.
We shouldn’t entertain sinful thoughts and dwell on them, or we will sin. We need to be trained to rebuke those thoughts and pray so that Jesus will strengthen us and purify our minds. There is power in the name of Jesus and he is able to strengthen us and thoroughly cleanse us.
2 Corinthians 10: 3-5
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh:
4 (For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
I’m a woman so I probably shouldn’t have even commented to start with. It’s not my place to offer advice and instruction here, but I think it would be well worth your effort to listen to some of the men here like Mitspa, WarriorForChrist and some of the others.
V
My apologies then. I missed the questions about it. I don't think an active gay person is keeping New Testament biblical standards. Can a gay person minister? I'm not sure honestly. I know I've sinned, perpetually, but have done my best to share the gospel with my unbelieving brothers and sisters. Granted, when I realize I am in error, I do strive to stop my act.
K
We fail as Christians,thats not the issue. Living a sinful lifestyle continuously and refusing to heed rebuke,that is the issue. Should Jimmy Swaggart have stayed in ministry? No! He was living a sinful lifestyle. Now if he stepped down,took counseling {which he refused to do} and got right with the Lord,I'd have no problem with him being in ministry after the appropriate time off. But continuing in a sinful lifestyle,no,the OP should not be in ministry.
I say this respectfully,
Your point is like saying I smoked dope and did not expect to get high. IF you go to place where as you say " work out at a gym with all sexy women in spandex walking around and report back'
you have placed your self in that environment and if you fully know going to place where women dress like that then you should not go. It was your choice to go to a place like that. your fault. it would be foolish to think one who is a man would not be tempted at a location like that lol The bible says how can you hold fire and think you would not be burnt? again maybe working out was not the intention to begin with.
Your point is like saying I smoked dope and did not expect to get high. IF you go to place where as you say " work out at a gym with all sexy women in spandex walking around and report back'
you have placed your self in that environment and if you fully know going to place where women dress like that then you should not go. It was your choice to go to a place like that. your fault. it would be foolish to think one who is a man would not be tempted at a location like that lol The bible says how can you hold fire and think you would not be burnt? again maybe working out was not the intention to begin with.