Hebrews 6:4-6 - not at it seems...

[eternally-gratefull]

Report away dude. I am not obligated to respond to your baseless allegations. I already told you the truth, and I already told you I am not playing your little entrapment games. All you are doing is showing your true colors for all to see, so do your worst and we will see what good will come of it.

Your the one who made the allegations not him.

All he asked you to do was prove it, which you failed to do.

 

[PeterJens]

Definition of Pride

If one cannot humble oneself and bow the knee to Christ, accept His view and know
His authority, then you have pride my friend.

Sin is rebellion, it is serious and destructive. The foolish says in his heart, God does not
see or know. The presumptious say God knows but he forgives, it is already taken care
of, nothing to fear here.

The warning is judgement comes now, in this world about sin in many different ways.
Do not test your God or think He is slow to rebuke. The liar in his heart says I am right
you are wrong, nothing can get through to me.

I have no clue why any christian would be slow to say, "I repent, Praise the Lord,
you are King, I will follow you anywhere."

It is like ones heart cry. Yet here it seems these "christians" follow a different God,
and just being like a child is not good enough, you have to know is it self or the Spirit,
is love or sin. This is not a Christ that I know. The Christ that I know I trust and
as a child can throw myself into His embrace and He will love me back, what a Saviour.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Well my friend, you proved yourself that was not true. I said there was little between us
if you can walk righteously, with right responses and a pure heart.

But then you go off on faith and not works rant. You intentionally create a model that I
do not hold to. It does not bother me.

All I do is say what I believe to be true, If that is not ok wiht you. Thats just to bad now aint it?

It does not give you or anyone else the right to twist my words.

You have stated you do not repent, turn from your sins, or confess you have sinned, because

Please. Show where I ever said I do not turn from my sin, or confess I have sinned.

the sin is already forgiven, before it is done. Now this implies certain moral spiritual beliefs that
I cannot agree with and the bible contradicts.

Jesus says sin no more.

So are you sinless. If so. You have done what Jesus said, if not. Your quilty, Next..

But you have implied this means just you cannot stop sinning so it shows
your failure and need of Christ. Whereas I would say Jesus is saying I am no longer a slave to sin
and can walk righteously. Now maybe you agree with me, but this is basic HG theology.

You will now say I am saying what you believe, but this is why there is a gulf between us and you
do not respond as I would expect someone filled with the Holy Spirit. I am not alone in this regard.

Dude STOP TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT I BELIEVE, THATS YOUR Issue..

Keep it up. and you will keep getting reported, this nonsense has to stop.

You kbnow have three things to quote me as having said the things you accused me of.

So I await the proof.. If I do not see it. Like Grace777 has had to do with inspiritandtruth, I will have to report you for bearing false witness.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You do not like provocative points do you. Do you understand how agressive you are and yet
if I use the same techniques on you, you cannot respond.

Are you gentle? No. Are you caring? No. Are you honest? No.

It is odd when I write the simplest points to try and clarify where you are, you get all hurt
and upset. Sounds to me like a very vulnerable defensive man.

You want to tear me down so so so so so so so so so so so so much, but it is not going to
happen.

Your the one who is agressive.

I am not the one calling you names, It is you calling us names.

I do not want to tear you down, I want you to admit your a sinner, and have sinned against a bunch of people in CC chat, and continue to do it every day.

If you do not want me to do this, STOP TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY BELIEVE, BECAUSE YOU NEVER GET IT RIGHT.

 

[PeterJens]

What is odd is disputes about being upset.

Jesus said turn the other cheek. It meant do not take offence because love is so much
greater than this. But then these "christians" want to take offence, want to claim they
are a persecuted put upon group, who are miss-represented.

Oddly they miss-represent us all the time as legalist hypocrites, lost with no knowledge of
Christ or God. When that does not work they say we are born again but carnal with the
wrong teachers. When that does not work, we are evil again, anti-christs or full of greed.

Now it does not bother me, because Christ says they will hate you and persecute you,
slander you because of me. So Amen, hallelujah, and God bless you for bringing blessing
on us. But holding out following Christ, not doing well there on that score.

 

[Grace777x70]

Let me refresh your memory. The first time you asked several weeks ago I gave answers with scripture to support my answers. Then you moved on and tried your entrapment game on someone else, when that didn't work several days later you tried it on me again. I then reminded you at that time I had already answered your questions earlier, but you kept on and on with your scenario, not only with me, but with others as well. You kept trying and trying so hard to bring accusations with your little game until the mod finally stepped in and said something to you about it. Remember now?

