Muslim Religion

[Yeraza_Bats]

[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale (GREEN) horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

Actually, Muhammad himself apparently said that "green is the color of Islam", because it was a "universal color".

Many flags used by Islamic terrorist groups use that color. Even the shada they wear on their foreheads are often green.

 

[kaylagrl]

Are you sure you didn't dream up that story? It sounds kinda imaginary but I'll take your word that it is so.

As for peas, no but I did have some mushrooms on my combo platter dinner and it was yummy beyond words.




By the way, how many Muslims have been killed by foreign imperialists today? Did they have a comment on that, by any chance??

Here's the TRUE History of Islam's Violence | The Federalist Papers

 

[kaylagrl]

Hi, I did not see your question until now.

I cannot answer that, as I haven't properly studied it. The concept of 'rights' is perhaps not the correct scriptural idea here though.

I can tell you that the notion of a return to an Israelite Homeland was repudiated by most Rabbis in the 19th & 20th Century, who believed a return to Israel was only permissible by divine mandate - not by human will.

The blood thirsty nation known as Israel that we see in the Middle East is attributed by Dr Stephen Jones (Gods Kingdom Ministries) to the Lord working out his promises to Esau (Edom).

What I can tell you with absolute assuredness is that God's will for all Jews is to accept Jesus. This can be done anywhere anytime, and does not require a parcel of real estate in the Middle East.

Paul totally repudiated the notion of Jewish supremacy. It is a vile notion. I speak as a jew in the flesh.

Quote "I can tell you that the notion of a return to an Israelite Homeland was repudiated by most Rabbis in the 19th & 20th Century"

The OT would disagree. Plenty of verses on Israel returning to its homeland, and yes, it is Gods doing.


Quote "The blood thirsty nation known as Israel "

How's that? Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. They exchanged land for peace. Why would you say this?


Quote "What I can tell you with absolute assuredness is that God's will for all Jews is to accept Jesus. This can be done anywhere anytime"

I totally agree.


Quote " and does not require a parcel of real estate in the Middle East."

But it does,it was promised to them and God does not take back His promises.


Quote "Paul totally repudiated the notion of Jewish supremacy."

Then that would put Paul at odds with what God said and His will for Israel.


Quote " It is a vile notion."

Its Gods notion, you better study a little deeper.

Quote "I speak as a jew in the flesh."

But you don't speak for God. The Bible is very clear about how God feels about the Jewish people, the apple of His eye. This has never changed.

 

[kaylagrl]

The middle east is being ethnically cleansed. The resultant mess is then being exported to Europe.


Unworthy victims: Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990 | Middle East Eye

[h=1]Muslims killing Muslims in droves, but Israel and Westerners get condemned[/h]

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2016/06/...roves-but-israel-and-westerners-get-condemned

 

[kaylagrl]

Europe historically has been Christian, and was the area predominantly settled by the tribes of Israel. The British for instance throughout their history knew that they were descended from the tribes of Israel. When King Henry VIII abolished the monasteries, a lot of records were destroyed, but the real damage was done by the Victorians, who obliterated our real historical identity. The logical place for the tribes of Judah and Levi in the last 2000 years is Europe, with the other tribes. All they needed to do was serve the Lord, and they would fit in fine. The problems start when, unlike the rest of the tribes, they repudiate Christ, and embrace Judaism.......

Quote "The problems start when, unlike the rest of the tribes, they repudiate Christ, and embrace Judaism."

Why should a Jew not be allowed to practice Judaism? Every other religion is practiced, why should the Jews try to "fit in"?
Thats the secular point. Biblically we know why some of the Jews have rejected Christ and we know how they will be saved,at least a remnant,though some believe all will be saved. Christians should be the most understanding of the Jews,but many are not. Much of the persecution of the Jews has come from "Christians" and one day they will answer for it.

 

[Utah]

You write very nice words of Truth. One thing to always bear in mind is that Jesus condemned the Pharisees more than any other group. Pharisees were the religious hypocrites of their day - do goodies in their own little minds but full of hate, double standards, self righteousness, and projections of their sins unto others.

As Jesus taught, one may proclaim themselves a "Christian". But if they harbor hate and are judgmental then they are not true Christians as they will learn on the Judgment Day.

No doubt Jesus commands us to love, but Jesus also teaches us that whoever has faith in Him will bypass judgment and have everlasting life. Funny how that works. Jesus' love and saving grace trumps your inaccurate scare tactics. Try again.

 

[Utah]

The middle east is being ethnically cleansed. The resultant mess is then being exported to Europe.


Unworthy victims: Western wars have killed four million Muslims since 1990 | Middle East Eye

So then what you're saying is it's our Muslim President, Obama, that's currently ethnically cleansing the Middle East and not our Christian former President, Bush. Yep, I was right about you.

