Bearing fruit
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I dont see the bible used improperly, I see most of the clashing between two peoples because the one side of things is neglectful to that which they preferred wasnt there and hatred to towrds the other part who brings up the reminders that others parts mentioned have dissapeared (as they would like them to be).
Discussing is good, less our words I would prefer and more study
I prefer sharing comparisons, a forum without our own words entering in would be great where they can be avoided.
Discussing is good, less our words I would prefer and more study
I prefer sharing comparisons, a forum without our own words entering in would be great where they can be avoided.
New wine must be put into new vessels, because the old vessel will not agree with the new wine, as also the old vessel cannot receive and retain the new testimony, also in their carnal minds they think the old wine is better. 
Luke 5...36"And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.[SUP]37 [/SUP]And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
Luke 5...36"And he spake also a parable unto them; No man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was taken out of the new agreeth not with the old.[SUP]37 [/SUP]And no man putteth new wine into old bottles; else the new wine will burst the bottles, and be spilled, and the bottles shall perish.
[SUP]38 [/SUP]But new wine must be put into new bottles; and both are preserved.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]No man also having drunk old wine straightway desireth new: for he saith, The old is better.
Nonsense ...that is a construct of your own thinking. We should be looking at scripture "in context" and through the lens of the finished work of Christ.
I do agree with you that people can twist scriptures around - that is a very true statement.
Everyone is a false teacher to those that believe in something a little differently then they do. The internet is full of heretic-hunter websites.
But you are free to believe what ever you want.
I do agree with you that people can twist scriptures around - that is a very true statement.
Everyone is a false teacher to those that believe in something a little differently then they do. The internet is full of heretic-hunter websites.
But you are free to believe what ever you want.
There are lot's of self-proclaimed heretic hunters on the internet. To them everyone is a heretic. These heretic-hunters do not bear good fruit.
There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham. Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin..etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies"
There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.
Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics". "If people don't believe the way that they do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.."
It's the nature of the beast.
Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.
There are websites dedicated to the heretic Billy Graham. Billy Sunday, Charles Spurgeon, Charles Stanley, D.L. Moody, C.S. Lewis, John McArthur, Paul Washer, Joseph Prince, Bill Johnson, Martin Luther, John Calvin..etc..basically anyone who is known has a website dedicated to their "heresies"
There are even websites dedicated to the heretic apostle Paul because his epistles "conflict" with some of Jesus' words.
Basically these self-proclaimed heretic hunters have a beef about some thing with what someone else believes and so they are now "heretics". "If people don't believe the way that they do - they are heretics and they try to prove it with "their" version of what the scriptures say.."
It's the nature of the beast.
Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.
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I think this hyper-grace thing is utter nonsense!
I never even heard of such a thing until I came to this forum
the expression seems to have caught on here and I wonder what it is people think they believe in, if it is not the unmerited favor of God?
maybe they don't know what grace is
I never would have thought there were so many eager to splice grace into parts and berate some with one part and hug the other part and marry it to self-effort
and go on and on with OT scriptures
listen, the NT is chock full of dire warnings regarding sin...worse then the Old IMO
I never even heard of such a thing until I came to this forum
the expression seems to have caught on here and I wonder what it is people think they believe in, if it is not the unmerited favor of God?
maybe they don't know what grace is
I never would have thought there were so many eager to splice grace into parts and berate some with one part and hug the other part and marry it to self-effort
and go on and on with OT scriptures
listen, the NT is chock full of dire warnings regarding sin...worse then the Old IMO
The above statment is a constant straw man accusation which tries to bash anyone who preaches an obedient walk of faith by being empowered by Christ our righteousness. Beware of those who constantly try to misrepresent others beliefs in order to deceive, this is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
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Thats one of the reasons for ignoring, has more to do with all that straw
People can try to create and maintain their own righteousness if they want
Nonsense....I have not mentioned anyone's personal beliefs. The statement stands true on it's own merit. If people identify with it...that's between them and their God.
Here is my full post "in context". If people take things out of it's context - that is what is really mis-representing what is being said and that is being deceitful IMO.
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People can try to create and maintain their own righteousness if they want. - I would advise against it.
Isaiah 64:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Romans 10:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
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The above statment is a constant straw man accusation which tries to bash anyone who preaches an obedient walk of faith by being empowered by Christ our righteousness. Beware of those who constantly try to misrepresent others beliefs in order to deceive, this is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit.
Here is my full post "in context". If people take things out of it's context - that is what is really mis-representing what is being said and that is being deceitful IMO.
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People can try to create and maintain their own righteousness if they want. - I would advise against it.
Isaiah 64:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Romans 10:3 (NASB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] For not knowing about God's righteousness and seeking to establish their own, they did not subject themselves to the righteousness of God.
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Being righteous to be saved and to stay saved is completely different to being righteous because you are saved and thus empowered by God.
It's not a straw man at all.
Either you are righteous by Him or by you.
If you want to play the Scripture new and old game, I can pull out plenty of verses myself.
Speaking of straw men, labeling people by their doctrine as "hyper grace" or "false grace" teachers is about as dishonest as you can be.
I've noticed you complain about being labeled and defend those accusations, so afford others the same respect, people are not Joseph Prince clones.
They read Scripture and they believe what they believe. Just as you do. None of us are perfectly correct. We can all learn from each other if we choose to serve one another in humility and honor. Just as Christ empowers us to do.
It's not a straw man at all.
Either you are righteous by Him or by you.
If you want to play the Scripture new and old game, I can pull out plenty of verses myself.
Speaking of straw men, labeling people by their doctrine as "hyper grace" or "false grace" teachers is about as dishonest as you can be.
I've noticed you complain about being labeled and defend those accusations, so afford others the same respect, people are not Joseph Prince clones.
They read Scripture and they believe what they believe. Just as you do. None of us are perfectly correct. We can all learn from each other if we choose to serve one another in humility and honor. Just as Christ empowers us to do.
The hyper grace teaching, is the end time deception teaching which are the same as the Nicoliatans which Jesus hated.
One hyper grace teacher said, "When I sin, I am blessed, because God's not counting my sins against me".
The same man also said, "The only qualification we need to go up in the rapture, is to be alive on earth at that time",
Then he said, "We don't have to be faithful or holy, Just here at the time".
And every scripture that proves them wrong, They say it's not for the Church.
I am bowing out of this thread as it is turning into another one of those "bashing" Christians that have a different view on some scripture then they do type of thread.
I'll leave people to indulge their flesh as much as they want to castigate those that view a scripture differently then you do.
Have a great day and God bless you! We really have a good, good, loving Father and a great salvation in our Lord. I encourage people to trust in Him - He is faithful to all of us!
I'll leave people to indulge their flesh as much as they want to castigate those that view a scripture differently then you do.
Have a great day and God bless you! We really have a good, good, loving Father and a great salvation in our Lord. I encourage people to trust in Him - He is faithful to all of us!
The above statment is a constant straw man accusation which tries to bash anyone who preaches an obedient walk of faith by being empowered by Christ our righteousness. Beware of those who constantly try to misrepresent others beliefs in order to deceive, this is not a fruit of the Holy Spirit.