So no, I am not going to play your little games.

[/QUOTE]

Report away dude. I am not obligated to respond to your baseless allegations. I already told you the truth, and I already told you I am not playing your little entrapment games. All you are doing is showing your true colors for all to see, so do your worst and we will see what good will come of it.

[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately I had to report your lie in the above 1st post after repeated attempts to get you to speak the truth, through 3 posts and in a subsequent PM which you have never answered.

I have documented everything in post # 298 ( where I did your work for you ) to prove you had not spoken the truth. All you had to do was just say it was not true what you had said about the mod....and I said I would let it go. But again unfortunately - no response.

We are trying to create an environment where people can post without being lied about, slandered and maligned.

We are allowed to agree to disagree too on any subject and we should be able to do it in a healthy environment. I don't care if you think that Donald Duck and Daffy Duck are the 2 witnesses in Revelation as we are free to express our views.

I will let the mods deal with this to see if lying and maligning is acceptable behavior in this forum. I had hoped we could have got this rectified as soon as the truth was revealed as I know that sometimes we can get things mixed up.

I forgive you and will not speak of it to you again. Have a great day and I pray abundant blessings of the Lord on you and those you love. Bless you!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Report away dude. I am not obligated to respond to your baseless allegations. I already told you the truth, and I already told you I am not playing your little entrapment games. All you are doing is showing your true colors for all to see, so do your worst and we will see what good will come of it.

[/QUOTE]

Unfortunately I had to report your lie in the above 1st post after repeated attempts to get you to speak the truth, through 3 posts and in a subsequent PM which you have never answered.

I have documented everything in post # 298 ( where I did your work for you ) to prove you had not spoken the truth. All you had to do was just say it was not true what you had said about the mod....and I said I would let it go. But again unfortunately - no response.

We are trying to create an environment where people can post without being lied about, slandered and maligned.

We are allowed to agree to disagree too on any subject and we should be able to do it in a healthy environment. I don't care if you think that Donald Duck and Daffy Duck are the 2 witnesses in Revelation as we are free to express our views.

I will let the mods deal with this to see if lying and maligning is acceptable behavior in this forum. I had hoped we could have got this rectified as soon as the truth was revealed as I know that sometimes we can get things mixed up.

I forgive you and will not speak of it to you again. Have a great day and I pray abundant blessings of the Lord on you and those you love. Bless you![/QUOTE]

See there, I didn't even have to play your entrapment game for you to bring false accusations.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

What is odd is disputes about being upset.

Jesus said turn the other cheek. It meant do not take offence because love is so much
greater than this. But then these "christians" want to take offence, want to claim they
are a persecuted put upon group, who are miss-represented.

Oddly they miss-represent us all the time as legalist hypocrites, lost with no knowledge of
Christ or God. When that does not work they say we are born again but carnal with the
wrong teachers. When that does not work, we are evil again, anti-christs or full of greed.

Now it does not bother me, because Christ says they will hate you and persecute you,
slander you because of me. So Amen, hallelujah, and God bless you for bringing blessing
on us. But holding out following Christ, not doing well there on that score.

smh.

You will never get it Peter.. You think you know it all.. You know people better then they know themselves. This is your downfall..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Unfortunately I had to report your lie in the above 1st post after repeated attempts to get you to speak the truth, through 3 posts and in a subsequent PM which you have never answered.

I have documented everything in post # 298 ( where I did your work for you ) to prove you had not spoken the truth. All you had to do was just say it was not true what you had said about the mod....and I said I would let it go. But again unfortunately - no response.

We are trying to create an environment where people can post without being lied about, slandered and maligned.

We are allowed to agree to disagree too on any subject and we should be able to do it in a healthy environment. I don't care if you think that Donald Duck and Daffy Duck are the 2 witnesses in Revelation as we are free to express our views.

I will let the mods deal with this to see if lying and maligning is acceptable behavior in this forum. I had hoped we could have got this rectified as soon as the truth was revealed as I know that sometimes we can get things mixed up.

I forgive you and will not speak of it to you again. Have a great day and I pray abundant blessings of the Lord on you and those you love. Bless you!

It is the way they do things.

They make these accusations. then when asked to support their claim with proof. They know they can not do it. so they ignore it..

 

[PeterJens]

Dear reader, I hope you are a believer like me.

Now in Christ we are brothers and sisters. We are called to die for each other.
We are called to serve one another. We are called to love each other as Christ loves us.

