Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh

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ladylynn

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disciplemike said:
it is concepts like this that cause the church to look like the rest of the world. everything is okay? no worries?
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YES., if you have Jesus? YES!!! and YES!!! It's NOT thinking like this that causes the church to look like the rest of the world worried and fearful of men and what they can do. The Bible says not to fear. The Bible says the fear of man brings a snare.

When we stand on the Rock of our salvation there is nothing to fear. For God has NOT given us the spirit of fear., but of POWER and LOVE and a SOUND MIND. Amen. Thank You Jesus.
 
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Grace777x70 said:

"if" you are a man ( and you are ) then you are a male.

The "if" is there to show that "we do in fact" walk in the light if you are a believer....it's a position in Christ - we are children of light. "if" you are not a believer then you do not have the blood of Jesus cleansing you.

Here is a thread that speaks all about his for you. It'll bless you when you see the truth of the magnificence of Christ's work for us.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/128864-walk-light.html
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AWESOME!! I didn't read this till after I posted in my excitement lol. Great link and post Grace777!!
 
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seed_time_harvest said:
What do you call a person that tells lies?
A Liar...

What do you call a person that steals?
A thief...

Ect...... If you have did any of these,you have broken GODs law.

What do you,mean prove that there Is a law to repent of?
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Careful Brother, or you will become the "Resident Legalist #2" just behind me. I'm pretty sure I'm still #1
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No...that is 2 separate things. Sin being cleansed by the blood of Jesus is because of what He did.

Not changing because of grace is a common mis-understanding.

Grace never leaves you where you are. Grace is never a license to do whatever you want....some may think that because of the gospel. Paul was accused of saying people can sin all they want as he says he was "slanderously" reported.

There are 2 aspects to grace. The very first thing that Jesus does with the woman caught in adultery is that He gets rid of her accusers - the religious Pharisees that wanted to condemn her because the "bible" said so in the Old Covenant...she was to be stoned. ( the law condemns us )

Jesus was the only one qualified to condemn her but He didn't.

1) acceptance grace - which has nothing to do with our behavior - as seen with the woman caught in adultery. Our Lord beautifully says " I do not condemn you".

It is in knowing you are not condemned that releases the other aspect of grace.

2) now, go and sin no more - this is empowering grace.

Empowering grace enables you to be who the Father sees you are in Christ now because you are a new creation in Him.


The religious mindset says to the woman caught in adultery - 'Do not sin and we will not condemn you."

The grace of God and the blood of Jesus speaks of better things in this New Covenant of grace!

"Knowing" that we are not condemned in Christ "releases" the life of the empowering grace to transform us. It's all about Christ! It's His fruit being manifested in us!

Acceptance grace which is not based on our behavior needs to be cemented in our hearts before empowering grace is able to be manifested.


What believers in a self-effort/self-performance D.I.Y. holiness/righteousness based mindset and the self-appointed "fruit inspectors" have a very hard time with is the "acceptance grace" part...this just drives them nuts...and I understand why..it is scandalous and it "conflicts" with their religious man-made traditions. I know it did mine too!...:)
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Terrific post and well worth posting again and again. As I've heard before by many believers who have had a revelation of the grace of God., it's the too good to be true news that IS true!!! Humanly speaking it sounds waaaay tooooo good to be true and even blasphemous to the unrenewed mind because such a GIFT doesn't sound possible.

But this is Father God we are talking about., His ways are NOT our ways! His LOVE is NOT like ours. And until we realize just how much that is true., and until we are willing to accept that truth above our own., of just how AMAZING AND LOVING HE ACTUALLY IS., we will not be able to have faith in Him and what He has accomplished for us in Christ.

Until we believe how much He loves us., we will live a just get by by the skin of our teeth Christian life crawling in the pig pen like the prodigal son living in fear and poverty when all along he was a son, he had a Father who welcomed him and was waiting for him the whole time. We are sheep not piggies. We have a Good Shepherd that wants to look after us. He will lead us if we follow Him and not our own ways. He never drives us., He leads us along..."through shady green pasture so rich and so free God leads His dear children along" (just popped into my mind)

"Mercy there was great and grace was free...pardon there was multiplied to me., there my burden soul found liberty at Calvary"
 
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JOB 1:8-9.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him
in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

1COR. 7:1.
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness
of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

HEB.12:28.
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace,
whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and Godly fear:

1PETER 2:17.
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the King.

REV. 19:5.
And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye His servants, and you that fear Him,
both small and great.

if there are truly those out there in this wicked world who do not FEAR God, then, this is a sure sign
that they have never come into His Holy Presense....

the first thing that He gets across to those He calls is that He is in charge, and that there
are indeed consequences for dis-obedience and rebellion...but, it you truly feel the
Glory, the Might, and the Eternal Power, then it takes the biggest kind of fool to
double-cross The Lord.
come into His Holy presense.
 
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FreeNChrist

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oldethennew said:
JOB 1:8-9.
And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him
in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?

Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

1COR. 7:1.
Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness
of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

HEB.12:28.
Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace,
whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and Godly fear:

1PETER 2:17.
Honour all men. Love the brotherhood. Fear God. Honour the King.

