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It seems you think many things. But as Yet I am waiting for some substance to your thinking.
Is it too much for me to expect you to actually address the scriptures?
"I think you have not" gives me and others nothing but opinion.
So far I have presented scripture that goes against your opinion and you have yet to demonstrate any fault in the scriptures being used the way I have.
Until you can do that by addressing the scriptures I have used, all you have is an opinion. For many that may be enough. But I expect to see evidence from the word.
You Don't have to, I don't think you can and that is the reason you fail to respond in honest scripture study. That is fine, I said this before but now I will follow through. There is no sense in me continuing this dialogue anymore.
Is it too much for me to expect you to actually address the scriptures?
"I think you have not" gives me and others nothing but opinion.
So far I have presented scripture that goes against your opinion and you have yet to demonstrate any fault in the scriptures being used the way I have.
Until you can do that by addressing the scriptures I have used, all you have is an opinion. For many that may be enough. But I expect to see evidence from the word.
You Don't have to, I don't think you can and that is the reason you fail to respond in honest scripture study. That is fine, I said this before but now I will follow through. There is no sense in me continuing this dialogue anymore.
Yes, there is no text in Bible saying "brothers, sunday is the day of the Lord".
But that does not mean we were duped, friend.
Historically, church has always known that kyriake is sunday, thats why Greek adopted naturally this word to be the word for sunday.
Church held assemblies on the first day of the week, because it was the day Lord rose from the dead, so they called it the day of the Lord.
The same they called the supper of love the supper of the Lord, because it was something He personally relates to.
If you think Revelation is about Sabbath, you should prove why would church call Sabbath the day of the Lord, but ignore it in their lives.
But that does not mean we were duped, friend.
Historically, church has always known that kyriake is sunday, thats why Greek adopted naturally this word to be the word for sunday.
Church held assemblies on the first day of the week, because it was the day Lord rose from the dead, so they called it the day of the Lord.
The same they called the supper of love the supper of the Lord, because it was something He personally relates to.
If you think Revelation is about Sabbath, you should prove why would church call Sabbath the day of the Lord, but ignore it in their lives.
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:smoke: are we talkin about lord's day or the sabbath day
because those two are diffirent places
where no indefinite time nor place for the other one
as it is written
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1 Tesalonica: 5. 1. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
... . and
as it is written
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Marcos: 3. 4. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
7. But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,
8. And from Jerusalem, and from Idumaea, and from beyond Jordan; and they about Tyre and Sidon, a great multitude, when they had heard what great things he did, came unto him. 9. And he spake to his disciples, that a small ship should wait on him because of the multitude, lest they should throng him.
10. For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues. 11. And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
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godbless us all always
because those two are diffirent places
where no indefinite time nor place for the other one
as it is written
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1 Tesalonica: 5. 1. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
2. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
3. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
4. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
5. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
... . and
as it is written
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Marcos: 3. 4. And he saith unto them, Is it lawful to do good on the sabbath days, or to do evil? to save life, or to kill? But they held their peace.
5. And when he had looked round about on them with anger, being grieved for the hardness of their hearts, he saith unto the man, Stretch forth thine hand. And he stretched it out: and his hand was restored whole as the other.
6. And the Pharisees went forth, and straightway took counsel with the Herodians against him, how they might destroy him.
7. But Jesus withdrew himself with his disciples to the sea: and a great multitude from Galilee followed him, and from Judaea,
8. And from Jerusalem, and from Idumaea, and from beyond Jordan; and they about Tyre and Sidon, a great multitude, when they had heard what great things he did, came unto him. 9. And he spake to his disciples, that a small ship should wait on him because of the multitude, lest they should throng him.
10. For he had healed many; insomuch that they pressed upon him for to touch him, as many as had plagues. 11. And unclean spirits, when they saw him, fell down before him, and cried, saying, Thou art the Son of God.
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godbless us all always
Who shall also confirm you unto the end, that ye may be blameless
in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.1 Corinthians 1:8
In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he
that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David Zechariah 12:8
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John was in a prophetic vision, about future events-things to come,
not about any day of the week .
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his
servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified
it by his angel unto his servant John:
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This is not about a particular day of the week, like Saturday or Sunday.
In Bible [prophecy], sometimes a day is equal to a year (Ezekiel 4:6).
6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side,
and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days:
I have appointed thee each [day for a year].
a prophetic day often represent a year also in Numbers 14:34.
34After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days,
each [day for a year], shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye
shall know my breach of promise.
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this prophetic “day” of the Lord’s wrath will last a year- Isaiah 34:8; 61:2; 63:4.
For it is [the day] of the Lord's vengeance, and [the year] of recompences for
the controversy of Zion. Isaiah 34:8
To proclaim the acceptable [year of the Lord], and [the day of vengeance]
of our God; to comfort all that mourn; Isaiah61:2
For [the day] of vengeance is in mine heart, and [the year] of my redeemed
is come. Isaiah 63:4
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the Great Tribulation is immediately followed by supernatural signs in heaven
(Matthew 24:21, 29). The signs in heaven are also referred to as the sixth seal
in Revelation (Revelation 6:12-14).
the seventh seal, which contains the seven trumpets, are opened -Revelation 8:1-6.
This time period of the seventh seal (which occurs immediately after the heavenly signs)
is called the Day of the Lord Acts 2:20.
