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So were no one saved in the OT ? Was there no grace ? Was there no people who walked upright and righteously and kept the commandments of God ? If they did their part, God would do the rest. The sacrifice of Christ was already a promise. Did not many men walk blamelessly in He's ways in the old testament ? Does that mean they never sinned one time ? No. It meant they kept the commandments and obeyed them with all their heart and met the requirement of the Law when they fell short. They did not turn away from God and He's ways.
Grace has always been available. God has always been full of grace and mercy and long suffering. Obedience is faith being put into action. You are doomed if you turn away from Gods commandments and do your own thing. God is not mocked. He is not a respecter of persons. What so ever you sow that shall you reap. And what so ever sin you don't repent from you will be judged by. And except your righteousness shall exceed that of the scribes and Pharisees you will not enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Only God is perfect all the time. But we can walk before him and be perfect when not sinning, and meeting He's requirement when we fall short.
"Just because we don't sacrifice animals . . . "
"Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven."
Uh oh . . . .
It doesn't matter, you've already omitted 'God's will' according to your own theology by not sacrificing animals. It's all Law (the jots and tittles are all included in the comprehensive unit of the Law), or it's all Grace - a mixing of the two results in a fruitless, confused, existence.
-JGIG
Nope.
We have a high priest, Christ Jesus, who is ministering in the heavenly tabernacle which is made in the manner as the earthly tabernacle. That is why the new testament is based upon faith.
No commandments is omitted. The animal sacrificial commandments are just no longer in use because we have a better promise through faith which is what the new testament is based upon. Where do you think all the sins written about comes from ? It is there because it is already written in the Law what is sin. If you omit the law then you can do what ever you want, like the satanists preach: "Do what thou wilt". This is why there is so much division in the apostate christian religions.
We have a high priest, Christ Jesus, who is ministering in the heavenly tabernacle which is made in the manner as the earthly tabernacle. That is why the new testament is based upon faith.
No commandments is omitted. The animal sacrificial commandments are just no longer in use because we have a better promise through faith which is what the new testament is based upon. Where do you think all the sins written about comes from ? It is there because it is already written in the Law what is sin. If you omit the law then you can do what ever you want, like the satanists preach: "Do what thou wilt". This is why there is so much division in the apostate christian religions.
The priestly order of Melchizedec which is the order Christ is high priest was established before the Levitical priesthood. Also Levi paid tithes to Melchizedec through the loins of Abraham. Also Christ is high priest in the heavenly tabernacle not the earthly tabernacle of which the Levites was assigned.
Jesus Christ does not minister in the heavenly tabernacle according to the Law; He is of the wrong tribe.
So nothing is omitted except the parts that are no longer there?
Really? That's what you're going with?
I agree that we have a better covenant based on better promises, but that is the New Covenant, with Christ as its Perfect, Permanent, High Priest, not the Old.
And the New Covenant is not based on our faith, it's based IN WHOM we PUT our faith!
The Law absolutely still points sin out to mankind - and then points them to Christ. Christ does not in turn point believers to the Law. That's counterproductive since the Law stirs up sinning and is a ministry of death, and produces no godly fruit.
-JGIG
What is the reason of hell ? And why was it made ? It was made because of rebellion and transgression. The damnation of hell is for unrepentant sinners who do not know Christ and neither follow him.
According to the gospel the Pharisees omitted almost the entire law. So yes I would say that. I am in the body of Christ and am obedient to the commandments.
According to the gospel the Pharisees omitted almost the entire law. So yes I would say that. I am in the body of Christ and am obedient to the commandments.
H
If you study the way Grace is used in some verses you'll find out that Grace is also God empowerment to fulfill His requirements.. of the law.. Mat 13:52 Jesus clearly points out that we should refer to the law and so do the Apostles in acts..
NT Grace is not a cover all so you can get in no matter what.. Otherwise we would need no scriptures that list things that disqualify.. Those epistles were written to believers not the UN..
NT Grace is not a cover all so you can get in no matter what.. Otherwise we would need no scriptures that list things that disqualify.. Those epistles were written to believers not the UN..
Christ does point people to the Law (Matt 5:17-20). Christ commands us to obey the law and to teach others to obey the law. Jesus Christ is serving in the heavenly tabernacle:
Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.The New Covenant7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The new covenant is through faith and He puts the entire Law of God into our hearts operating through faith instead of animal sacrifice when we receive the baptism of the Spirit which is the new covenant. Sin is the transgression of the Law(Torah) 1 John 3:4.
Hebrews 8:1 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law: 5Who serve unto the example and shadow of heavenly things, as Moses was admonished of God when he was about to make the tabernacle: for, See, saith he, that thou make all things according to the pattern shewed to thee in the mount. 6But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.The New Covenant7For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:11And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.12For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.13In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
The new covenant is through faith and He puts the entire Law of God into our hearts operating through faith instead of animal sacrifice when we receive the baptism of the Spirit which is the new covenant. Sin is the transgression of the Law(Torah) 1 John 3:4.