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This is what threw me from what Cee was posting.
I agree that we can walk in righteousness and purity, blamelessly before the Lord as His Holy people.
I was looking for clarification of this position, because it is what I have been arguing for months, and EG has opposed tooth and nail.
This is why I get jumpy and wonder what they are actually saying.
I think the sub text is if you are trying to be Holy you are actually sinning.
Not being holy was your old nature in sin.
What a lot of people then say most of everyday they are walking in their old nature
sinning, serving self, so though it appears they are saying they could walk righteously
they are not actually.
This is why I call this deceptive. A whole page about how fantastic it all is, and then
oops, it is all about being in the Son which we are so bad at.
It gets away from discipleship, transformation, obedience, working through issues with the Lord.
Also they regard the position I hold as evil, from satan, legalism, the hypocracy of the pharisees.
They will say I am blind to accepting total salvation through Christ with no conditions and so am
lost.
So nothing is quite as it seems.
I agree that we can walk in righteousness and purity, blamelessly before the Lord as His Holy people.
I was looking for clarification of this position, because it is what I have been arguing for months, and EG has opposed tooth and nail.
This is why I get jumpy and wonder what they are actually saying.
I think the sub text is if you are trying to be Holy you are actually sinning.
Not being holy was your old nature in sin.
What a lot of people then say most of everyday they are walking in their old nature
sinning, serving self, so though it appears they are saying they could walk righteously
they are not actually.
This is why I call this deceptive. A whole page about how fantastic it all is, and then
oops, it is all about being in the Son which we are so bad at.
It gets away from discipleship, transformation, obedience, working through issues with the Lord.
Also they regard the position I hold as evil, from satan, legalism, the hypocracy of the pharisees.
They will say I am blind to accepting total salvation through Christ with no conditions and so am
lost.
So nothing is quite as it seems.
L
amen!
yes, & scripture says God's grace is no ordinary grace --
And the grace of our Lord was exceeding abundant with faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.
(1 Timothy 1:14)
(1 Timothy 1:14)
i can testify of the same!
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welcome to the website Lauren!
hi;
i'm post, and i'll be your mathematician & general all-around weirdo.
I know we'll get along
I'm not that good in math (my husband believes that is why I married him. He's really good)
don't mind weirdo and have been called much worse myself
cheers
Amen...Here is how I view obedience and the believer in the grace of Christ for our life.
Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.
It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love".
We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.
When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.
I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us.
Teach and preach who believers are in Christ and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.
Obedience to me is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man. It is not the root. It's the love of God and the life of Christ manifesting Himself in and through us to a hurt and dying world and to our fellow brethren.
It is not necessarily something "we do to be" but stems from something we "already are now" in Him and so we "do love".
We obey our Lord and Father because we know Him and trust in His character and obedience is not a set of rules that we follow, but a natural flow of the life of God in us built on a love-trust relationship. When you know the love of God for us we will obey Him naturally and effortlessly.
When our minds are renewed to the truth that is in Christ - we obey from our hearts effortlessly. It's a fruit of being in Christ.
I maintain that obedience is a fruit of the life of Christ in our inner man that is created in Christ. When we teach the grace of God this enables us to bear His fruit in and through us.
Teach and preach who believers are in Christ and they will "awake to righteousness" that is in them because they are a new creation in Him and sin not and walk in the good works that God has prepared for them.
L
yes of course words matter and that is why we should try hard to understand and ask questions to be sure that we do
well here is a case in point. tell me differently, but if we agree with God, shouldn't we turn from sin anyway? is that what is meant?
well some may say that but I certainly don't. if we do turn from sin (and this can be process, yes?) when we are saved, then we are agreeing that the law is good but I don't see how we can keep it as it seems scripture states that no one can keep it
My understanding is that Jesus fulfilled the law. That is, the law is not done away with, but its' requirements are met by Jesus in His death as the sinless Son of God. Therefore, we accept His sacrifice and His righteousness is imputed to us who are not righteous and cannot keep the law
I would never say we continue in sin. Believe me! If I am sharp (I'm impatient by nature) I will feel the need to apologize to correct that. Even so, I would not do so if it were not for Christ
well here is a case in point. tell me differently, but if we agree with God, shouldn't we turn from sin anyway? is that what is meant?
well some may say that but I certainly don't. if we do turn from sin (and this can be process, yes?) when we are saved, then we are agreeing that the law is good but I don't see how we can keep it as it seems scripture states that no one can keep it
My understanding is that Jesus fulfilled the law. That is, the law is not done away with, but its' requirements are met by Jesus in His death as the sinless Son of God. Therefore, we accept His sacrifice and His righteousness is imputed to us who are not righteous and cannot keep the law
I would never say we continue in sin. Believe me! If I am sharp (I'm impatient by nature) I will feel the need to apologize to correct that. Even so, I would not do so if it were not for Christ
I did not know constructs of my mind are of no value. Ofcourse you do not agree.
These conclusions are basically agreed across the evangelical church.
It is why your group feel so got at. And it is the grace group who started this battle.
It is little wonder as you take various heretical positions, and insist you have the
spiritual high ground and we are legalists who are not saved.
You have tried telling me you think I am born again line but I have not bought this
for so long. When picked up about your teaching you just deny it and carry on.
So you have your "lenses" which dictates everything to you given to you by God.
I do not doubt one day you will discover where those lenses came from and it will
not be a nice experience.
These conclusions are basically agreed across the evangelical church.
It is why your group feel so got at. And it is the grace group who started this battle.
It is little wonder as you take various heretical positions, and insist you have the
spiritual high ground and we are legalists who are not saved.
You have tried telling me you think I am born again line but I have not bought this
for so long. When picked up about your teaching you just deny it and carry on.
So you have your "lenses" which dictates everything to you given to you by God.
I do not doubt one day you will discover where those lenses came from and it will
not be a nice experience.
Matthew 23:12
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
James 4:7-10
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
Whoever exalts himself will be humbled, and whoever humbles himself will be exalted.
James 4:7-10
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. 8Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded. 9Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness. 10Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
1 Peter 5:6
Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:
B
I appreciate what you are saying and it goes a long way to understanding your view indeed. I do know how little people trust in the beginning of relationships, why people do this partly because sometimes people use their past relationships for a reference point on how to trust in the future but it's better for peace of mind and commoderie too be beyond this and trust for people don't know the future outcome and reasoning of its purpose.
In the scriptures on Adam and Eve they had little trust in what God said "eat from any tree just not that one". For he alone knows the outcome the future and a lot of times people couldn't bare the truth anyways. But Adam n Eve forgot to trust and ignored his word and turned from that into trusting something else their will and reasoning. True Adam n Eve were tempted but it was their will and reasoning that got them feeling naked and ashamed.
In the scriptures on Adam and Eve they had little trust in what God said "eat from any tree just not that one". For he alone knows the outcome the future and a lot of times people couldn't bare the truth anyways. But Adam n Eve forgot to trust and ignored his word and turned from that into trusting something else their will and reasoning. True Adam n Eve were tempted but it was their will and reasoning that got them feeling naked and ashamed.