Dietary Laws?

[trofimus]

Barnabas 10:3
Accordingly he mentioned the swine with this intent. Thou shalt not
cleave, saith he, to such men who are like unto swine; that is, when
they are in luxury they forget the Lord, but when they are in want
they recognize the Lord, just as the swine when it eateth knoweth not
his lord, but when it is hungry it crieth out, and when it has
received food again it is silent.

Barnabas 10:4
Neither shalt thou eat eagle nor falcon nor kite nor crow. Thou
shalt not, He saith, cleave unto, or be likened to, such men who now
not how to provide food for themselves by toil and sweat, but in
their lawlessness seize what belongeth to others, and as if they were
walking in guilelessness watch and search about for some one to rob
in their rapacity, just as these birds alone do not provide food for
themselves, but sit idle and seek how they may eat the meat that
belongeth to others, being pestilent in their evil-doings.

Barnabas 10:5
And thou shalt not eat, saith He, lamprey nor polypus nor cuttle
fish . Thou shalt not, He meaneth, become like unto such men, who
are desperately wicked, and are already condemned to death, just as
these fishes alone are accursed and swim in the depths, not swimming
on the surface like the rest, but dwell on the ground beneath the
deep sea.

Barnabas 10:6
Moreover thou shalt not eat the hare. Why so? Thou shalt not be
found a corrupter of boys, nor shalt thou become like such persons;
for the hare gaineth one passage in the body every year; for
according to the number of years it lives it has just so many
orifices.

Barnabas 10:7
Again, neither shalt thou eat the hyena; thou shalt not, saith He,
become an adulterer or a fornicator, neither shalt thou resemble such
persons. Why so? Because this animal changeth its nature year by
year, and becometh at one time male and at another female.

Barnabas 10:8
Moreover He hath hated the weasel also and with good reason. Thou
shalt not, saith He, become such as those men of whom we hear as
working iniquity with their mouth for uncleanness, neither shalt thou
cleave unto impure women who work iniquity with their mouth. For
this animal conceiveth with its mouth.

Barnabas 10:9
Concerning meats then Moses received three decrees to this effect and
uttered them in a spiritual sense; but they accepted them according
to the lust of the flesh, as though they referred to eating.

Barnabas 10:10
And David also receiveth knowledge of the same three decrees, and
saith; Blessed is the man who hath not gone in the council of the
ungodly--even as the fishes go in darkness into the depths; and
hath not stood in the path of sinners--just as they who pretend to
fear the Lord sin like swine; and hath not sat on the seat of the
destroyers--as the birds that are seated for prey.

Ye have now the complete lesson concerning eating.

 

[disciplemike]

All Old testament was just a symbolic preparation for New Testament. When the real came, there is no need to keep the image.

If you want to know the more precise meaning of individual dieatary laws, the epistle of Barnabas is about it.

hmm, now here you go. I think I have a good understanding of the dietary laws, although I am sure the epistle of Barnabas is interesting. You guys do what you want. I will eat Kosher.

 

[trofimus]

hmm, now here you go. I think I have a good understanding of the dietary laws, although I am sure the epistle of Barnabas is interesting. You guys do what you want. I will eat Kosher.

You did not get the point. Even Peter got the meaning, when he rightly connected the invalidation of dietary law with the allowence to preach to pagans (sinners).

It was about the separation between people, not about any healthy diet.

But, of course, you can eat what you want. Just do not make it bounding to others.

 

[disciplemike]

i'll answer that when you say new and old covenants or not. and there is no " renewed covenants"

well there were a lot more than 2 covenants. Covenants are a fairly complex thing. Like the covenant at Mt. Sinai, that was a marriage covenant. But later, God divorced the northern 10 tribes called Israel, (because they were unfaithful, but God never broke His side of the covenant),. However, He tells us that He is going to take His wife back! That is good news!

 

[gb9]

hmm, now here you go. I think I have a good understanding of the dietary laws, although I am sure the epistle of Barnabas is interesting. You guys do what you want. I will eat Kosher.

go right ahead. has nothing to do with your relationship to God, but if you choose to that's fine.

