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Utah said:
I know you hate that imperfect people are saved by grace through faith in Jesus Christ, but thank God He's in charge and not you. Have a nice day, sinner.
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You may be right that imperfect people are saved, but saved does not mean they will ever enter the kingdom of heaven.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”
 
Utah said:
I shared that God answered my prayer and stilled a storm for 15 minutes. Our friend here responded by asking how I knew it was God that answered my prayer. He stated it could have been the devil. Hence, the devil answered my prayer so that I could go forth and glorify God. Like that makes any sense.
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The devil is a liar, and he likes to see sinful people proclaim they are of God. Those people are liars just as he is a liar.

In the following scripture Jesus tells us just how much he hates those who say they are Christian and don’t keep his Word. He hates them so much he even refused to ever have known them.
(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

Notice the above people that Jesus hates even cast out demons in Jesus name.


Paul tells us that if one who says they are a Christian and still sins we are not to have anything to do with them.

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
 
Utah said:
I shared that God answered my prayer and stilled a storm for 15 minutes. Our friend here responded by asking how I knew it was God that answered my prayer. He stated it could have been the devil. Hence, the devil answered my prayer so that I could go forth and glorify God. Like that makes any sense.
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Well...it's necessary to understand what you are dealing with in any conversation, including this one, with johnlove.
Earlier, he said he knew he had the Holy Spirit (and this is my paraphrase of what he said because I don't remember it word for word) because it said so in the bible.

Now if a man has not received Light from heaven yet, he could do worse than going on the bible and what it says, I guess...
It will never be sufficient, but it can be a first step. God will show him mercy and grace, right?

Of course, you know that it isn't sufficient, but that's because you have something he doesn't yet have. You've received Gods' Spirit and have begun to experience His Word in your own experience. It wasn't of your doing - it was a gift. A merciful blessing.

It's always hard to have conversations such as this one and to...keep remembering that we were once just as blind and without hope in the world and that we were shown unspeakable mercy and continue receiving mercy after mercy and grace after grace. But it's how we have to engage in the conversations or else we undo whatever the Spirit wants to do. Of course, he will find someone else and Gods' will can't be thwarted, but we lose a great blessing in the process.

It is so hard to keep humility but then, it isn't really that hard if we constantly keep before us the mercy we were shown. We can become very prideful of gifts we are given. It's a ploy of satan. No one can expect a blind man to see unless he's healed of his blindness.

Was this coherent...? :)
 
Utah said:
"THERE ARE TIMES WE MUST JUDGE."

What do you think I'm doing dude? We are called to judge righteously and many of us are doing so. Yet you're going to spout off that we're going to be judged in a condemned manner? I tell you God is well pleased with our assessment of this heretic and the way we're handling his nonsense.
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You are only condemned if you've been misbehaving.
 
Johnlove said:
You may be right that imperfect people are saved, but saved does not mean they will ever enter the kingdom of heaven.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”
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Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom.

Guess who says that? That's right, Jesus Christ. :)
 
Johnlove said:
The devil is a liar, and he likes to see sinful people proclaim they are of God. Those people are liars just as he is a liar.

In the following scripture Jesus tells us just how much he hates those who say they are Christian and don’t keep his Word. He hates them so much he even refused to ever have known them.
(Matthew 7:21) “It is not those who say to me, ‘Lord, Lord’, who will enter the kingdom of Heaven but the person who does the will of My Father in Heaven. When the day comes many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, cast out demons in your name, work many miracles in your name?’ Then I shall tell them to their faces: I have never known you; away from me, you evil men!”

Notice the above people that Jesus hates even cast out demons in Jesus name.


Paul tells us that if one who says they are a Christian and still sins we are not to have anything to do with them.

(1 Corinthians 5:11) “What I wrote was that you should not associate with a brother Christian who is leading an immoral life, or is a usurer, or idolatrous, or a slanderer, or a drunkard or is dishonest; you should not even eat a meal with people like that.”
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And yet Jesus says:

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. [SUP] [/SUP]Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. [SUP] [/SUP]For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
 
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Utah said:
Fear not, little flock, for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the Kingdom.

Guess who says that? That's right, Jesus Christ. :)
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Yes and Jesus was talking to his flock/people.

(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

Jesus told us he would call his own sheep/people out by name, and they would follow him. Jesus never leads one to sin.

