Is the Devil bound right now...?

[ukok102nak]

whistle...


και εδειξεν μοι ποταμον υδατος ζωης λαμπρον ως κρυσταλλον εκπορευομενον εκ του θρονου του θεου και του αρνιου εν μεσω της πλατειας αυτης και του ποταμου εντευθεν και εκειθεν ξυλον ζωης ποιουν καρπους δωδεκα κατα μηνα εκαστον αποδιδουν τον καρπον αυτου και τα φυλλα του ξυλου εις θεραπειαν των εθνων και παν καταθεμα ουκ εσται ετι και ο θρονος του θεου και του αρνιου εν αυτη εσται και οι δουλοι αυτου λατρευσουσιν αυτω και οψονται το προσωπον αυτου και το ονομα αυτου επι των μετωπων αυτων

kai edeixen moi potamonudatoszōēs lampronōskrustallonekporeuomenontouthronoutoutheou kai touarniouen mesōtēsplateiasautēs kai toupotamouenteuthen kai ekeithen xulon zōēspoiounkarpousdōdeka kata mēnaekastonapodidounton karpon autou kai ta phulla touxulou eis therapeiantōnethnōn kai pan katathema ouk estai eti kai o thronos toutheou kai tou arniou en autēestai kai oi douloiautoulatreusousinautō kai opsontai to prosōponautou kai to onoma autou epi tōnmetōpōnautōn

And he showed mea river ofwater of life, clear/white as crystal,coming forth out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. In the midst of its street ando f the river, from here and from there,was a Tree of life producing twelve fruits: according to one month each yielding its fruit. And the leaves of the tree were for healing of the nations. And every curse will no longer be. And the throne of God and the Lamb will be in it; and His slaves will worship Him.And they will see His face; and His name will be on their foreheads. (Rev 22.1 – 4)



Observe that Revelation chapter 22 declares that both the Water of Life and the Tree of Life are intertwined with one another, and emanate from the singular throne of God and the Lamb.

Although both God and the Lamb are identified, they are treated as one entity, one God, via the prolific usage of singular personal pronouns and singular nouns:

• One Throne (thronos)
• His (autou) slaves
• Worship Him (autō)
• His (autou) face (prosōpon)
• His (autou) name (onoma)

Whistle....

for the water is free to drink there the one that gaves understanding
to those who were thirsty and
the tree gaves unconditional love to those who were hungry
VERY DIFFERENT ISNT IT
WATER IS NOT A TREE AND
TREE IS NOT A WATER
EVEN THOSE TWO TREES WHICH IS FORBIDDEN IN THE GARDEN (EDEN)
WHERE VERY DIFFERENT FROM EACH ONE
FOR AS THE BIBLE IS VERY SPECIFIC UNTO WHAT IS IT SAYING
NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS
as our lord jesus christ speak to his father (huh if jesus is the father then who is he talking to)
as it is written
:read:
Juan: 17. 3.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

:rofl: your using that greek version again
wanna try to
compare that greek of yours with this one
as it is written
:read:

3*καὶ πᾶν κατάθεμα οὐκ ἔσται ἔτι. καὶ ὁ θρόνος τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τοῦ ἀρνίου ἐν αὐτῇ ἔσται, καὶ οἱ δοῦλοι αὐτοῦ λατρεύσουσιν αὐτῷ,
4*καὶ ὄψονται τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ, καὶ τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τῶν μετώπων αὐτῶν.

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[ukok102nak]

Jesus told us in the Gospels that when Satan is released, there will be worldwide cataclysmic events like mankind has never ever experienced before.

This is not yet occurring.

Scripture also says that Satan's time is very, very short...so, if he were to be released, he only needs to possess a certain few keys individuals to start a nuclear war.....and we don't see that happening yet...

:rofl: you mean after a thousand year reign of
our lord jesus the only begotten son of god who is our saviour
when that time comes ... .

. ... and
the great tribulation isnt happening yet
for it is after that situation
satan shall be bound

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[abcdef]

Jesus told us in the Gospels that when Satan is released, there will be worldwide cataclysmic events like mankind has never ever experienced before.

This is not yet occurring.

Scripture also says that Satan's time is very, very short...so, if he were to be released, he only needs to possess a certain few keys individuals to start a nuclear war.....and we don't see that happening yet...

In the context of Rev 20, what does he do?

 

[ukok102nak]

Kai Pan katathema Ouk Estai ETI. and the throne of God and the ἀrnioy en, Estai, Kai Oi douloi autou latreysoysin,
* Kai opsontai to face, Kai to ONOMA autou EPI tōn their fronts.

