religion of the founding fathers

[jaybird88]

has anyone read into some of the beliefs of the US founding fathers? i was reading some of the thoughts of thomas pain, its pretty offensive stuff.

""It is, however, not difficult to account for the credit that was given to the story of Jesus Christ being the son of God. He was born when the heathen mythology had still some fashion and repute in the world, and that mythology had prepared the people for the belief of such a story. Almost all the extraordinary men that lived under the heathen mythology were reputed to be the sons of some of their gods."

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."

so how many other of our founding fathers shared such beliefs?

 

[GeneralArminius]

has anyone read into some of the beliefs of the US founding fathers? i was reading some of the thoughts of thomas pain, its pretty offensive stuff.

""It is, however, not difficult to account for the credit that was given to the story of Jesus Christ being the son of God. He was born when the heathen mythology had still some fashion and repute in the world, and that mythology had prepared the people for the belief of such a story. Almost all the extraordinary men that lived under the heathen mythology were reputed to be the sons of some of their gods."

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."

so how many other of our founding fathers shared such beliefs?

Thomas Jefferson was one.

 

[DP]

has anyone read into some of the beliefs of the US founding fathers? i was reading some of the thoughts of thomas pain, its pretty offensive stuff.

""It is, however, not difficult to account for the credit that was given to the story of Jesus Christ being the son of God. He was born when the heathen mythology had still some fashion and repute in the world, and that mythology had prepared the people for the belief of such a story. Almost all the extraordinary men that lived under the heathen mythology were reputed to be the sons of some of their gods."

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."

so how many other of our founding fathers shared such beliefs?

Yeah, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson somewhat, though I don't think Jefferson nor Franklin were atheists. Thomas Paine was labeled an atheist because of his book Age of Reason which praised the Age of Enlightenment movement among many revolutionaries in Europe (like Voltaire, Rousseau, Montesquieu, etc.).

A read of the 1798 book Proofs Of A Conspiracy by British Mason John Robison kind of explains the reason for some of the differences the American founding fathers had between them because of their association in the lodges of Freemasonry. Robison revealed that Masonry came from Britain to the continent of Europe, and only had three degrees. Weishaupt's Illuminati order crept into the Masonic lodges in continental Masonry, adding many degrees, which Robison revealed involved subversiveness against the Church and monarchs.

Basically, it is latter day proof of the same old conspiracy in God's Word that started with God's enemies creeping in among the children of Israel, which God allowed to exist as to test upon His chosen people. One can begin seeing it with the Canaanites and their gradual migration into higher offices and duties among Israel, like temple servants and the priesthood. Our Lord Jesus explained this in Matthew 13 with His parable of the tares of the field.

Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, probably from their duty as ambassadors to France, no doubt got involved with the lodges of Masonry in France, which the British Mason Robison revealed is a different type of Masonry than British Masonry. Weishaupt's Illuminati order creeping into the European continental lodges represents a working like the tares in our Lord Jesus' parable. Robison described the type of individuals Weishaupt recruited were rogues of the highest caliber. His added degrees onto continental Masonry opened up the doors to occultists, magicians, and charlatans of the lowest character, yet they remained isolated from the lower degree Masons so as not let the cat out of the bag as to what those accepted into the "Greater Mysteries" were really about.

 

[jaybird88]

Yeah, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Jefferson somewhat, though I don't think Jefferson nor Franklin were atheists. Thomas Paine was labeled an atheist because of his book Age of Reason which praised the Age of Enlightenment movement among many revolutionaries in Europe (like Voltaire, Rousseau, Montesquieu, etc.).

A read of the 1798 book Proofs Of A Conspiracy by British Mason John Robison kind of explains the reason for some of the differences the American founding fathers had between them because of their association in the lodges of Freemasonry. Robison revealed that Masonry came from Britain to the continent of Europe, and only had three degrees. Weishaupt's Illuminati order crept into the Masonic lodges in continental Masonry, adding many degrees, which Robison revealed involved subversiveness against the Church and monarchs.

Basically, it is latter day proof of the same old conspiracy in God's Word that started with God's enemies creeping in among the children of Israel, which God allowed to exist as to test upon His chosen people. One can begin seeing it with the Canaanites and their gradual migration into higher offices and duties among Israel, like temple servants and the priesthood. Our Lord Jesus explained this in Matthew 13 with His parable of the tares of the field.

Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson, probably from their duty as ambassadors to France, no doubt got involved with the lodges of Masonry in France, which the British Mason Robison revealed is a different type of Masonry than British Masonry. Weishaupt's Illuminati order creeping into the European continental lodges represents a working like the tares in our Lord Jesus' parable. Robison described the type of individuals Weishaupt recruited were rogues of the highest caliber. His added degrees onto continental Masonry opened up the doors to occultists, magicians, and charlatans of the lowest character, yet they remained isolated from the lower degree Masons so as not let the cat out of the bag as to what those accepted into the "Greater Mysteries" were really about.

when you read the things these guys wrote about you ask if they are lashing out against Jesus and what He taught or the church and what the church taught about Jesus.
there are some things i agree with, i think there was corruption in the church, but is that their agenda to weed out the corruption? i think not, the Christians that came here with them, the ones that were proud to be Christian, made a new life here to escape the corruption. yet the Fathers seemed to take this idea to another level.

 

[Ultimatum77]

has anyone read into some of the beliefs of the US founding fathers? i was reading some of the thoughts of thomas pain, its pretty offensive stuff.

""It is, however, not difficult to account for the credit that was given to the story of Jesus Christ being the son of God. He was born when the heathen mythology had still some fashion and repute in the world, and that mythology had prepared the people for the belief of such a story. Almost all the extraordinary men that lived under the heathen mythology were reputed to be the sons of some of their gods."

"Whenever we read the obscene stories, the voluptuous debaucheries, the cruel and torturous executions, the unrelenting vindictiveness, with which more than half the Bible is filled, it would be more consistent that we called it the word of a demon, than the word of God. It is a history of wickedness, that has served to corrupt and brutalize mankind; and, for my part, I sincerely detest it, as I detest everything that is cruel."

so how many other of our founding fathers shared such beliefs?

Most of them were freemasons, if you want to know their beliefs just read albert pike's book on freemasonry.....they don't believe in Jesus but use him as a symbol/myth for their luciferian religious beliefs that all roads(religions) lead to one universal being (satan eye of horus or what ever they refer by different names, even jabalon. all the same fallen angel)....

America is not a Christian nation, it was founded by freemasons who used Christian values and especially "freedom of religion" to escape persecution in europe and practice their masonry openly.....as masons use the KJV Bible but read it with different symbolic meanings.....sadly most americans who are Christians will get all tied up in knots whenever they say "but America is Christian" the truth is, it never was, sure in some adopted laws from the Bible but not in the heart of the people especially the founding fathers.....

ben franklin's house has been found to have dead children's bones in the basement.....it was thought they probably were child sacrifices...even though "modern historians" will say it was because he was a doctor and other crazy excuses....I tend to believe that he may have been sacrificing kids for his demonic religion of freemasonry. The higher degrees require it esp the dark ones....

Whenever you see history books refer to the "Hand of Providence", "The guiding light", "the Great architect of the universe," "The watchmaker of the universe" they are subtly telling you that the person was a freemason.....these little terms the common public will just glance over but those in the know, realize what is being communicated.....

thomas jefferson, george washington, ben franklin, and many more were masons....

Don't believe all the "glowing fluff" written in history books....it is written to mislead and to embelish the person to a god like status.....

once you research the true history of a person it is like Jesus said about the pharisees, they appear nice white washed tombs, but inside are full of dead men's bones.....aka they may look/talk Christian but peel their mask off and you see the gruesome truth of the person being nothing but the spirit of belial....

 

[DP]

Most of them were freemasons, if you want to know their beliefs just read albert pike's book on freemasonry.....they don't believe in Jesus but use him as a symbol/myth for their luciferian religious beliefs that all roads(religions) lead to one universal being (satan eye of horus or what ever they refer by different names, even jabalon. all the same fallen angel)....

Of course, that clearly is not true.

Not all of the U.S. founding fathers were Masons, and most of them that were, were members of British Masonry which didn't have all the Illuminati corruptions that Continental Masonry in France did, which are the ones you're talking about. Again, see British Mason John Robison's 1798 book Proofs Of A Conspiracy which outlines all these differences.

America is not a Christian nation, it was founded by freemasons who used Christian values and especially "freedom of religion" to escape persecution in europe and practice their masonry openly.....as masons use the KJV Bible but read it with different symbolic meanings.....sadly most americans who are Christians will get all tied up in knots whenever they say "but America is Christian" the truth is, it never was, sure in some adopted laws from the Bible but not in the heart of the people especially the founding fathers.....

