Is the Devil bound right now...?

[49]

Morning 49, (Sorry, I'm using your post to answer Bowman, since I have him on ignore)

Here's one Bowman, 49,

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

Jesus freed us from the curse of the law and from the consequences of sin. He did not bind Satan at the cross, but took away his ammo by meeting the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf. For scripture states that the power of sin is the law. Satan is very much in the world, as the scripture above attests to.

Meant to say 'where does scripture state that he is NOT freely roaming?'

 

[Ahwatukee]

Well I blew that one. Pays to proof read. Thanks for bringing that to my attention Ahwatukee. Myself do not believe he is bound, but do believe he is limited in what he or his goons can do to a believer.

Agreed. He is limited to what he can do to us and that because the Spirit of God is within us. But for the rest of the world who have not received Christ, he is as deceptive and tempting as ever. However, after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, then Satan will literally be thrown into the literal location of the Abyss so that he will have no exposure to the inhabitants of the earth whatsoever during that literal thousand years. Boman's problem is that he ignores the literal meaning of the scripture and opts for a spiritual interpretation, which unfortunately for him is incorrect.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Meant to say 'where does scripture state that he is NOT freely roaming?'

Right. The answer is, no where! For scripture makes it clear that the devil is roaming about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Bowman has to circumvent the scripture because it is detrimental to his position.

 

[49]

Right. The answer is, no where! For scripture makes it clear that the devil is roaming about like a roaring lion seeking whom he may devour. Bowman has to circumvent the scripture because it is detrimental to his position.

Yes, which is why in post #2818 requested he show scripture in God's Words, not his own.

 

[garee]

The Arabic of the Koran makes that proclamation.

The term 'Muhammad' was a participle at the time that the Koran was penned, not a proper name....and literally means 'praised one'....same epithet as used in the Holy Bible for Jesus Christ.

Further, the only four times that the term is used in the Koran, it is in the context of Jesus' Biblical attributes.

You are making a common mistake of attempting to blend the fictitious Islamic Muhammad with the Koranic Muhammad.

We don’t praise the devil no matter what name is attached to his lying sign and wonders .

We praise the God of the scriptures alone.

Muhammad is a false prophet. The Koran false prophecy.

The last new prophecy before God sealed up the possibility with the last chapter of Revelation in His book, the bible. it is sealed from any hope of new prophecy.It was long established as a law for testing the spirits to see if they are of god or men . He failed.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:9

The devil is now bound from deceiving the nations through false prophets and their lying signs and wonders. The elect that heed the waning not to add or subtract now that we have the whole or perfect will of God . With them it is no possible to be deceived. Therefore is any man like Mohamed that says say thus sayith the lord, we are to believe not.

It all depends of what he reveals as prophecy,which again is sealed up, not the false prophets . To them Satan is not bound but its business as usual

And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.Mar 13:21

 

[Rudimental]

No verse states that Satan is freely roaming the earth right now.

Oh really. How do you explain 1 Peter 5:8 then?

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

[valiant]

Agreed. He is limited to what he can do to us and that because the Spirit of God is within us. But for the rest of the world who have not received Christ, he is as deceptive and tempting as ever. However, after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, then Satan will literally be thrown into the literal location of the Abyss so that he will have no exposure to the inhabitants of the earth whatsoever during that literal thousand years. Boman's problem is that he ignores the literal meaning of the scripture and opts for a spiritual interpretation, which unfortunately for him is incorrect.

trouble is the Devil (Apollyon = the destroyer) king of the angels was released from the Abyss in Rev 9. Seems Bowman is right after all

 

[valiant]

Oh really. How do you explain 1 Peter 5:8 then?

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

quite simple, His minions {especially persecutors) walk about like a roaring lion.

or are you really going to have Satan walking about lol a bit undignified

 

[49]

Oh really. How do you explain 1 Peter 5:8 then?

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

He has explained it away many times in this thread, but I still disagree with him.

 

[Bowman]

and again
because of bowman's machiavellian works
misleading everyone with his unscrupulous doctrines
satan devil is not bound right now

You deny The Trinity.

What do you know...?

 

[Bowman]

Where does scripture state that he is? Plainly please...not in your words, sir, but God's.

και νυν το κατεχον οιδατε εις το αποκαλυφθηναι αυτον εν τω αυτου καιρω το γαρ μυστηριον ηδη ενεργειται της ανομιας μονον ο κατεχων αρτι εωςεκ μεσου γενηται

 

[Bowman]

Morning 49, (Sorry, I'm using your post to answer Bowman, since I have him on ignore)

That's pretty manly of you...

Here's one Bowman, 49,

"We know that we are children of God, and that the whole world is under the control of the evil one." (1 John 5:19)

1 John 5.18 – 19

οιδαμεν οτι παςο γεγεννημενος εκ του θεου ουχ αμαρτανει αλλ ο γεννηθειςεκτου θεου τηρει αυτον και ο πονηρος ουχ απτεταιαυτου οιδαμεν οτι εκ του θεου εσμεν και ο κοσμος ολοςεν τω πονηρω κειται

Oidamen hoti pas ho gegennēmenos ek tou Theou ouch hamartanei all' ho gennētheis ek tou Theou tērei auton kai ho ponēros ouch haptetaiautou oidamen hoti ek tou Theou esmen kai ho kosmos holos en tō ponērō keitai

We know that everyone being born from God does not sin, but The One having been born from God guards him, and The Evil One does not touch him. We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies in the power of The Evil One.


