Peter's Hope

  • Christian Chat is a moderated online Christian community allowing Christians around the world to fellowship with each other in real time chat via webcam, voice, and text, with the Christian Chat app. You can also start or participate in a Bible-based discussion here in the Christian Chat Forums, where members can also share with each other their own videos, pictures, or favorite Christian music.

    If you are a Christian and need encouragement and fellowship, we're here for you! If you are not a Christian but interested in knowing more about Jesus our Lord, you're also welcome! Want to know what the Bible says, and how you can apply it to your life? Join us!

    To make new Christian friends now around the world, click here to join Christian Chat.

WebersHome

Senior Member
Dec 9, 2014
1,940
34
0
-
1Pet 3:15 . . Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks
you to give the reason for the hope that you have.

That passage should probably always accompany this next one.

Rom 8:23-25 . .We ourselves, who have the first-fruits of the Spirit, groan
inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons: the redemption of our
bodies. For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at
all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not
yet have, we wait for it patiently.

The New Testament Greek word for "hope" in those passages is elpis (el
pece') which means to anticipate (usually with pleasure) and to expect with
confidence. Note the elements of anticipation, and expectation, and
confidence.

Webster's definition of hope as a verb is very similar: 1) to desire with
expectation of obtainment, and 2) to expect with confidence and trust. Note
the elements of expectation, and confidence, and trust.

Webster's definition of hope as a noun is: 1) a desire accompanied by
expectation of, or belief in, fulfillment, and 2) expectation of fulfillment or
success. Note the elements of expectation, and belief.

In other words: elpis hope is a know-so hope rather than a cross your
fingers hope.

The plan of salvation includes not only rescue from the second death
depicted at Rev 20:11-15, but also rescue from fear of the unknown. In
other words: people lacking elpis hope cannot reasonably expect to obtain a
better body in the afterlife— one that's superior in all respects to the body
they have now. Beneficiaries of elpis hope know for certain that they have a
better body in the bag.

That's what it means to be "saved by hope". In other words: spared fear of
the unknown. (cf. 1Cor 15:51-54)

Rom 12:12 . . Rejoicing in hope.

When people are praying for the best, while in the back of their mind
dreading the worst, they have absolutely no cause for rejoicing; no; but they
do have plenty of cause to fear the unknown.

Does an adherent of Catholicism have elpis hope? I don't think so; and in
point of fact, Church dogma forbids having it.

Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16: If anyone says that he
will for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty, have that great gift
of perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned this by a
special revelation, let him be anathema. (cf. CCC 1020)

Webster's defines "anathema" as: a ban or curse solemnly pronounced by
ecclesiastical authority and accompanied by excommunication.

Since Rome doesn't permit elpis hope, then it's de facto that Rome's
constituents can't possibly comply with Peter's command to give a reason for
having it.

Catholicism's hope is not Peter's elpis hope; but rather, a somewhat nervous
state of anxiety and wishful thinking that hovers within a hair's breadth of
bitter disappointment.

The Council aside; it only stands to reason, that any candidate for a better
body who is in the process of working out their own salvation with fear and
trembling as per Rome's interpretation of Phlp 2:12, cannot possibly have
elpis hope.

Think about it. If a candidate for salvation is still in the process of working
out their own salvation with fear and trembling, then it's obvious they do not
believe themselves to have a better body locked in yet; ergo: no
conscientious Catholic can honestly look forward to a better body with a
100% doubt-free expectation of obtaining it; viz: they do not yet have the
kind of hope about which Peter wrote in 1Pet 3:15, nor the kind of hope
about which Paul wrote in Rom 8:23-25; and if they claim otherwise, they're
not only putting up a front, but they also merit the penalty of Council of
Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon 16.

The point is; no conscientious Catholic dare attest that they have a new,
superhuman, immortal body in the bag because Rome's version of
Christianity offers no guarantees; not even for its Popes nor even for its
outstanding nuns like Mother Teresa.

The best that Rome can offer its followers is a shot at a better body. But the
fact is; Rome's followers have nothing certain to look forward to. That's a
very bad way to face death.

The hope that Catholicism offers is a kind of wishful thinking that can be
labeled as "hope against hope" which Webster's defines as: to hope without
any basis for expecting fulfillment. viz: a chance; which is sort of like the
cross-your-fingers experienced by Las Vegas gamblers. They desire to win,
and there's a chance they might win; but there's no guarantee they will win.

