Test_F_i_2_Luv: 1) Lev 20:10 states that both adulterers are to be put to death. Where's the man that was involved with the woman? Notice in John 8 that only the adulterous woman is brought to Jesus. The text of John 8 itself also states that the Pharisees were trying to trap Jesus. In short, the situation presented didn't fit the requirements of the death penalty.
Voldemort: Why doesn't this fit the requirement for death... because the man wasn't present? If an adulterer fled then they let the other adulterer live because both have to die? Both parties are to die according to the Law of Moses, but Christ forgives all sin. That is why she wasn't put to death. Only those without sin can cast a stone, yet Christ (sinless), didn't execute her but dismissed her.
If an adulterer fled then they let the other adulterer live because both have to die? It takes 2 people to commit adultery. There will not be just one guilty party. You should be glad that this situation went as it did. Inadequate evidence, per O.T. law, protected the woman from capital punishment.
Both parties are to die according to the Law of Moses Correct. So where is this other party? Why didn't they find the man and then bring both before Jesus? Some suggest the man caught in the act was allowed to go. Regardless, as the text itself indicates, this whole situation was a trap(v. 6) - not your "typical" case of two people being caught in an act of adultery - and that is enough to tell me that additional care needs to be used in applying this passage in a justice system.
but Christ forgives all sin. That is why she wasn't put to death. Only those without sin can cast a stone, yet Christ (sinless), didn't execute her but dismissed her. Yes, he dismissed her. Yet, proponents of the death penalty don't advocate that criminals be released and their crimes dismissed.
Only those without sin can cast a stone Do you know someone who can cast the first stone? I dare say nobody can cast any stones if one is to use this passage in opposition to the death penalty. Who is able to punish a criminal when all - private citizen or government official - is not without sin?
The situation presented by the Pharisees was a trap(v. 6). Sufficient evidence wasn't presented to Jesus. It doesn't work in opposition to the death penalty. For one, it doesn't fit. Secondly, complete application of the passage would mean letting criminals go without any punishment because nobody can cast stones and because criminals should simply be told to "go, and sin no more".
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Voldemort: I don't read John 8 as a precedent set by Jesus to "let all capital offenders go." I instead read John 8 as Christ, being sinless, forgives His children for their sins. Christ can forgive and/or punish His children and the government can do their own punishment in conjunction. The real question is, should man model their punishment system after the Old Covenant precedents, or the New Covenant Christ brought?
I don't read John 8 as a precedent set by Jesus to "let all capital offenders go." ....Christ can forgive and/or punish His children and the government can do their own punishment in conjunction. Opponents of the death penalty who choose to use John 8 should be petitioning governments to let criminals go without punishments. Rather than cherry-picking the text, as some do, the whole text should be emphasized. The text concludes by stating the woman accused of adultery was not only not stoned, she was set free.
The real question is, should man model their punishment system after the Old Covenant precedents, or the New Covenant Christ brought? Since I don't agree that the death penalty was abolished, the question in not applicable to me.
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I'm going back to the topic of the thread: Could I vote for a democrat?
I don't often vote deathocrat.
Few are pro-life...except when it comes to capital punishment for those determined to be guilty of heinous crimes. Then they are pro-life.
Be unborn...unable to speak for yourself...unable to defend yourself...not guilty of a crime...97%-98% of the time a result of intended sexual decisions...you must - by deathocrat standards - die!