 

[Bowman]

for the water is free to drink there the one that gaves understanding
to those who were thirsty and
the tree gaves unconditional love to those who were hungry
VERY DIFFERENT ISNT IT
WATER IS NOT A TREE AND
TREE IS NOT A WATER
EVEN THOSE TWO TREES WHICH IS FORBIDDEN IN THE GARDEN (EDEN)
WHERE VERY DIFFERENT FROM EACH ONE
FOR AS THE BIBLE IS VERY SPECIFIC UNTO WHAT IS IT SAYING
NOTHING MORE NOTHING LESS
as our lord jesus christ speak to his father (huh if jesus is the father then who is he talking to)

:space cadet:

Jesus is NOT The Father.

Where did you ever get this crazy notion from...are you muslim?

This is not The Trinity.

You can't even tell us what you even think The Trinity is...

as it is written
:read:
Juan: 17. 3.
And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4. I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6. I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

:rofl: your using that greek version again
wanna try to
compare that greek of yours with this one
as it is written
:read:

3*καὶ πᾶν κατάθεμα οὐκ ἔσται ἔτι. καὶ ὁ θρόνος τοῦ θεοῦ καὶ τοῦ ἀρνίου ἐν αὐτῇ ἔσται, καὶ οἱ δοῦλοι αὐτοῦ λατρεύσουσιν αὐτῷ,
4*καὶ ὄψονται τὸ πρόσωπον αὐτοῦ, καὶ τὸ ὄνομα αὐτοῦ ἐπὶ τῶν μετώπων αὐτῶν.

:ty:

godbless us all always

Of the seventy times in which the demonstrative pronoun ουτος has a personal referent in the Gospel of John and his Epistles, the Father is never the referent! This fact, along with proximity, significantly increases the likelihood that Jesus Christ is the antecedent in the case of 1 John 5.20, as thus…


οιδαμεν δε οτι ο υιος του θεου ηκει και δεδωκεν ημιν διανοιαν ινα γινωσκομεν τον αληθινον και εσμεν εν τω αληθινω εν τω υιω αυτου ιησου χριστω ουτος εστιν ο αληθινος θεος και ζωη αιωνιος


oidamen de hoti ho huios tou theou hēkeikaidedōkenhēmindianoianhinaginōskōmentonalēthinonkaiesmenentō huiō autou Iēsou Christō houtos estinho alēthinostheos kaizōē aiōnios


And we know that the Son of God has come, and He has given to us an understanding that we may know the true One, and we are in the true One, in His Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and the life eternal. (1 John 5.20)





Regarding your centerpiece, John 17.3, if you were even remotely familiar with Greek, then you would already be cognizant that there are absolutely no grammatical reasons at all for denying that αληθινον θεονrefers to Jesus Christ.

This can be deduced from a study of the article with multiple substantives connected via kai.


αυτη δε εστιν η αιωνιος ζωη ινα γινωσκωσιν σε τον μονον αληθινον θεον και ον απεστειλας ιησουν χριστον


hautē de estin hē aiōnios zōē hina ginōskōsin se ton monon alēthinon theon kai hon apesteilas Iēsoun christon

And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent.(John 17.3)



Thus…it is only out of your sheer ignorance of NT Greek that you have chosen to follow a cult which denies Jesus’ deity and The Trinity.

Most assuredly you cannot even begin to exegetically prove your lame position….nor do you even attempt to.

You have nothing.

 

[Bowman]

:rofl: you mean after a thousand year reign of
our lord jesus the only begotten son of god who is our saviour
when that time comes ... .

:space cadet:

The Son has always been our God & Savior.


:hint:

The Son is NOT The Father.

. ... and
the great tribulation isnt happening yet
for it is after that situation
satan shall be bound

:ty:

godbless us all always

We are in The Great Tribulation right now...its called life!

Stop watching TV evangelists and reading fiction...

 

[Bowman]

In the context of Rev 20, what does he do?

The verbs are all in the completed action.

Satan has already been bound...


The Dragon, The Old Serpent, The Devil, Satan was bound ‘edēsen’ (completed action), cast into the abyss ‘ebalen’ (completed action), shut ‘ekleisen’ (completed action), and sealed ‘esphragisen’ (completed action), that he can no longer deceive people‘planēsē’(singular, completed action), by Jesus. Rev 20.1 - 3

 

[Bowman]

Kai Pan katathema Ouk Estai ETI. and the throne of God and the ἀrnioy en, Estai, Kai Oi douloi autou latreysoysin,
* Kai opsontai to face, Kai to ONOMA autou EPI tōn their fronts.

And...?

Its just like I told you....Theos and Jesus are in view, and yet singular pronouns are used...as each is the ONE God!

Study up...

 

[ukok102nak]

:space cadet:

The Son has always been our God & Savior.


:hint:

The Son is NOT The Father.











We are in The Great Tribulation right now...its called life!

Stop watching TV evangelists and reading fiction...