The New Testament's gospel is good news of great joy (Luke 2:10).
Catholicism's gospel is neither good nor joyful; no, it's borderline despair, as
anybody with even a cursory knowledge of Catholicism can attest. Many a
prospective convert to Christianity has given up on it simply because they
were introduced to Christianity via Catholicism; which is a discouraging
version of Christianity that makes Heaven virtually impossible to obtain; and
leaves people in doubt about the future, and anxious about their personal
safety.

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
 
so the purpose of this post is based in what? is it love? is it truly a heartfelt desire to see other you perceive being in some sort of deception freed from it? or is it rooted elsewhere?
 
The reason for my hope is... I don't want to go to hell, and I do want to be with my Father.
 
:hrmm: indeed brothers and sisters
as it is written
:read:
Juan: 14. 11. Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake.
12. Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

:ty:

godbless us all always
 
.
1Pet 1:3 . . Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his
great mercy we have been born anew to a living hope

OBJECTION: It appears to me that according to Matt 16:16 and Jer 17:13,
God is the living hope rather than resurrection to an immortal body.

RESPONSE: The Hebrew word for "hope" in Jer 17:13 means pretty much
the same as the Greek word for hope in 1Pet 3:15. In other words; neither
language for hope speaks of wishful thinking and/or someone crossing their
fingers and praying for the best while in the back of their mind dreading the
worst.

OBJECTION: According to CCC 1843, Catholics have a hope because it says
"By hope we desire, and with steadfast trust await from God, eternal life and
the graces to merit it."

RESPONSE: CCC 1843 doesn't say by hope we "expect". It says by hope we
"desire". The catechism has to say desire or otherwise it would contradict
Council of Trent Session 6, Chapter 16, Canon16, which reads: If anyone
says that he will for certain, with an absolute and infallible certainty, have
that great gift of perseverance even to the end, unless he shall have learned
this by a special revelation, let him be anathema.

Every conscientious Catholic desires eternal life, but of course none are
permitted to be 100% confident that they'll get it except they know so by a
special revelation.

In contrast to both the Canon and the Catechism; the supreme pope of the
Roman Catholic Church teaches thus:

"You know that you were ransomed from the futile ways inherited from your
fathers, not with perishable things such as silver or gold, but with the
precious blood of Christ, like that of a lamb without blemish or spot.

. . . He was destined before the foundation of the world but was made
manifest at the end of the times for your sake. Through him you have
confidence in God, who raised him from the dead and gave him glory, so
that your faith and hope are in God." (1Pet 1:18-21)

The Greek word for "hope" in that passage is the very same word for hope in
1Pet 3:15. In a nutshell: Catholicism's supreme pope was 100% fully
assured that he had absolutely nothing to fear about the afterlife due to the
ransom that Christ paid to rescue his soul from the consequences of his
futile ways, i.e. any and all conduct that would normally put Peter in
jeopardy of humanity's worst nightmare.

Now if Catholicism's supreme pope was confident that Christ's ransom was
sufficient to spare him the sum of all fears, then all Catholics everywhere
should be 100% fully assured too; but I dare say you may experience
difficulty finding one who is. Hell is in the back of every conscientious
Catholic's mind right along with the very real possibility of their ending up in
that awful place in spite of their being informed that the purpose that Christ
went to the cross was to rescue their souls from that very fate.
_
 
-
1Pet 3:15 . . Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks
you to give the reason for the hope that you have.
1peter3-15-s.png


1 Peter 3:15 :)
 
.
1Pet 1:3 . . Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! By his
great mercy we have been born anew to a living hope

According to the language and grammar of that passage: Peter, along with
the folk to whom he penned his letter, successfully underwent the birth
about which Jesus spoke at John 3:3-8.

FAQ: How did they do it?

A: Anyone can do this for themselves right now, today, wherever they are
and without the assistance of clergy-- they and Christ one-on-one just as he
was one-on-one with Nicodemus, and one-on-one with the Samaritan
woman.

The birth consists of two supernatural components; water and spirit.

According to John 4:10-14, the water component is available simply by
speaking up and requesting it.

According to John 7:37-39, the spirit component is also available simply by
speaking up and requesting it.

In other words; both components are totally free of charge and no strings
attached. The only requirement is thirst. (cf. 1Cor 12:13 and Rev 22:17)

So, here's what you do.

Find a private moment, and in a quiet, audible voice, speak to Christ and
request the water and the spirit.

FAQ: Jesus is way up in heaven and I'm way down here on the ground. How
is he supposed to hear me?

A: Christ is both human and divine (John 1:1-14). Don't worry, he'll hear
you alright; nothing escapes his notice.
_