Well that's not really true either. The founders did establish the U.S. as a Christian nation; they simply did not put language in the constitution that 'forced' the unbeliever to believe on Jesus, for that would go against God's principles per His Word. Many of the States had in their own state constitutions with declarations of being a Christian nation. In some U.S. counties, the people in those counties did... require one to go to a Christian Church on Sunday; that's what the Sunday Blue Laws were about that used to be established throughout the U.S. many years ago, limiting what work could be done on Sunday, etc. The legislature of a State that represents the people can join together and establish laws for residents in their state to follow, as long as it does not conflict with what's written in the U.S. Constitution by the founders. The States can even disregard Federal mandates if they violate the rights and authority of the States as given in the U.S. Constitution.

Many of the U.S. founders were Christian ministers, and Church was often held inside the round dome at the U.S. Capital building. Some of the oil paintings hanging inside the Capital building portico reveal this early American history. Can one image Obama holding Christian Church service in the U.S. Capital building today??? I think not! And that shows how far many people have been lied to and duped concerning real American history.

 

[ATH1]

Look up wallbuilders.com Mr Barton does a remarkable service on dedicating his life's work to the founders of the constitution.

humbly...allan

 

[Ultimatum77]

Of course, that clearly is not true.

Not all of the U.S. founding fathers were Masons, and most of them that were, were members of British Masonry which didn't have all the Illuminati corruptions that Continental Masonry in France did, which are the ones you're talking about. Again, see British Mason John Robison's 1798 book Proofs Of A Conspiracy which outlines all these differences.



Well that's not really true either. The founders did establish the U.S. as a Christian nation; they simply did not put language in the constitution that 'forced' the unbeliever to believe on Jesus, for that would go against God's principles per His Word. Many of the States had in their own state constitutions with declarations of being a Christian nation. In some U.S. counties, the people in those counties did... require one to go to a Christian Church on Sunday; that's what the Sunday Blue Laws were about that used to be established throughout the U.S. many years ago, limiting what work could be done on Sunday, etc. The legislature of a State that represents the people can join together and establish laws for residents in their state to follow, as long as it does not conflict with what's written in the U.S. Constitution by the founders. The States can even disregard Federal mandates if they violate the rights and authority of the States as given in the U.S. Constitution.

Many of the U.S. founders were Christian ministers, and Church was often held inside the round dome at the U.S. Capital building. Some of the oil paintings hanging inside the Capital building portico reveal this early American history. Can one image Obama holding Christian Church service in the U.S. Capital building today??? I think not! And that shows how far many people have been lied to and duped concerning real American history.

That is why I said most (meaning not all were freemasons of course). I used to believe America was a Christian nation but no longer hold that view and especially when I read about the dark histories of some of it's founders.....

I will respectfully disagree and say my opinion is America was founded on Christian principles but is not inherently a "Christian" nation......

It would be equivalent to saying a student studied some undergraduate biology and that makes him a professor in biology/biologist by just knowing some principles/facts...which it does not....

In the same way a nation can have "Christian" principles but not inherently / at the "core/center" be Christian....

The only people I believe that truly founded somewhat of a Christian identity in America were the puritans (aka pilgrims) but that did not last long as colonization brought hordes of all sorts of people some even criminals to a new nation to try their hand at restarting their life.....

I would suggest reading up on the "new atlantis" by Francis Bacon it talks of a utopian society that closely resembles the blueprint America has followed and this was by a freemason in the 1600's.

America was an experiment by the freemasons to see if such a society could exist and it has....but all with their dirty little hands working the gears under it.

 

[BeyondET]

It's kind of ironic for some of these plantation owners to speak of freedom for all though continue the practice of in slaving people.

 

[DP]

That is why I said most (meaning not all were freemasons of course). I used to believe America was a Christian nation but no longer hold that view and especially when I read about the dark histories of some of it's founders.....

I will respectfully disagree and say my opinion is America was founded on Christian principles but is not inherently a "Christian" nation......

It would be equivalent to saying a student studied some undergraduate biology and that makes him a professor in biology/biologist by just knowing some principles/facts...which it does not....

In the same way a nation can have "Christian" principles but not inherently / at the "core/center" be Christian....

The only people I believe that truly founded somewhat of a Christian identity in America were the puritans (aka pilgrims) but that did not last long as colonization brought hordes of all sorts of people some even criminals to a new nation to try their hand at restarting their life.....

