Matthew 7:21-23
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16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
Gal 5
excellent verses. however, let's study!! if you are truly walking in the Spirit, this is what Shaul says in Romans:
For to be carnally minded
[is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
For to be carnally minded
[is] death; but to be spiritually minded [is] life and peace. Because the carnal mind [is] enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
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21 [FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Gal 3[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]See that? The law now takes a backs seat to the NT.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]We have received life through the work of Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]That was what the law could not do.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]Gal 3[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]See that? The law now takes a backs seat to the NT.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]We have received life through the work of Christ.[/FONT]
[FONT=Helvetica Neue, Verdana, Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif]That was what the law could not do.[/FONT]
The observance of those works of the law are not how we are saved nor is salvation maintained by them. Regarding the Sabbath:
"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
I thank God that Jesus has freed us from the curse of the law. As Peter put it, why do you put on the necks of the disciples a yoke (law of Moses) that neither we nor our ancestors were able to bear?
It seems to me that, not only did Israel stumble over the stumbling stone, but Gentiles, such as yourself, have also stumbled over that same stone.
"One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind."
I thank God that Jesus has freed us from the curse of the law. As Peter put it, why do you put on the necks of the disciples a yoke (law of Moses) that neither we nor our ancestors were able to bear?
It seems to me that, not only did Israel stumble over the stumbling stone, but Gentiles, such as yourself, have also stumbled over that same stone.
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No - rather to perfect or complete the commandment!
In Christ Jesus the role of prophet, priest, and king are united.
As believers we are commanded to follow Jesus Christ in love.
As believers we do not need a priest to access God - rather we become our own priests and as such can approach God at any time.
So, rather than be limited in the way that Israel were under the Law we are able to approach and worship God at any time and any day of the week.
And so, because we are under the Law of grace rather than the Law of sin and death (Levitical Law) we can perfect and complete the Law in a way not possible under the Law of sin and death.
He who has ears to hear....
In Christ Jesus the role of prophet, priest, and king are united.
As believers we are commanded to follow Jesus Christ in love.
As believers we do not need a priest to access God - rather we become our own priests and as such can approach God at any time.
So, rather than be limited in the way that Israel were under the Law we are able to approach and worship God at any time and any day of the week.
And so, because we are under the Law of grace rather than the Law of sin and death (Levitical Law) we can perfect and complete the Law in a way not possible under the Law of sin and death.
He who has ears to hear....
Bringing us back to the topic of the OP.
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
There is another dynamic to look at when we examine this particular passage of scripture.
In the Hebraic understanding, to repeat something means that the individual truly believes in it. To repeat Lord, Lord means that these individuals of whom the scripture refers to, believe in Christ Jesus as Lord.
Casting out demons is an interesting point. We learn in scripture that the only way an individual can cast out a demon is if they have spiritual authority. Satan cannot cast out Satan. We learn with the itinerant Jewish exorcists, the 7 sons of Sceva, and a Jewish chief priest that if one is not in the Lord and operating by His power then they cannot cast out demons. What happened to these individuals who tried to cast out a demon by the Jesus whom Paul preaches? (Acts 19:11-20). The demon in the man specifically said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?” This demon caused this man to leap on these individuals and prevail over them so they were forced to flee naked and wounded. causing many to fear the Lord and come to Him.
So if these individuals did cast out demons (and nothing in this scripture says that they didn't), then these individuals had to have been operating in spiritual authority and with the power of the Holy Spirit. What was it that caused Christ to tell them that He never knew them? The fact that they were practicing lawlessness. They had reached a point where Christ told them that He never knew them by their conduct and practices in their hearts. In essence, they were no longer doing the will of the Father in heaven, but the will of something else, be it self, the world, etc. How then can someone who operates with the power of the Holy Spirit to cast out demons, prophesy in His name, and do many wonders in His name not be someone who is in Christ Jesus?
Matthew 7:21-23 NKJV
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
There is another dynamic to look at when we examine this particular passage of scripture.
In the Hebraic understanding, to repeat something means that the individual truly believes in it. To repeat Lord, Lord means that these individuals of whom the scripture refers to, believe in Christ Jesus as Lord.
Casting out demons is an interesting point. We learn in scripture that the only way an individual can cast out a demon is if they have spiritual authority. Satan cannot cast out Satan. We learn with the itinerant Jewish exorcists, the 7 sons of Sceva, and a Jewish chief priest that if one is not in the Lord and operating by His power then they cannot cast out demons. What happened to these individuals who tried to cast out a demon by the Jesus whom Paul preaches? (Acts 19:11-20). The demon in the man specifically said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?” This demon caused this man to leap on these individuals and prevail over them so they were forced to flee naked and wounded. causing many to fear the Lord and come to Him.
So if these individuals did cast out demons (and nothing in this scripture says that they didn't), then these individuals had to have been operating in spiritual authority and with the power of the Holy Spirit. What was it that caused Christ to tell them that He never knew them? The fact that they were practicing lawlessness. They had reached a point where Christ told them that He never knew them by their conduct and practices in their hearts. In essence, they were no longer doing the will of the Father in heaven, but the will of something else, be it self, the world, etc. How then can someone who operates with the power of the Holy Spirit to cast out demons, prophesy in His name, and do many wonders in His name not be someone who is in Christ Jesus?
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Not really as Jesus said to the Pharisees that their sons cast out demons and they were not "in Christ" at the time. They definitely didn't know Him.
There seems to be 2 different groups of people that Jesus is referring to. 1) - the sons of the Pharisees ( whoever they are? ) cast out demons
2) And then Jesus says "If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God...".....
So, there were people getting demons out of people apart from the Spirit of God. It might have to do with the fact that men do have some authority on this earth to do things? The enemy works by deception and lies.
Matthew 12:27-28 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
There seems to be 2 different groups of people that Jesus is referring to. 1) - the sons of the Pharisees ( whoever they are? ) cast out demons
2) And then Jesus says "If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God...".....
So, there were people getting demons out of people apart from the Spirit of God. It might have to do with the fact that men do have some authority on this earth to do things? The enemy works by deception and lies.
Matthew 12:27-28 (NASB)
[SUP]27 [/SUP] "If I by Beelzebul cast out demons, by whom do your sons cast them out? For this reason they will be your judges.
[SUP]28 [/SUP] "But if I cast out demons by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God has come upon you.
Could be true but Jesus was saying that the Pharisees were saying that Jesus was casting out demons by Beelzebul. Jesus then said if I'm casting out demons by Beelzebul, then so are your sons doing it by the same spirit.
They then will be your judge....and maybe these "sons" were doing it by the Spirit. I don't know for sure. So, all that is up to interpretation.
...but either way the point remains these "sons of the Pharisees" were not "in Christ" and were in fact casting out demons which means it is possible for people to cast out demons.
I think man has authority over things on this earth more then we think or know. But that is just my personal opinion.
On a side note here....What's your take on who these "sons of the Pharisees" are?...religious disciples of them?..literal children?
Where does it say that Jesus "clearly says" the only way to cast out demons was by the Spirit of God? Jesus just said "If I cast out demons by the Spirit of God then the kingdom has come.
That's reading into the scripture and it is your interpretation. Jesus didn't come out and say only by the Spirit of God can demons be cast out.
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It's clear to me.
And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand: And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand? Matthew 12:25-26