By the way has Jesus called you out by name?
 
Utah said:
And yet Jesus says:

“Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”
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Yes when one gives his or her life to Jesus, and allows God’s Will to always be done in his or her life, then: Jesus will give you rest. For I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, Jesus’ yoke is for us to be his servants

God’s Will is for us to keep his Words, and that means never to sin again. If one always does God’s Will he or she will never sin. Jesus gave us his Holy Spirit who gives us the grace to always to keep God’s Word.

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
 
Johnlove said:
Yes when one gives his or her life to Jesus, and allows God’s Will to always be done in his or her life, then: Jesus will give you rest. For I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy and my burden is light.”

Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, Jesus’ yoke is for us to be his servants

God’s Will is for us to keep his Words, and that means never to sin again. If one always does God’s Will he or she will never sin. Jesus gave us his Holy Spirit who gives us the grace to always to keep God’s Word.

(Romans 8:1-4) “The reason, therefore, why those who are in Christ Jesus are not condemned, is that the law of the spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. God has done what the Law, because of our unspiritual nature, was unable to do. God dealt with sin by sending his own Son in a body as physical as any sinful body, and in that body God condemned sin he did this in order the Law’s just demands might be satisfied in us, who behave not as our unspiritual nature but as the spirit dictates.”
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In Jesus Christ, our sins are blotted out so that when God looks at us He sees the purity of Jesus.

On another note I want you to know that I enjoy our correspondence because you're a sinner.
 
Utah said:
In Jesus Christ, our sins are blotted out so that when God looks at us He sees the purity of Jesus.

On another note I want you to know that I enjoy our correspondence because you're a sinner.
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Scripture tells us who it is that is in Jesus Christ, and who it is that God is in.

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”
 
Johnlove said:
(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”
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Now if I do what I do not want,
it is no longer I who do it,
but sin that dwells within me.
(Romans 7:20) ​
 
Johnlove said:
Scripture tells us who it is that is in Jesus Christ, and who it is that God is in.

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(1 John 2:5 -6) “Whoever says, 'I know him' without keeping his commandments, is a liar, and truth has no place in him. But anyone who does keep his word, in such a one God's love truly reaches its perfection. This is the proof that we are in God. Whoever claims to remain in him must act as he acted.”

(John 14: 23) “Anyone who loves me will keep my word and my Father will love him, and we shall come to him and make a home in him.”
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You're a sinner.
 
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For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

I wonder if these HOLY MEN OF GOD were sinners. I wonder if God calls them "holy men of God" or does he call them "sinners"?
I wonder if God makes a person HOLY if that person can still sin? Especially if he as a sinner repented because God put a LOVE OF GOD in the man. In love is no sin and in sin is no love. God is love and so is ALL HIS CHILDREN! They do not and cannot sin. To believe otherwise is foolish and Satan's gospel. God Gospel is about GOD and His salvation to True holiness and righteousness. God saves 100%.

I wonder if God knows what His Word is teaching here, or does the sinners know better? Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. If the seed (the Holy Spirit) REMAINETH in a person how can that person sin? Does the Holy Spirit sin with the person? How can God's Spirit sin? HE CANNOT! Not in the flesh of Jesus and not in the flesh of ANY PERSON HE ABIDETH IN!

I believe I am done on this topic. How can a sinner believe, they are of the devil, and he believes God is one and tremble! Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
 
Johnlove said:
You may be right that imperfect people are saved, but saved does not mean they will ever enter the kingdom of heaven.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) “You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.”
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Since Johnlove likes to contort the Bible into his very-special version, ignoring the true God all together, I'll just post the verses he claims to have included. Particularly the crux he doesn't think anyone will notice he completely ignored.
[h=1]1 Corinthians 6:9-19English Standard Version (ESV)[/h][FONT=&quot]9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 “All things are lawful for me,” but not all things are helpful. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be dominated by anything. 13 “Food is meant for the stomach and the stomach for food”—and God will destroy both one and the other. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 And God raised the Lord and will also raise us up by his power. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ? Shall I then take the members of Christ and make them members of a prostitute? Never! 16 Or do you not know that he who is joined to a prostitute becomes one body with her? For, as it is written, “The two will become one flesh.” 17 But he who is joined to the Lord becomes one spirit with him. 18 Flee from sexual immorality. Every other sin a person commits is outside the body, but the sexually immoral person sins against his own body. 19 Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit within you, whom you have from God? You are not your own,[/FONT]
 