I would suggest reading up on the "new atlantis" by Francis Bacon it talks of a utopian society that closely resembles the blueprint America has followed and this was by a freemason in the 1600's.

America was an experiment by the freemasons to see if such a society could exist and it has....but all with their dirty little hands working the gears under it.

That is where your Biblical understanding is missing.

God caused the founding of the American nations of the U.S. and Canada. They were ordained by Him. He is the founder and creator of nations, all power to do so comes from Him.

I have read Bacon's work, he was a Rosicrucian Imperator in the 16th century. But Ben Franklin wanted images like Moses leading the children of Israel through the Red Sea on the Great Seal of The United States, so why would he draw such an association if what they believed was not Bible based?

All one need do is go back in history and read the founder's own words of their strong believe of God's Hand being behind the founding of the U.S.; and that to know there has been many revisionists that came later and today trying to destroy what they said and believed. It's very obvious you have not looked back to those original writings and histories, but only side with Leftists today who have the desire to tear the U.S. down.

 

[overcomer21]

Most of the founding fathers were Jesuits or Freemasons. Rev 11, Dan 7 talk about the reign of the Roman Catholic power for 1260 days or 1260 years as in Ezekiel 4:6 /Num 14:34 God gives a day for a year in prophecy. This gives the total time from 538 - 1798 A.D. In 1798 Napoleon's general Berthier captured the pope and thus ended the reign of the Catholic church. Thus inflicting the deadly wound talked about in Rev 13. Here is where the plot thickens. Remember during this time the Reformation was in full swing and exposing the man of sin. RC church needed to go in hiding or the Wilderness which means obscurity Rev 17. What's interesting is that Napoleon was a Freemason. The Jesuit's were the standing spiritual army for the Vatican. The Jesuit's resurrected the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and many other secret societies. They did this to confuse the populaces so they won't really know who is pulling the strings. Satan and the Vatican hate the books of Dan and Rev because they expose what is happening in this world. The Jesuit's also during the counter-reformation came up with many erroneous doctrines, such as the secret rapture, futurism, ect. I said all that to say this Napoleon was a Freemason and Freemason's are controlled by the Jesuit's and the Jesuit's work for the Vatican and want to have full control which they now do. In reality they inflicted the deadly wound on themselves to avoid from being exposed. That's why John in Rev 17 wonders with great admiration. He saw in Rev 13 the Vatican take the deadly wound and thought that was the end, but in his vision of Rev 17 he sees that this whore (apostate church/Papacy) is committing fornication with the Kings of the earth. Where do you commit fornication in secret! That is why all the founding fathers were in secret societies they were sent to the new land (America) and wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Why you might ask, well all over Europe the Jesuit's were being banned because they were so cruel even in Catholic countries. They came to the new land which was the earth that swallowed up flood of persecution that was coming from the catholic church talked about in Rev 12. Why would they write the Constitution which basically says separation of church and state? Why would the Jesuit's who hate Protestantism want religious freedom? Well simply because if you have religious freedom you can not be kicked out of the country as they were in Europe. Slowly from generation to generation Jesuit's would become ministers and teachers in different denominations slowly changing the peoples views on the Papacy. Now we are seeing that deadly wound being healed talked about in Rev 13. As the saying goes Truth is Stranger than Fiction!

 

[DP]

Most of the founding fathers were Jesuits or Freemasons.

That's hilarious too!

What are the commies teaching you guys in public school now a days? It obviously shows, not much authentic history.

 

[DP]

"The... day of July, 1776... I am apt to believe... will be celebrated by succeeding generations as the great anniversary Festival. It ought to be commemorated, as the day of deliverance, by solemn acts of devotion to God Almighty." (John Adams, July 3, 1776)

 

[DP]

Discourse, July 4, 1796, Massachusetts - delivered at Ashburnham at the request of Militia officers in said town, by John Cushing, Minister of The Gospel:

WallBuilders - Historical Writings - Discourse - July 4th - 1796, Massachusetts

 

[Ultimatum77]