 

[disciplemike]

You did not get the point. Even Peter got the meaning, when he rightly connected the invalidation of dietary law with the allowence to preach to pagans (sinners). It was about the separation between people, not about any healthy diet. But, of course, you can eat what you want. Just do not make it bounding to others.

the dietary law was not invalidated. Peter walked with the Messiah for many months. Do you think the Messiah forgot to tell Peter about the dietary laws being invalidated?

 

[gb9]

well there were a lot more than 2 covenants. Covenants are a fairly complex thing. Like the covenant at Mt. Sinai, that was a marriage covenant. But later, God divorced the northern 10 tribes called Israel, (because they were unfaithful, but God never broke His side of the covenant),. However, He tells us that He is going to take His wife back! That is good news!

I am starting to suspect Hebrew roots movement here. they deny an old and new covenant. this non-answer of this question is starting to speak loudly.

 

[trofimus]

the dietary law was not invalidated. Peter walked with the Messiah for many months. Do you think the Messiah forgot to tell Peter about the dietary laws being invalidated?

Acts 11:1-18

 

[disciplemike]

Acts 11:1-18

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Acts 10:28 (KJV)

 

[disciplemike]

I am starting to suspect Hebrew roots movement here. they deny an old and new covenant. this non-answer of this question is starting to speak loudly.

you like labels do you? call me a Bible-believer. However, it seems like the Hebrew Roots people are doing Bible things in Bible ways.

 

[trofimus]

And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.
Acts 10:28 (KJV)

Thats my point exactly. He showed him it by invalidating dietary laws. Read the beginning.

 

[gb9]

you like labels do you? call me a Bible-believer. However, it seems like the Hebrew Roots people are doing Bible things in Bible ways.

no, Hebrew roots are doing what Paul went to such great lengths not to do- blend Judaism and Christianity. Hebrew roots is wrong. old and new separate covenants is correct. no dietary laws in N.T.

 

[garee]

that is right. He took the charges against us, not the law.

Turning things upside down?

He took the charges of the law( eternal separation)that were against us... not the sign. it served its temporal value

if you get a speeding ticket, you go in and pay your fine. The law is satisfied, but they don't run out and rip down the speed limit signs, just because your fine was paid.

Amen without the law there is no trespass.

If you are traveling toward Reformation City, USA and a sign comes ups saying; Reformation City twelve miles .Your not there yet its only a sign. Not the time until you reach the Reformation destination .

The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure(parable)for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood "only" in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them "until" (not after) the time of reformation.Heb 9:10

 

[breno785au]

Barnabas 10:3
Accordingly he mentioned the swine with this intent. Thou shalt not
cleave, saith he, to such men who are like unto swine; that is, when
they are in luxury they forget the Lord, but when they are in want
they recognize the Lord, just as the swine when it eateth knoweth not
his lord, but when it is hungry it crieth out, and when it has
received food again it is silent.

Barnabas 10:4
Neither shalt thou eat eagle nor falcon nor kite nor crow. Thou
shalt not, He saith, cleave unto, or be likened to, such men who now
not how to provide food for themselves by toil and sweat, but in
their lawlessness seize what belongeth to others, and as if they were
walking in guilelessness watch and search about for some one to rob
in their rapacity, just as these birds alone do not provide food for
themselves, but sit idle and seek how they may eat the meat that
belongeth to others, being pestilent in their evil-doings.

Barnabas 10:5
And thou shalt not eat, saith He, lamprey nor polypus nor cuttle
fish . Thou shalt not, He meaneth, become like unto such men, who
are desperately wicked, and are already condemned to death, just as
these fishes alone are accursed and swim in the depths, not swimming
on the surface like the rest, but dwell on the ground beneath the
deep sea.

Barnabas 10:6
Moreover thou shalt not eat the hare. Why so? Thou shalt not be
found a corrupter of boys, nor shalt thou become like such persons;
for the hare gaineth one passage in the body every year; for
according to the number of years it lives it has just so many
orifices.

Barnabas 10:7
Again, neither shalt thou eat the hyena; thou shalt not, saith He,
become an adulterer or a fornicator, neither shalt thou resemble such
persons. Why so? Because this animal changeth its nature year by
year, and becometh at one time male and at another female.

Barnabas 10:8
Moreover He hath hated the weasel also and with good reason. Thou
shalt not, saith He, become such as those men of whom we hear as
working iniquity with their mouth for uncleanness, neither shalt thou
cleave unto impure women who work iniquity with their mouth. For
this animal conceiveth with its mouth.