Kosie said:
For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

I wonder if these HOLY MEN OF GOD were sinners. I wonder if God calls them "holy men of God" or does he call them "sinners"?
I wonder if God makes a person HOLY if that person can still sin? Especially if he as a sinner repented because God put a LOVE OF GOD in the man. In love is no sin and in sin is no love. God is love and so is ALL HIS CHILDREN! They do not and cannot sin. To believe otherwise is foolish and Satan's gospel. God Gospel is about GOD and His salvation to True holiness and righteousness. God saves 100%.

I wonder if God knows what His Word is teaching here, or does the sinners know better? Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. If the seed (the Holy Spirit) REMAINETH in a person how can that person sin? Does the Holy Spirit sin with the person? How can God's Spirit sin? HE CANNOT! Not in the flesh of Jesus and not in the flesh of ANY PERSON HE ABIDETH IN!

I believe I am done on this topic. How can a sinner believe, they are of the devil, and he believes God is one and tremble! Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.
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Faith and hope will one day be done away with but we aren't there yet. They will be done away with because when there is nothing more to hope for, one no longer hopes. They have received everything they hope for. And faith is the evidence of things not seen, but one day, we will see face to face and then faith won't be necessary.
But while faith and hope will find all they trust and long for, love will never be done away with.

When we see ourselves clearly, we are cheered and comforted - not because we see we have already been made completely holy because we see the exact opposite - but cheered and comforted because we have true light to see by and because because it is accompanied by every provision we could possibly need and every promise we could possibly need.

Seeing ourselves clearly, by going to the Light of Truth, doesn't make us cling to the law. It makes us cling to our hope - Jesus. We decrease more and more and He increases in us more and more.And that is what is supposed to happen.

Seeing clearly does not make us see less sin in ourselves. It does the exact opposite. But it also increases faith and increases hope. And strangely, as our faith and hope in Christ increase, holiness increases. It seems to the human mind that this can't possibly be right but Gods' ways far surpass ours. The way that seems right to the human mind is the way to death. How messed up are we that we are capable of insisting on death when life and death are set before us and the Holy Spirit is shouting, CHOOSE LIFE!
 
posthuman said:
Now if I do what I do not want,
it is no longer I who do it,
but sin that dwells within me.
(Romans 7:20) ​
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Do you think SIN AND HOLY SPIRIT dwell in one vessel? When Paul spoke these words, was he full of the Holy Spirit or not? How can a man be full of the Holy Spirit and still house sin as well? Or did Paul say this to the Romans because they were not even SAINTS YET? Paul says this as well, now were there perfect people then or was he mislead? Read some of Paul's sayings as well, then you tell me Paul still sinned AFTER God filled him.

Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ. Brethren, be followers together of me, and mark them which walk so as ye have us for an ensample.
Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
1Co 2:6 Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought:
Read the Word in 1 Cor 2 and see there that Paul could not teach the same Truth to all people. Milk for babies and Steak for the perfect. A lot of steak is wasted in the year 2016.
 
Stunnedbygrace. Why is this ONE DAY for you so far? God says BEHOLD the Kingdom is AT HAND. Paul says HE CAN GRAB IT...
God says if anyone KEEP His Word He and the Son will come and ABIDE IN THIS PERSON and make that person their home. That day is today! We can get the FULLNESS of Jesus TODAY! We can enter into HIS KINGDOM now! The faith is rewarded HERE! There is no change in the holiness of a saved person. only in the body he will clothe for eternity. The spirit and soul of the person will not change one little bit for the new body. That part was COMPLETED by the Father here on earth. That is why NO SINNER can enter into the Kingdom. But only a holy person.

If we do not enter into Jesus here on earth, and He not into us, we cannot enter at all. Jesus said FATHER I AM GLORIFIED in them. He did not say I will be glorified in them, Jesus glorifies us HERE with the same Glory he had as man. EXACTLY to his godliness God makes us HERE! The flesh will rot and die but the resurrected HOLY MAN CANNOT DIE EVER. Everlasting life means EVERLASTING. You either have it or you do not. You are Holy or evil, Sinner or SAINT NEVER both!
 
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