Now even living in community this is more close than that.
Now if I am commanded to do these things I need to understand what you believe how
you believe and why.

If I cannot tell whether you are in the family or outside I have a problem. How can I love
and obey Christ? So if I am rejected and told how dare I want to know what you believe,
then you cannot love me, or be part of Christ. Ask me anything and I will literally tell you
unless it is breaking a confidence of someone else or inappropriate to respond.

In realilty I do not expect anything from EG because he has behaved like an unbeliever ever
since I met him. He descended into calling me a liar and sinner early on and from then on
it has not got better. He loves the doggie trails that lead no where. It must give him an
emotional high, because Lord knows I do not understand such people.

Dear Lord may you open up EG's mind to what he does and why and engulf Him is your
outstanding overflowing love and acceptance, so He might know the Lord I serve,
In Jesus Christs name I ask, Amen.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Dear reader, I hope you are a believer like me.

Now in Christ we are brothers and sisters. We are called to die for each other.
We are called to serve one another. We are called to love each other as Christ loves us.

Now even living in community this is more close than that.
Now if I am commanded to do these things I need to understand what you believe how
you believe and why.

If I cannot tell whether you are in the family or outside I have a problem. How can I love
and obey Christ? So if I am rejected and told how dare I want to know what you believe,
then you cannot love me, or be part of Christ. Ask me anything and I will literally tell you
unless it is breaking a confidence of someone else or inappropriate to respond.

In realilty I do not expect anything from EG because he has behaved like an unbeliever ever
since I met him. He descended into calling me a liar and sinner early on and from then on
it has not got better. He loves the doggie trails that lead no where. It must give him an
emotional high, because Lord knows I do not understand such people.

Dear Lord may you open up EG's mind to what he does and why and engulf Him is your
outstanding overflowing love and acceptance, so He might know the Lord I serve,
In Jesus Christs name I ask, Amen.

what be like you?

Yes lets bear false witness against everyone. Lets not tell people what I believe and discuss that. Lets tell people what THEY believe, and even after repeatedly being shown you are wrong. You still refuse to admit innocence, and still want to discuss what THEY believe, not what you want to believe.

No thank you peter. You can have that, That is not Christ like at all.

I told you. You want me to stop ragging on you. Stop telling people what they believe, and stick to your own doctrine.. So we can discuss what YOU BELIEVE. not what you THINK others believe.

 

[prodigal]

Ephesians-4

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

 

[gb9]

You do not like provocative points do you. Do you understand how agressive you are and yet
if I use the same techniques on you, you cannot respond.

Are you gentle? No. Are you caring? No. Are you honest? No.

It is odd when I write the simplest points to try and clarify where you are, you get all hurt
and upset. Sounds to me like a very vulnerable defensive man.

You want to tear me down so so so so so so so so so so so so much, but it is not going to
happen.

no peter, you tear yourself down by false accusations and lies, both of which are sins, which defeats your " sinless " position. you do it daily. and, you continue to deny Biblical definitions of sins.

 

[PeterJens]

smh.

You will never get it Peter.. You think you know it all.. You know people better then they know themselves. This is your downfall..

EG, the joke is you do not get it. I am provocative and I will say provocative things to get
a response. It is called provocation, to introduce other ideas, other approaches. We are
not conformists or is anything applied to rules in the worlds sense. We are called to be and to
love, to respond as our hearts lead to the Glory of Christ.

Now you are a closed off individual with rules and definitions, defended theology and theories.
This is just a discussion forum, nothing too serious, where things can be tried out, people respond
and you see where it goes. But hey, you take it so seriously, you want the world to see things your
way or nothing else.

But nothing ever plays that way. It is partly your fault for picking on me. I will just prod away
and see how people respond. I cannot at this juncture take you seriously, because little
you say is serious. You want so badly to be a spiritual giant, yet you stumble over the simplest
issues and do not see your friends are not friends at all.

And getting it. Does not work if you have nothing to offer. lol. Not sure I have a downfall, because
Jesus is my Lord. I am not sure I have actually hurt you, because you are hard as nails.

I think you have tried every tactic under the sun to upset me, but here I am, sunny side up, Praise
the Lord. Maybe we should agree to just Praise the Lord in the beauty of His holiness, and His glorious
grace, that though we were sinners, He sent His son to die for us, so that we might become His Holy
righteous, redeemed people to His eternal glory, Amen, Amen Amen

 

[PeterJens]

no peter, you tear yourself down by false accusations and lies, both of which are sins, which defeats your " sinless " position. you do it daily. and, you continue to deny Biblical definitions of sins.