:rofl: you should quit those own thinking of yours
let the scriptures speak for itself
:read:
Mateo: 24. 21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25. Behold, I have told you before. 26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[ukok102nak]

The verbs are all in the completed action.

Satan has already been bound...


The Dragon, The Old Serpent, The Devil, Satan was bound ‘edēsen’ (completed action), cast into the abyss ‘ebalen’ (completed action), shut ‘ekleisen’ (completed action), and sealed ‘esphragisen’ (completed action), that he can no longer deceive people‘planēsē’(singular, completed action), by Jesus. Rev 20.1 - 3

:rofl: according you
not unto what is written
for you should the READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER
NOT WITH TRANSLATION OF LETTERS
AS THE LETTER KILLS BUT THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE
THEREFORE DO NOT STICK YOUR OWN THOUGHTS
BECAUSE YOUR DISREGARDING THE VERY WORDS OF
OUR LORD JEUSUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

 

[ukok102nak]

And...?

Its just like I told you....Theos and Jesus are in view, and yet singular pronouns are used...as each is the ONE God!

Study up...

and
you never had the chance to compare it

 

[ukok102nak]

:rofl: for once someone thought that jesus is an angel
then he is also the father

WHATS REAL IN YOUR DOCTRINE my brother

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[Bowman]

:rofl: you should quit those own thinking of yours
let the scriptures speak for itself
:read:
Mateo: 24. 21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened. 23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25. Behold, I have told you before. 26. Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27. For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28. For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30. And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

:ty:

godbless us all always

Jesus, Himself, told us in Mat 24 that terrible things would occur BEFORE the end comes, and BEFORE the release of the 'abomination of desolation' (i.e. Satan).

Jesus lists-out many things occurring BEFORE the release of Satan....false prophets, wars, rumors of wars, nation set against nation, famine, plagues, earthquakes, the killing of Christians, etc...

So....what we are seeing today IS to be expected, per scripture.


But....

When Satan is unbound, we will see, for a brief period, 'great affliction, such as has not happened from the beginning of the world until now, no, nor ever will be.'

Everything going on in the world today has been seen played-out in various forms for thousands of years.


Clearly, any student of scripture can see that Satan is bound today.

Study your scriptures, and thank God that Satan is currently bound!

 

[Bowman]

:rofl: according you
not unto what is written
for you should the READ THE ENTIRE CHAPTER
NOT WITH TRANSLATION OF LETTERS
AS THE LETTER KILLS BUT THE SPIRIT GIVES LIFE
THEREFORE DO NOT STICK YOUR OWN THOUGHTS
BECAUSE YOUR DISREGARDING THE VERY WORDS OF
OUR LORD JEUSUS CHRIST THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD

Refute scripture.

 

[ukok102nak]

what greek version is that :rofl:

:rofl: they say it is ancient (not ancient as the own thinking of that guy
hey jude este what we meant brother bowman whats your real doctrines
for it keeps you twisting everything here)

like
this one
as it is written
:read:
3*και 2532CONJ παν 3956A-NSN καταναθεμα 2652N-NSN ουκ 3756PRT-N εσται 1510V-FDI-3S ετι 2089ADV και 2532CONJ ο 3588T-NSM θρονος 2362N-NSM του 3588T-GSM θεου 2316N-GSM και 2532CONJ του 3588T-GSN αρνιου 721N-GSN εν 1722PREP αυτη 846P-DSF εσται 1510V-FDI-3S και 2532CONJ οι 3588T-NPM δουλοι 1401N-NPM αυτου 846P-GSM λατρευσουσιν 3000V-FAI-3P αυτω 846P-DSM
4*και 2532CONJ οψονται 3708V-FDI-3P το 3588T-ASN προσωπον 4383N-ASN αυτου 846P-GSM και 2532CONJ το 3588T-NSN ονομα 3686N-NSN αυτου 846P-GSM επι 1909PREP των 3588T-GPN μετωπων 3359N-GPN αυτων 846P-GPM

 

[ukok102nak]

Refute scripture.

:rofl: disregarding scriptures

 

[Bowman]

and
you never had the chance to compare it

Again.....and?

Is this going to be the big 'Trinity-killer' verse that we have been waiting for...?

The verse that knocks-down your very own strawman?

 

[ukok102nak]

everyone here knows
who sitteth at the right of the father

... . and
why our lord jesus christ is praying and calling to his . ... (hope he read this
in the scriptures)
during that time

 

[ukok102nak]

:rofl: we believe in the father and of the son and of the holy ghost (holy spirit)
but unlike anyone here
we never didregard the holy scriptures like
you

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[ukok102nak]

thats why
its knock down anyone who call unto the father
and his son told this before
I NEVER KNEW YOU
CHANGE YOUR LIFE AND START IT BY READING
as it is written NO MORE NO LESS