 

[JosephsDreams]

First Seal: Muhammad (632 AD)

Rev 6: [SUP]2 [/SUP]And I looked, and behold, a white horse. He who sat on it had a bow; and a crown was given to him, and he went out conquering and to conquer.

Muhammad was a warrior. He conquered Medina and Mecca, destroyed the idols in Mecca and established ISLAM, which is Mystery Babylon, the Great Harlot religion of the earth. Muhammad rode a white "horse" like creature to Jerusalem then to Heaven, called Buraq. The Kaaba, in Mecca is Allah's (Satan's) temple. It's chief cornerstone is the Kaaba Stone, a black meteor fallen from the sky (Christians are given a white stone, Rev 2:17).

When Islamic worship music is played (5 times a day based on the position of the sun) all Muslims must fall down, face Mecca (the Image) and worship just as in the original Babylonian days of Daniel 3. Christians are taught to "love thine enemies." Muslims are taught to "kill the infidel."


Second Seal: Ottoman Empire, 50 million Christians killed

[SUP]3[/SUP]When He opened the second seal, I heard the second living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]4 [/SUP]Another horse, fiery red, went out. And it was granted to the one who sat on it to take peace from the earth, and that people should kill one another; and there was given to him a great sword.

The official color of the Ottoman empire was red. The Ottoman Empire's symbol (as today) is the crescent moon and star. We are commanded not to serve anything from the heavens (Exo 20:4). The Ottomans killed 1.75 million Christian Greeks from 1914 to 1922 and up to 3 million Armenian Christians from 1894 to 1922 alone. The Ottoman Empire was the 7th head of the Beast which was mortally wounded, yet lived and returns.


Third Seal: Income Inequality in Muslim World

[SUP]5 [/SUP]When He opened the third seal, I heard the third living creature say, “Come and see.” So I looked, and behold, a black horse, and he who sat on it had a pair of scales in his hand. [SUP]6 [/SUP]And I heard a voice in the midst of the four living creatures saying, “A quart of wheat for a denarius, and three quarts of barley for a denarius; and do not harm the oil and the wine.”

Arab kings are filthy rich while their people are the poorest on earth. The 10 richest Arabs/Muslims are worth between $3.4B and $22.6B each!! The top 57 Muslim countries make up 1.4 billion people and yet their combined GDP is less than that of Germany. They have 22% of the world's population but less than 5% of its wealth. 1 in 5 Arabs/Muslims live on less than $2 per day. The planet’s poorest countries include Ethiopia, Sierra Leone, Afghanistan, Cambodia, Somalia, Nigeria, Pakistan and Mozambique. At least six of the poorest of the poor are countries with a Muslim majority.


Fourth Seal: Jihadists

[SUP]7 [/SUP]When He opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature saying, “Come and see.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]So I looked, and behold, a pale (GREEN) horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth.

The Horse is really "Green" (CHLOROS translated green everywhere else in the Bible), not pale. Green represents "Paradise" in Islam. Where do Jihadists think they go when the die in a terrorist act? Paradise to receive their 72 virgins. What are we told really follows them???? Death (both spiritual and physical) and Hades. How do they kill? By the sword (war), starvation, disease and by nations which sponsor terror (beasts of the earth).


Fifth Seal: Result of Islam, the Martyrs

[SUP]9 [/SUP]When He opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony which they held. [SUP]10 [/SUP]And they cried with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You judge and avenge our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” [SUP]11 [/SUP]Then a white robe was given to each of them; and it was said to them that they should rest a little while longer, until both the number of their fellow servants and their brethren, who would be killed as they were, was completed.

The result of Islam is a huge population of martyrs in heaven awaiting revenge.


Sixth Seal: Christ revealed from Heaven

[SUP]12 [/SUP]I looked when He opened the sixth seal, and behold, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became like blood. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the stars of heaven fell to the earth, as a fig tree drops its late figs when it is shaken by a mighty wind. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Then the sky receded as a scroll when it is rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved out of its place. [SUP]15 [/SUP]And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains, [SUP]16 [/SUP]and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! [SUP]17 [/SUP]For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand?”


Saudi Arabia alone has over 1 million slaves. Jihadists routinely forces women to become sex slaves. Muslims have the most literal kings of any religion by far. There are plenty of mountains, rocks and caves in the middle east to hide. Paul teaches when the revenge comes to those who have been killing God's people in 2 Thes 1:6-10).

Wow. Excellent post. That encapsulates well. Thank you.

And BTW, what hedonistic maniac has the inclination, much less the energy, for 72 virgins??

 

[kaylagrl]

Wow. Excellent post. That encapsulates well. Thank you.