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
The wrath of the “day of the Lord” is manifested in the seven “trumpet” plagues
which are unleashed consecutively over a period of months, culminating in and
includes the Second Coming of Christ.
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Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you?
the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.Amos 5:18
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there is no verse in the bible that changes the holy Sabbath to sunday worship,
and the Lords day does not mean to worship on sunday.
in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.1 Corinthians 1:8
In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he
that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David Zechariah 12:8
-
John was in a prophetic vision, about future events-things to come,
not about any day of the week .
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his
servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified
it by his angel unto his servant John:
-
This is not about a particular day of the week, like Saturday or Sunday.
In Bible [prophecy], sometimes a day is equal to a year (Ezekiel 4:6).
6And when thou hast accomplished them, lie again on thy right side,
and thou shalt bear the iniquity of the house of Judah forty days:
I have appointed thee each [day for a year].
a prophetic day often represent a year also in Numbers 14:34.
34After the number of the days in which ye searched the land, even forty days,
each [day for a year], shall ye bear your iniquities, even forty years, and ye
shall know my breach of promise.
-
this prophetic “day” of the Lord’s wrath will last a year- Isaiah 34:8; 61:2; 63:4.
For it is [the day] of the Lord's vengeance, and [the year] of recompences for
the controversy of Zion. Isaiah 34:8
To proclaim the acceptable [year of the Lord], and [the day of vengeance]
of our God; to comfort all that mourn; Isaiah61:2
For [the day] of vengeance is in mine heart, and [the year] of my redeemed
is come. Isaiah 63:4
-
the Great Tribulation is immediately followed by supernatural signs in heaven
(Matthew 24:21, 29). The signs in heaven are also referred to as the sixth seal
in Revelation (Revelation 6:12-14).
the seventh seal, which contains the seven trumpets, are opened -Revelation 8:1-6.
This time period of the seventh seal (which occurs immediately after the heavenly signs)
is called the Day of the Lord Acts 2:20.
20The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood,
before that great and notable day of the Lord come:
The wrath of the “day of the Lord” is manifested in the seven “trumpet” plagues
which are unleashed consecutively over a period of months, culminating in and
includes the Second Coming of Christ.
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Woe unto you that desire the day of the Lord! to what end is it for you?
the day of the Lord is darkness, and not light.Amos 5:18
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there is no verse in the bible that changes the holy Sabbath to sunday worship,
and the Lords day does not mean to worship on sunday.
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They did not meet on the first day. Look at this verse in the KJV:
And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so [Abraham] begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac [begat] Jacob; and Jacob [begat] the twelve patriarchs. Acts 7:8 (KJV)
- - - Notice the words "eighth day". The Greek word for "day" in this verse is "hay-mer-ah". It is the right Greek word to use for "day". In the original Greek, hay-mer-ah is correctly used 196 times for the word "day". - - - Now, look at Acts 20:7 in the KJV. - - -
And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7 (KJV)
- - The word "day" is in brackets, or in the KJV, usually in italics. This means that the Greek word for day, hay-mer-ah, is not there at all. Interesting. Now look at the Greek word used for "week". It is "Sabbaton", which means Sabbath. So, the proper translation is this: "On the first Sabbath" or "On one Sabbath". Now, do you see what a little study brings to light?
And he gave him the covenant of circumcision: and so [Abraham] begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac [begat] Jacob; and Jacob [begat] the twelve patriarchs. Acts 7:8 (KJV)
- - - Notice the words "eighth day". The Greek word for "day" in this verse is "hay-mer-ah". It is the right Greek word to use for "day". In the original Greek, hay-mer-ah is correctly used 196 times for the word "day". - - - Now, look at Acts 20:7 in the KJV. - - -
And upon the first [day] of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Acts 20:7 (KJV)
- - The word "day" is in brackets, or in the KJV, usually in italics. This means that the Greek word for day, hay-mer-ah, is not there at all. Interesting. Now look at the Greek word used for "week". It is "Sabbaton", which means Sabbath. So, the proper translation is this: "On the first Sabbath" or "On one Sabbath". Now, do you see what a little study brings to light?
:hrmm: there were things that are temporal and
the most important one is the spiritual
as it is written
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Pahayag: 20. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
see what we really meant of
sabbath day and the lord's day unto us
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godbless us all always
the most important one is the spiritual
as it is written
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Pahayag: 20. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
see what we really meant of
sabbath day and the lord's day unto us
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godbless us all always
:hrmm: there were things that are temporal andthe most important one is the spiritualas it is written:read
ahayag: 20. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. see what we really meant of sabbath day and the lord's day unto us:ty: godbless us all always
ahayag: 20. 6. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. 7. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, 8. And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. 9. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. 10. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. see what we really meant of sabbath day and the lord's day unto us:ty: godbless us all always
hey :hrmm: you interpret :smoke: given verses which is the words of god given parables unto all of us
for we are told to wait for someone or
for everyone who will come to that understanding
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as it is written:read:
Mateo: 11. 25. At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes. 26. Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27. All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.
28. Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
29. Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
30. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
. ... you shall find rest unto your souls
... . thats the spiritual sabbath and
not literally physically temporal
like those sabbaths perform by those people outside
the spiritual good things
as it is written
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Juan: 4. 21. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22. Ye worship ye know not what: we know what we worship: for salvation is of the Jews.
23. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
24. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
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godbless us all always
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