Do you know why God waits for judging actions and not these type of discussions? Because so
much is subjective. Two people can say the same innocent things, and the other side take it
completely wrong. Take false accusations. People believe all types of stuff, but in a discussion
you need to show both sides. It is why debating societies have a for and against proposition
approach.

But here you have hyper legalists defining and conversation into morality.

Imagine if the God had said, when referring to ideas or opinions, you have to describe them
to level 7 or it is sin and miss-representation, a slander and a lie, for which you will be doomed
to hell.

Now you would think people would help in others understanding their position and exercise
forgiveness and grace, but maybe that part of the morality and commandments has not kicked
in. Funny that from such a super-spiritual group. Makes you wonder what their Christ is like,
if these are the best followers their group can come up with? Lol

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

Now you would think people would help in others understanding their position and exercise
forgiveness and grace, but maybe that part of the morality and commandments has not kicked
in. Funny that from such a super-spiritual group. Makes you wonder what their Christ is like,
if these are the best followers their group can come up with? Lol

One would think, but some make every effort to conceal their true position from scrutiny. Frame it with ambiguous language, or shape-shifting words, to always avoid clarity, transparency and commitment. I asked someone the other day if he agreed with such-and-such's doctrine, and the person responded that he would not be baited. Baited into what? Revealing what you believe? Oh heaven forbid! Sounds like a spirit that was not willing to divulge what spirit it really is. GOD's children make every effort to make sure they are understood. Deceivers make every effort to conceal their true position.

 

[PeterJens]

But only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
Eph 4:29

Great verse. We need to walk in righteousness and purity, in obedience from the heart
to our Lord. We need to distinguish those who are in rebellion against this from those
whose life blood speaks of the Holy Spirit in their lives.

So amen, let us continue to understand and discuss the great mysteries and realities
of walking with Jesus to His glory.

Some want to claim other are slandering them about what they believe, yet they seem
incapable of truly declaring it. Strange as Christ and His words are quite plain and simple
Maybe they do not really know Him or His gospel which ofcourse would be rather upsetting
if it got exposed to the light of day.

Possibly this is there cry of anguish and fear, to be shown up for what they are.
But hey, if they want to show me as a sinner lost in the wrong theology, then Amen,
lead on, because it is through this fire that we are refined by Christ to His glory,
Hallelujah.

 

[LaurenTM]

Ephesians-4

29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
31 Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger, and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.

finally found a post I could like

thank you

 

[LaurenTM]

One would think, but some make every effort to conceal their true position from scrutiny. Frame it with ambiguous language, or shape-shifting words, to always avoid clarity, transparency and commitment. I asked someone the other day if he agreed with such-and-such's doctrine, and the person responded that he would not be baited. Baited into what? Revealing what you believe? Oh heaven forbid! Sounds like a spirit that was not willing to divulge what spirit it really is. GOD's children make every effort to make sure they are understood. Deceivers make every effort to conceal their true position.

who is 'their'?

why do you continue to create division and pretend that you have something good to contribute?

what spirit would that be exactly herose?

the other day you said you called no one any names and I proved you wrong

now here you are, calling those who disagree with your odd Gnostic ramblings deceivers and trying to get away with saying they have an evil spirit

you continually attempt to declare that many people here are not saved and you attempt to prove that by twisting what is said, as does the other one.

what inspires you to do that? I have read enough of what you appear to believe that I am very comfortable in saying that you do not seem to have a grasp of salvation and what exactly Christ has done for those who believe in Him; rather you offer a religious sounding compound of contempt for others and a constant clanging of works based righteousness . we have no idea of what all these works are that you say you do.

care to tell us about them?

 

[HeRoseFromTheDead]

who is 'their'?
why do you continue to create division and pretend that you have something good to contribute?
what spirit would that be exactly herose?
the other day you said you called no one any names and I proved you wrong
now here you are, calling those who disagree with your odd Gnostic ramblings deceivers and trying to get away with saying they have an evil spirit
you continually attempt to declare that many people here are not saved and you attempt to prove that by twisting what is said, as does the other one.
what inspires you to do that? I have read enough of what you appear to believe that I am very comfortable in saying that you do not seem to have a grasp of salvation and what exactly Christ has done for those who believe in Him; rather you offer a religious sounding compound of contempt for others and a constant clanging of works based righteousness . we have no idea of what all these works are that you say you do.
care to tell us about them?

So sorry. Your tactics of trying to stir up trouble don't work anymore. Have a nice day and thank you for your support.