Matthew 7:21-23

Grace777x70 · Jul 3, 2016

Yes...He was saying that if Satan cast out Satan - he is divided against himself.

Jesus was accused of casting out demons by Beelzebul by the Pharisees which is why Jesus said "If satan cast out satan.."

These "sons of he Pharisees" were not casting out demons by Beelzebul either according to Jesus. So, it was not satan against satan. Nowhere did Jesus say demons only come out by the Spirit of God. ( that may be true but it is not said that in the text itself )

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 3, 2016

TonyJay said:

That's the whole point of Matthew 7:21-23. Not everyone who manifests GOD's spirit working through them is doing GOD's will. Yet many people think it is so. Thus, "Lord, Lord, have we not...?"

TonyJay · Jul 3, 2016

The point you were making, which is not correct, was that the only way to cast out demons is by the Holy Spirit.
As for Matt 7:21-23 - does satan's kingdom stand.......?

Grace777x70 · Jul 3, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Those in Matthew 7 were false prophets. Look at the context of the chapter. Jesus said "I never knew you" to these. You have to read all scripture in context and through the finished work of Christ or you come up all kinds of doctrines that are not in line with what Jesus did on the cross and resurrection.

Notice that in Matt 7:19-33..Jesus said:

"I never knew you "...these people were not believers...( Jesus never said " I used to know you once."..He said I NEVER knew you at all...).

Everyone when they see Jesus will call Him Lord.....Jesus said that He "knows" His sheep so those in Matt. 7:19-33 are not true Christians.

John 10:14 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP]I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 3, 2016

TonyJay said:

Satan's kingdom doesn't stand because someone more powerful that he destroyed it's power. Jesus meant what he said. A kingdom divided against itself will not stand, and satan's kingdom was clearly standing.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Search all my posts and find anywhere I said a person is saved by keeping the law. Yet you keep jumping back to "a person can't be saved by the law". Listen, for the 10th time, the law never was for salvation. It cannot be. Salvation came by PROMISE, through Abraham. If it is by merit, then it would no longer be by promise. This is Scripture my friend. Now, after that, what do we do? Keep on sinning? well apparently some teach that is fine. But that is a lie. We try to learn and obey God's commandments with the help of His Ruach HaKodesh.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

I disagree. That whole group in Matthew 7:21-23 are the many who consider themselves to be "saved" and "believers".

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

popeye said:

The law was never given for salvation. Salvation came by promise through Abraham. It salvation was a contest of works, it would no longer be by promise. These people in Mathew 7:21-23 are some that thought they were "saved". But yet they did not do what the Savior said to do. I have heard it said like this: If your "salvation" does not change your lifestyle, it probably won't change your destination.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 3, 2016

NarrowRoadDisciple said:

GOD was in covenant with Israel and the pharisees were Israel's (Judah more precisely) rulers and leaders.

saying, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on the seat of Moses. Therefore do and observe everything that they tell you, but do not do as they do, for they tell [others to do something] and do not do [it themselves]. Matthew 23:2-3

For the gifts and the calling of God [are] irrevocable. Romans 11:29

garee · Jul 3, 2016

TonyJay said:

What kind of deliverance done by people who have no knowledge of the Bible ?And delivered from what by and through what?

TonyJay · Jul 3, 2016

garee said:

Are you going to try and tell me that things that I have personally observed could not have happened?

NarrowRoadDisciple · Jul 3, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

Indeed, and we know there are many parallels between Israel of the Old Covenant and the Church in the New Covenant. The warnings that applied to Israel of the Old Covenant are spiritually applicable to the Church in the New Covenant as one example. God's exhortations, warnings, and instructions apply to those who are in covenant with Him.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Mec99 said:

I think the text kinda gives the answer. notice verse 23, you workers of lawlessness. Most of western Christianity say that the law of God does not matter. They might even say that it is done away with. This leads to immorality and wicked living, and all of this being accepted by the "church", because they think grace covers it all. This is who He is speaking of, in my opinion.

disciplemike · Jul 3, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

He gives you the reason, v23, "they are workers of lawlessness". Like people who think grace condones everything.

Ahwatukee · Jul 3, 2016

"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Yes, the Lord does give the reason, rather their very answer gives the reason and it is not because they are "workers of lawlessness" but because they were trusting in their own works as a means of entering into the kingdom of heaven. For when they find out that they cannot enter in they respond with "did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?" They were trusting in their own works "did we not?" No one will inherit the kingdom of God by their own works, just as it is demonstrated above. It has nothing to do with not keeping the law and is not even mentioned.

mailmandan · Jul 4, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Yes, the Lord does give the reason, rather their very answer gives the reason and it is not because they are "workers of lawlessness" but because they were trusting in their own works as a means of entering into the kingdom of heaven. For when they find out that they cannot enter in they respond with "did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?" They were trusting in their own works "did we not?" No one will inherit the kingdom of God by their own works, just as it is demonstrated above. It has nothing to do with not keeping the law and is not even mentioned.

Amen! The correct answer would have been Lord, Lord, didn't YOU and not didn't WE.

Ahwatukee · Jul 4, 2016

mailmandan said:

Exactly! Couldn't have said it better myself mailmandan. I truly wish that there was no division regarding those who trust in the law and those who are under grace. Because those who put themselves under the works of the law will in fact be those who will say "But Lord, Lord." It is a mystery to me as to why they don't understand. If the law is still in operation for believers, then Christ died for nothing! Why would he come and perpetuate something that we are still powerless keep and thereby gives sin its power? Yet, they continue to contend for it tooth and nail.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 4, 2016

Really Matthew 7:21-23 is not about people who try to justify themselves with works. It's about people who think they are walking in the power of the spirit, yet are wicked in their thoughts and deeds.

Ahwatukee · Jul 4, 2016

HeRoseFromTheDead said:

I'm sorry HeRose, but the scripture is clear in that, their answer proves what they are trusting in. When they find out that they will not enter in, then they begin with "But Lord, Lord, [did we not] which would demonstrate that they will have been trusting in their own efforts as a means for entering in. As mailmandan said, the correct answer should have been, "but Lord, Lord, didn't you shed your blood for us" and not "didn't we prophecy in your name and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?" They're rattling off their own works. You don't go before the Lord and tell Him that the reason that you should be allowed in is because of the things that you have done.

HeRoseFromTheDead · Jul 4, 2016

Ahwatukee said:

What they are trusting in is their belief that they are doing GOD's will because they think he is manifesting himself through them because they cast out of demons, prophesy, and do 'miraculous' things in the spirit. These are all characteristics of the charismatic persuasion.

Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? Matthew 7:22

Wonderful works
G1411 δύναμις dunamis (doo'-nam-is) n.
1. force
2. (specially) miraculous power
3. (usually by implication) a miracle itself

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