REV. 19:5.
And a voice came out of the throne, saying, Praise our God, all ye His servants, and you that fear Him,
both small and great.

if there are truly those out there in this wicked world who do not FEAR God, then, this is a sure sign
that they have never come into His Holy Presense....

the first thing that He gets across to those He calls is that He is in charge, and that there
are indeed consequences for dis-obedience and rebellion...but, it you truly feel the
Glory, the Might, and the Eternal Power, then it takes the biggest kind of fool to
double-cross The Lord.
come into His Holy presense.
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Wow. The first thing God got across to me was how much He loved me, in spite of the wretch that I was. And He has continued to get that across to me ever since. But, maybe that's just me.
 
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BUT, He does chastise those He loves. A loving Father chastises His children when they do err. Scripture tells us that.


(just saying)

:)
 
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p_rehbein

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BTW......you didn't tell me what you hoped to be a winner of.........and, yes, I said "he" when I surely meant SHE....forgive the slip.......in my defense......well, no defense, no, wait, blame it on my lightening swift and not so nimble FINGERS.

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HEB. 12:8. - But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.

as for hubby and myself, we were exceedingly sinful sinners and we desperately needed God's chastisement,
and we have ever since rejoiced in His Holy Correction...and now we cannot but follow His
straight and narrow way...
 
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FreeNChrist

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oldethennew said:
HEB. 12:8. - But if you be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are you bastards, and not sons.

as for hubby and myself, we were exceedingly sinful sinners and we desperately needed God's chastisement,
and we have ever since rejoiced in His Holy Correction...and now we cannot but follow His
straight and narrow way...
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See, that's just it. That was never meant to be a warning, to make us afraid of Him, as so many use it. It was meant to reassure us and prove to us that the God who loves us is indeed guiding us and watching over us.
 
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HisHolly

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Because He loved us that Christ died.. Does not do away with the requirements of being holy.. Keeping the curse and not having a crucified flesh will be of no value... He loved 1st so we should love 2nd.. And how?? Crucified flesh... Kill in you the very things that Christ had to die for.. He came to set us free but most still hold on... You mock Him and you'll be outside knocking.. His loves will save when you humble yourself and He'll show mercy.. but keeping sin is arrogant.. He loved how many that still died bc of disobeying??? Grace gives you the ability to obey, He will not excuse anyone who passed on the opportunity...
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Wow. The first thing God got across to me was how much He loved me, in spite of the wretch that I was. And He has continued to get that across to me ever since. But, maybe that's just me.
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A small question, How did God get across to you how much He loved you?

There is language here that I think we read in our own experiences but they may well
be very different.

I know how much Jesus loves me because of the cross. I know this not because I feel
warm and happy inside, I know this because Jesus died and rose again. My feelings follow
my realisation of this truth.

There are many who go into meditation, who accept themselves as they are, and get a
sense of love, but this is not Christs love they are feeling, but a mystical self acceptance
feeling.

Many have this experience but stay dry and empty inside. So though we use the same
words we can be implying something quite different.

This is why I ask, how did God show you He loved you?
 
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HisHolly

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The "it's ok we have Grace and He loves us" movement changes an unchanging God in that the OT they had all these demands to be holy and obedient, the NT all is done away with bc of love and grace... What?.. He has given us every opportunity to do what the old saints couldn't, keep His commands.. Jesus fulfilled them so we could keep them...
 
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To be holy and obedient.. Saving is free for those who believe
 
BenFTW

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HisHolly said:
The "it's ok we have Grace and He loves us" movement changes an unchanging God in that the OT they had all these demands to be holy and obedient, the NT all is done away with bc of love and grace... What?.. He has given us every opportunity to do what the old saints couldn't, keep His commands.. Jesus fulfilled them so we could keep them...
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That isn't the message. Listen to a grace preacher, and you'll find out you've been deceived into defaming these preachers simply because others disagree with them. They do not teach licentiousness as you have falsely heard. They teach victory over sin under grace.
 
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BenFTW said:
That isn't the message. Listen to a grace preacher, and you'll find out you've been deceived into defaming these preachers simply because others disagree with them. They do not teach licentiousness as you have falsely heard. They teach victory over sin under grace.
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Amen...well said Ben

I find it absolutely amazing how some people "twist" what is being said to make it "appear" it's saying something else. I have seen people telling others over 50x times what they believed and the other people still said the complete opposite of what was really said.

They put their own "slant" on what is being said and then "reformulate" it in their own minds as if it is true. Then they attack with this premise that is pre-fabricated. It's mind-boggling how that happens. Either they are being dis-honest or they are just totally deceived that some thing else is being said when in fact it isn't.

Sometimes it's just best to ignore these types as many times it just produces strife so it's best just to walk on in the Lord. There is nothing we can do to help them after telling them something 50x times - but the Holy Spirit can! - just like He did and is still doing in all of us.
 
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HisHolly said:
The "it's ok we have Grace and He loves us" movement changes an unchanging God in that the OT they had all these demands to be holy and obedient, the NT all is done away with bc of love and grace... What?.. He has given us every opportunity to do what the old saints couldn't, keep His commands.. Jesus fulfilled them so we could keep them...
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Jesus DOES intend that we keep them. This is true.
You say Jesus fulfilled them so that we could keep them.
What is the difference from before and after He died for us?
How do you keep them differently than those from before Jesus fulfilled them?
 
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Jesus fulfilled the requirement for an ultimate sacrifice, to show what Gods heart really is,
and to empower His people.

From then on being a jew is not necessary to know God. The letter of the law is not essential
but the precepts are.

The whole question of why we failed was because we did not understand God. In Jesus the light
has been switched on. The difference is in us seeing who God actually is, not us seeing who we
are in Christ.
 
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