And BTW, what hedonistic maniac has the inclination, much less the energy, for 72 virgins??

Ha! That reminds me of my parents. My father use to tease my mother that when they were married 40 years he was going to trade her in for two twenty {year olds} To which my mother quipped "you're not wired for 220."

 

[PlainWord]

Actually, Muhammad himself apparently said that "green is the color of Islam", because it was a "universal color".

Many flags used by Islamic terrorist groups use that color. Even the shada they wear on their foreheads are often green.

Green is the official color of Islam, you are correct. When I was in Jerusalem last year my wife and I hired a Muslim tour guide just to take us around on the Temple Mount. He of course tried to convert us which is fine because I had a ton of questions for him. One of the things we discussed was the color "green." I asked him why the doors of the mosque and Dome of the Rock were painted green and he told me because it represents paradise as well as the official color of Islam.

The Bible translators could not imagine a green horse so they went with the secondary translation for Chloros which is "pale." But they used green everywhere else such as the green grass of Rev 8. Clearly it is a green horse and clearly this horse represents ISLAMIC Jihad. It fits perfectly.

 

[kaylagrl]

Green is the official color of Islam, you are correct. When I was in Jerusalem last year my wife and I hired a Muslim tour guide just to take us around on the Temple Mount. He of course tried to convert us which is fine because I had a ton of questions for him. One of the things we discussed was the color "green." I asked him why the doors of the mosque and Dome of the Rock were painted green and he told me because it represents paradise as well as the official color of Islam.

The Bible translators could not imagine a green horse so they went with the secondary translation for Chloros which is "pale." But they used green everywhere else such as the green grass of Rev 8. Clearly it is a green horse and clearly this horse represents ISLAMIC Jihad. It fits perfectly.

Very interesting information. I didn't know this before but now that I think about it,green is a theme running through Islam.

 

[PlainWord]

Wow. Excellent post. That encapsulates well. Thank you.

And BTW, what hedonistic maniac has the inclination, much less the energy, for 72 virgins??

Thanks for your kind words. Been studying this for awhile. All Muslims are allowed 4 wives at a time now. Muhammad had far more including taking the wife of his adopted son. To do that he had to make adoption illegal which it still is in many Muslim nations.

As for the 72 virgins, what a joke to believe such a thing, to blow oneself up for a promise like that. Death and Hades are what follows a Jihadist. Satan is a murder and a liar. He kills his own with pleasure. What great deception they have as Paul teaches, to believe the lie and receive the strong delusion.

 

[PlainWord]

Very interesting information. I didn't know this before but now that I think about it,green is a theme running through Islam.

Thanks. Revelation is a study in contrasts. Islam is present throughout. Nothing upsets God more than the worship of false god(s). Our true God is a jealous God.

 

[ZEEK]

Can you scripturally support any of your arguments, or do you just regurgitate Zionist nonsense, and then pat yourself on the back? Paul does not allow women to teach, and for a good reason. You are spewing nonsense my dear.

Quote "I can tell you that the notion of a return to an Israelite Homeland was repudiated by most Rabbis in the 19th & 20th Century"

The OT would disagree. Plenty of verses on Israel returning to its homeland, and yes, it is Gods doing.


Quote "The blood thirsty nation known as Israel "

How's that? Israel is the only democracy in the Middle East. They exchanged land for peace. Why would you say this?


Quote "What I can tell you with absolute assuredness is that God's will for all Jews is to accept Jesus. This can be done anywhere anytime"

I totally agree.


Quote " and does not require a parcel of real estate in the Middle East."

But it does,it was promised to them and God does not take back His promises.


Quote "Paul totally repudiated the notion of Jewish supremacy."

Then that would put Paul at odds with what God said and His will for Israel.


Quote " It is a vile notion."

Its Gods notion, you better study a little deeper.

Quote "I speak as a jew in the flesh."

But you don't speak for God. The Bible is very clear about how God feels about the Jewish people, the apple of His eye. This has never changed.

 

[ZEEK]

I am afraid you have laid your colours bare. I got in trouble for criticising Americans, but I am afraid these kinds of degenerate arguments always come from the mouths of Americans.

Time has really run out for America now, so there is no point my arguing with it. Judgement will come, the lights will go out, and you'll learn the hard way.

Why on earth would you want any religion other than Christianity practiced in your country?

Do you not understand that Judaism is anti-christianity, and involves many unbiblical practices. I almost feel sorry for you. I guess your dog loves you.

Quote "The problems start when, unlike the rest of the tribes, they repudiate Christ, and embrace Judaism."