Most of the founding fathers were Jesuits or Freemasons. Rev 11, Dan 7 talk about the reign of the Roman Catholic power for 1260 days or 1260 years as in Ezekiel 4:6 /Num 14:34 God gives a day for a year in prophecy. This gives the total time from 538 - 1798 A.D. In 1798 Napoleon's general Berthier captured the pope and thus ended the reign of the Catholic church. Thus inflicting the deadly wound talked about in Rev 13. Here is where the plot thickens. Remember during this time the Reformation was in full swing and exposing the man of sin. RC church needed to go in hiding or the Wilderness which means obscurity Rev 17. What's interesting is that Napoleon was a Freemason. The Jesuit's were the standing spiritual army for the Vatican. The Jesuit's resurrected the Scottish Rite of Freemasonry and many other secret societies. They did this to confuse the populaces so they won't really know who is pulling the strings. Satan and the Vatican hate the books of Dan and Rev because they expose what is happening in this world. The Jesuit's also during the counter-reformation came up with many erroneous doctrines, such as the secret rapture, futurism, ect. I said all that to say this Napoleon was a Freemason and Freemason's are controlled by the Jesuit's and the Jesuit's work for the Vatican and want to have full control which they now do. In reality they inflicted the deadly wound on themselves to avoid from being exposed. That's why John in Rev 17 wonders with great admiration. He saw in Rev 13 the Vatican take the deadly wound and thought that was the end, but in his vision of Rev 17 he sees that this whore (apostate church/Papacy) is committing fornication with the Kings of the earth. Where do you commit fornication in secret! That is why all the founding fathers were in secret societies they were sent to the new land (America) and wrote the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. Why you might ask, well all over Europe the Jesuit's were being banned because they were so cruel even in Catholic countries. They came to the new land which was the earth that swallowed up flood of persecution that was coming from the catholic church talked about in Rev 12. Why would they write the Constitution which basically says separation of church and state? Why would the Jesuit's who hate Protestantism want religious freedom? Well simply because if you have religious freedom you can not be kicked out of the country as they were in Europe. Slowly from generation to generation Jesuit's would become ministers and teachers in different denominations slowly changing the peoples views on the Papacy. Now we are seeing that deadly wound being healed talked about in Rev 13. As the saying goes Truth is Stranger than Fiction!

I second everything you said!

 

[DP]

I second everything you said!

And I say much of what he said is FICTION.

 

[jaybird88]

That is where your Biblical understanding is missing.

God caused the founding of the American nations of the U.S. and Canada. They were ordained by Him. He is the founder and creator of nations, all power to do so comes from Him.

is this the same divine providence that the european founders used to justify mass genocide on peaceful native americans? and what kinda of nation did these men give birth to, women, non whites, and poor folks were not acceptable to vote on political affairs, slavery, little kids working 16 hr days in factory (only children of poor families) and the most successful war killing machine the world has ever seen. and all this was the result of Christian leaders?
what did Jesus teach on a tree and its fruit?

 

[DP]

is this the same divine providence that the european founders used to justify mass genocide on peaceful native americans? and what kinda of nation did these men give birth to, women, non whites, and poor folks were not acceptable to vote on political affairs, slavery, little kids working 16 hr days in factory (only children of poor families) and the most successful war killing machine the world has ever seen. and all this was the result of Christian leaders?
what did Jesus teach on a tree and its fruit?

No man can justify murder, and God will deal with those. But a lot of the American Indian tribes were violent against the Caucasian peoples coming into the lands, lands which the Indians DID NOT OWN, though they thought they did and thus thought they had a right to kill the whites off it. The reality is that GOD is WHO OWNS the land, and it is HIS choice to whom He gives it to, just as He gave the land of Canaan to His chosen Israel that worship Him, and not pagan spirit gods like the American Indian tribes worshiped.

 

[jaybird88]

No man can justify murder, and God will deal with those. But a lot of the American Indian tribes were violent against the Caucasian peoples coming into the lands, lands which the Indians DID NOT OWN, though they thought they did and thus thought they had a right to kill the whites off it. The reality is that GOD is WHO OWNS the land, and it is HIS choice to whom He gives it to, just as He gave the land of Canaan to His chosen Israel that worship Him, and not pagan spirit gods like the American Indian tribes worshiped.

i agree. before Europeans got here concepts such as ownership, greed and materialism were foreign ideas.

 

[SCHISM]

Have you seen the Apotheosis of George Washington? It depicts George Washington becoming a god and is painted on the ceiling of the Capital building. The Presidents of the United States are Freemasons. The Freemasons practice secret rituals. Those are facts, but now I interject my theory. Perhaps the Templar Knights found a book beneath Solomon's temple, and perhaps that book gives instructions to rituals learned from the Pharaoh's daughter, and perhaps those include how each Pharaoh would receive the spirit of Ra, and perhaps every President goes through this ritual to receive the spirit of Ra, and perhaps we are governed by that evil spirit. How's that for a conspiracy?