This passage, in 1 John 5, informs the reader that Satan (the Evil One) cannot do anything to the people of God.

Juxtaposed to this very succinct proclamation of The Devil’s impotence, is the assertion that the entire world is subjected to his ‘power’ (i.e. demons, as proclaimed throughout scripture).


Clearly, Satan is bound….but his demons are not.


Simple Biblical truth.

 

[Bowman]

Jesus freed us from the curse of the law and from the consequences of sin. He did not bind Satan at the cross, but took away his ammo by meeting the righteous requirements of the law on our behalf. For scripture states that the power of sin is the law. Satan is very much in the world, as the scripture above attests to.

He most certainly did...


Heb 2.14

επει ουν τα παιδια κεκοινωνηκεν αιματος και σαρκος και αυτος παραπλησιως μετεσχεν των αυτων ινα δια του θανατου καταργηση τον το κρατος εχοντα του θανατου τουτ εστιν τον διαβολον

epei oun ta paidia kekoinōnēken haimatos kai sarkos kai autos paraplēsiōs meteschen tōn autōn hina dia tou thanatou katargēsē ton to kratos echonta tou thanatou tout' estin ton diabolon

Since, then, the children have partaken of flesh and blood, in like manner He Himself also shared the same things, that through death He might render entirely idle the one having the power of death, that is, the devil;

 

[Bowman]

Agreed. He is limited to what he can do to us and that because the Spirit of God is within us. But for the rest of the world who have not received Christ, he is as deceptive and tempting as ever. However, after the Lord returns to the earth to end the age, then Satan will literally be thrown into the literal location of the Abyss so that he will have no exposure to the inhabitants of the earth whatsoever during that literal thousand years. Boman's problem is that he ignores the literal meaning of the scripture and opts for a spiritual interpretation, which unfortunately for him is incorrect.

Wrong.

Your one-hit-wonder passage is in the completed action tense...

The Dragon, The Old Serpent, The Devil, Satan was bound ‘edēsen’ (completed action), cast into the abyss ‘ebalen’ (completed action), shut ‘ekleisen’ (completed action), and sealed ‘esphragisen’ (completed action), that he can no longer deceive people‘planēsē’(singular, completed action), by Jesus. Rev 20.1 - 3

 

[SteelToedKodiak]

All,

Looking for scriptural positions regarding if Satan is presently bound...

[video=youtube;LjfW4I7vHp0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjfW4I7vHp0[/video]

 

[Bowman]

Yes, which is why in post #2818 requested he show scripture in God's Words, not his own.

I provided God's word in the language in which it was inspired.

Let's see what you can do with it...

 

[Bowman]

We don’t praise the devil no matter what name is attached to his lying sign and wonders .

We praise the God of the scriptures alone.

Muhammad is a false prophet. The Koran false prophecy.

The last new prophecy before God sealed up the possibility with the last chapter of Revelation in His book, the bible. it is sealed from any hope of new prophecy.It was long established as a law for testing the spirits to see if they are of god or men . He failed.

Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:2Th 2:9

The devil is now bound from deceiving the nations through false prophets and their lying signs and wonders. The elect that heed the waning not to add or subtract now that we have the whole or perfect will of God . With them it is no possible to be deceived. Therefore is any man like Mohamed that says say thus sayith the lord, we are to believe not.

It all depends of what he reveals as prophecy,which again is sealed up, not the false prophets . To them Satan is not bound but its business as usual

And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.Mar 13:21

Cast your vote in the poll...

 

[Bowman]

Oh really. How do you explain 1 Peter 5:8 then?

1 Peter 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Peter 5.8


νηψατε γρηγορησατε ο αντιδικος υμων διαβολος ως λεων ωρυομενος περιπατει ζητων καταπιειν

nēpsate grēgorēsate ho antidikos hymōn diabolos hōs leōn ōryomenos peripatei zētōn tina katapiein

Be sober-minded, watch, the adversary devil of you walks about in the same manner as a roaring lion seeking whom to devour;




This passage does not refer to ‘The Devil’ himself, for several reasons:


· ‘Diabolos’ is anarthrous (i.e. it lacks a preceding Greek definite article). Thus, rather than referring to ‘The Devil’ it refers to ‘A devil’, a demon – of which, the NT often refers to demons a devils.


· ‘Ho antidikos’ (the adversary) is used in only one other NT passage, Mat 5.25, and is in the context of being thrown into prison.


· The key word ‘hōs’ literally means ‘in the same manner as’, and is used to describe demons in Revelation, ‘in the same manner as’ a lion (Rev 9.8).

 

[HisHolly]

Wrong.

Your one-hit-wonder passage is in the completed action tense...

The Dragon, The Old Serpent, The Devil, Satan was bound ‘edēsen’ (completed action), cast into the abyss ‘ebalen’ (completed action), shut ‘ekleisen’ (completed action), and sealed ‘esphragisen’ (completed action), that he can no longer deceive people‘planēsē’(singular, completed action), by Jesus. Rev 20.1 - 3

anyone can quote.. Only the HS can interpret for us.. You're an expert when it was written how long ago? that's amazing

 

[HisHolly]

Laws of language have always applied, we say things and use word play ect.. since God is not locked into time He can have them write it one way and mean it for any time He wants.. The fool locks Him in a box..

all the orig txt experts who have lived but a short time kill me..

I said on another thread.. those that held the originals crucified Christ bc they didn't understand them.. they knew the language and how it was used and spoken.. what they didn't understand was how God meant it..