Why should a Jew not be allowed to practice Judaism? Every other religion is practiced, why should the Jews try to "fit in"?
Thats the secular point. Biblically we know why some of the Jews have rejected Christ and we know how they will be saved,at least a remnant,though some believe all will be saved. Christians should be the most understanding of the Jews,but many are not. Much of the persecution of the Jews has come from "Christians" and one day they will answer for it.

 

[JosephsDreams]

Can you scripturally support any of your arguments, or do you just regurgitate Zionist nonsense, and then pat yourself on the back? Paul does not allow women to teach, and for a good reason. You are spewing nonsense my dear.

There has been a lot of debate on this site, specifically on the bible discussion forum, about if woman should be allowed to teach or not, and what exactly was Paul saying and how it related the situation he was referring to anf the times he lived in. Suffice to say, while your certainly entitled to your interpretation, many would take issue with you and could put forth a good argument.

 

[peacenik]

I didn't dream it up. Maybe you think I did because that is your style? Or maybe you don't believe in God's divine timing and appointments. Or maybe your just naturally cynical. I don't know...
You can even (mostly) verify it. Contact First United Methodist Church in downtown Burlington.
I'll even provide you with their website:
First United Methodist Church of Burlington , VT | A Worshipping Community, Walking in the Way of Jesus, Believing in Place
They had a food drive yesterday. These three Muslim men saw me handing out tracts and asked me if I knew of any homeless or hungry people who needed food or clothing and if I could spread the word around since I was talking to a lot of people. They said the church was offering this all day long yesterday.
Don't ask me why or how these three Muslim men got involved in this, I did not ask them that.
Call the church and ask them if they had a food drive yesterday, and if they had sent out or knew of any Muslim men that were spreading the word around Church Street Market Place and by the City Hall Park. Of course that won't verify that I actually met with them or had that conversation, but it goes a long way to proving I did not "dream up that story". Maybe you can even get their contact info and ask them yourself. Then you'll see I spoke the truth. I actually deal in facts. Then you can retract your dream statement.
Here is the link to that area, in case you think I am dreaming that up also.
Church Street Marketplace | Burlington, Vermont

I checked your links but saw nothing there about Muslims handing out tracts. In fact, Muslims I have spoken to over the years have told me their religion does not hand out tracts as they do not proselytize. But if you insist such a story is not in your imagination, so be it.

 

[peacenik]

Here's the TRUE History of Islam's Violence | The Federalist Papers

The same nonsense that has already been fully discredited.

Try again.

 

[peacenik]

No doubt Jesus commands us to love, but Jesus also teaches us that whoever has faith in Him will bypass judgment and have everlasting life. Funny how that works. Jesus' love and saving grace trumps your inaccurate scare tactics. Try again.

Save the lesson for the right wingers on this forum who love war and commit it in the name of the Prince of Peace.

 

[peacenik]

I think you missed the "Jesus is the only name by which we can be saved" bit in his post there.

Also I think your own pride is blinding you from what you are actually saying here. I would point it out to you, but I have already done so many times.

But I would like to point out again that I do not believe peacenik follows the word of God, but the word of the "progressive" left media, I remember how I painted Christ back in those days. Putting all the emphasis on the "dont judge" part of the bible without actually understanding what it means when people called me out on my sinful life. Its not that He doesnt want us to warn the world to repent and come to Him (thats literally what He did while He was here, He warned of hell, He warned man to repent, and He warned us He was the only way to God), He was telling us not to condemn our brothers when we have already condemned ourselves.

But that doesnt make it wrong to tell people the truth, if you do not come to Christ, you will die.

Sadly, peacenik seems to have that secular belief, everyones really a good person deep down, and if there is a God He will save them due to their good intentions. He has already stated that "We will know whether or not the Muslims will be saved in the end", completely ignoring the word of God, that we are all dead in our sins, and that Christ gave His life for them.

He does not rely on the word of God here.

Yeraza, like so many far right pro war types succumb to the delusion that is right wing political correctness. Funny how they are so pro war, hate Muslims so much by wishing to make war on them, and fail to accept God's teaching that combat is not necessary in order to win a conflict as I have pointed out previously. On that basis all these pro war right wingers are not fit to be called Christian as well. Little do they realize that truth as 'If you obey every law except one, you are still guilty of breaking them all'' - James 2:10.




Interestingly, Yeraza continues to insist that, somehow, I do not acknowledge Jesus as Messiah. Yet nowhere has he pointed out that I have made such a suggestion. Somehow he feels free to sit in judgment of others while ignoring biblical commandments against such indiscretions (Matt 7:1). He certainly is not obeying the Law but must be under the influence of the right wing television evangelists whose warped views of the Bible have been discredited multiple times. But if that is the life he chooses to live, so be it.







'' There is a way that seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death'' ~ Proverbs 14:12