Barnabas 10:9
Concerning meats then Moses received three decrees to this effect and
uttered them in a spiritual sense; but they accepted them according
to the lust of the flesh, as though they referred to eating.

Barnabas 10:10
And David also receiveth knowledge of the same three decrees, and
saith; Blessed is the man who hath not gone in the council of the
ungodly--even as the fishes go in darkness into the depths; and
hath not stood in the path of sinners--just as they who pretend to
fear the Lord sin like swine; and hath not sat on the seat of the
destroyers--as the birds that are seated for prey.

Ye have now the complete lesson concerning eating.

From some letter that is not recognised as the word of God? No thanks.

 

[garee]

you like labels do you? call me a Bible-believer. However, it seems like the Hebrew Roots people are doing Bible things in Bible ways.

There is a purpose for ceremonial (fleshly) laws used as parables/patterns . They, according to the prescriptions of rightly dividing the word of God are found and shown by comparing things seen, the food and meats ... compared to that not seen , the fulfillment of the law in respect to the reformation.

The promised demonstration has come .Christ has come in the flesh . Its the Hebrews that say he has not come in the flesh .
It’s how the Spirit of Christ who lived in them Jews who did have faith celebrated the gospel .It did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow. God sanctified the use of parable by setting them aside as signs.

1Pe 1:11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

Without parables /patterns used in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. There would be no way to declaring through prophecy the gospel of Christ, in advance.

It’s what the ceremonial law called circumcision did as a sign ...pointing ahead to the suffering of Christ and the glory that did follow the reformation. It pointed ahead to our bloody husband Christ. Just as do all the ceremonial laws. They in the Old testament were given the gospel in advance... we from our perspective look back to that demonstration.

Christ said; “ it is finished” the veil was rent from the top to the bottom , the graves as to the glory Of His suffering where opened, many angel in heaven witnessed their arrival , (They are asleep )

And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art,” because of the circumcision”. Exo 4:24

We must follow the Doctor of our soul prescriptions.

2Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Romans 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
It the result of the unbelieving Jew who refuses to mix faith in what they do hear coming from the parables .This shows the spiritual meaning was hid from them and therefore they could not understand

That applies to all ceremonial laws where food and meats are used.

And he saith unto them, Are ye so without understanding also? Do ye not perceive, that whatsoever thing from without entereth into the man, it cannot defile him; Because it entereth “not into his heart”, but into the belly, and goeth out into the draught, purging all meats? And he said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man. Mar 7:18

Its why he, does give us ears to hear (the hearing of faith) so we can understand the spiritual meanings of parables.

And he said unto them, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.And when he was alone, they that were about him with the twelve asked of him the parable.And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and “not understand”; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.And he said unto them, Know ye not this parable? and how then will ye know all parables? Mar 4:9

 

[miknik5]

come back and tell me what "sanctified" means.

Actually don't you think you should come back and tell us?

I mean what God has made clean is clean. And all things are pure(clean) to those who are pure(clean)

 

[miknik5]

that is right. He took the charges against us, not the law.
if you get a speeding ticket, you go in and pay your fine. The law is satisfied, but they don't run out and rip down the speed limit signs, just because your fine was paid.

HE took The Law which was against us
This is clearly stated in Galatians. I think you should reread Galatians?

 

[miknik5]

Would you say the written vide and regulations translate to the Law?

Scripture will not contradict scripture and what you are suggesting to Christians is directly against The Spirit at work in Paul as he directed and instructed and corrected and encouraged the newly growing body

In fact Paul would have said if righteousness could have been attained by the Law then Christ died in vain

 

[miknik5]

Paul also would have said that those who suggest do not touch do not taste are those who are spying out our freedom in Christ
and he also would have instructed those who considered themselves to be "Spiritual Giants" to do everything for conscience sake

Not their own but for those whom they deemed to be "not as wise as they seemed to think that they themselves were"

 

[hornetguy]

Those who feel free to eat anything must not look down on those who don't. And those who don't eat certain foods must not condemn those who do, for God has accepted them. Rom 14:3

This is left up to the discretion and conscience of each believer. If you feel it is wrong to eat pork, it WOULD be wrong for you to eat it.

It is a matter of individual conscience. There is no "food law" for those in Christ... only for those that still insist on keeping the old law.