Lynn, I understand what you are saying. Unless we get a truly conservative president and senate, SCOTUS make up will slant left. The problem with Clinton, and especially if the senate goes democratic, SCOTUS will be irrecoverably radical left. I'm 74 years old, it won't have a major impact on me, but it will be disastrous to my children and grandchildren.
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Cruz kissed Trumps backside no matter what Trump said...he didn't have a problem until Trump beat him... anyone that thinks Cruz is taking some moral position..just wants to believe that. It very simple he promised to support the winner ..he gave his word and pledge ...he is supposed to be the "Christian" in the group .... but its clear Trump was right about him all alone... Lying Ted!
Thankfully, many people think like you do and there are many reasons why.
Let's go back in history and reflect upon what Governor Livingston wrote back in 1753:
[SIZE=+1]William Livingston, "Of Party Divisions," Independent Reflector (1753).[/SIZE]
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[[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]William Livingston was a lawyer and a member of one of the dominant political families in the colony of New York. Livingston published his political philosophy in a series of essays during the 1750s, entilted [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]The Independent Reflector[/SIZE][SIZE=+1].][/SIZE]
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Of PARTY-DIVISIONS[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Factions amongst great Men, they are like Foxes; when their Heads are divided, they carry Fire in their Tails; and all the Country about them goes to Wreck for it.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]FROM the Moment that Men give themselves wholly up to a Party, they abandon their [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Reason, [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]and are led Captive by their [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]Passions. [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]The Cause they espouse, presents such bewitching Charms, as dazzle the judgment; and the Side they oppose, such imaginary Deformity, that no Opposition appears too violent; nor any Arts to blacken and ruin it, incapable of a specious Varnish. They follow their Leaders with an implicit Faith, and, like a Company of Dragoons, obey the Word of Command without Hesitation. Tho' perhaps they originally embark'd in the Cause with a View to the public Welfare; the calm Deliberations of Reason are imperceptibly fermented into Passion; and their Zeal for the common Good, gradually extinguished by the predominating Fervor of Faction: A disinterested Love for their Country, is succeeded by an intemperate Ardor; which naturally swells into a political Enthusiasm; and from that, easy is the Transition to perfect Frenzy. As the religious Enthusiast fathers the wild Ravings of his heated Imagination, on the Spirit of God; and is ready to knock down every Man who doubts his divine Inspiration; so the political Visionary miscalls his Party-Rage the Perfection of Patriotism; and curses the rational Lover of his Country, for his unseasonable Tepidity. The former may be reduced to his Senses, by shaving, purging, and letting of Blood; as the latter is only to be reclaim'd by Time or Preferment.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Next to the Duty we owe the Supreme BEING, we lie under the most indispensible Obligations, to promote the Welfare of our Country. Nor ought we to be destitute of a becoming Zeal and Fortitude, in so glorious a Cause: We should shew ourselves in earnest, resolute and intrepid. We cannot engage in a nobler Undertaking; and scandalous would be our Languor and Timidity, where the Sacrifice of our Lives, is no extravagant Oblation. Replete with such illustrious Examples, are the Annals of Antiquity, when the great Men of those heroic Ages, with a kind of glorious Emulation, exerted their Talents in the Service of their Country; and were not only contented, but pleas'd to die for the Common-Weal. . . .[/SIZE][SIZE=+1]But in vain doth Party-Spirit veil itself with the splendid Covering, of disinterested Patriotism: In vain usurp the Robe of Honour, to conceal its latent Motives. The Disguise may fascinate the Multitude; but appears transparent to the Unprejudiced and judicious. With all the Eulogiums due to the Advocates for Liberty, without Success doth the self-interested Projector attempt to impose on Men of Sense, with that respectable Appellation. A Zeal for our Country is glorious, but a Spirit of Faction infamous. . . .[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]When I see a Man warm in so important an Affair as the common Interest, I either suspend my judgment, or pass it in his Favour. But when I find him misrepresenting and vilifying his Adversaries, I take it for a shrewd Sign, that 'tis something more than the laudable Motive he pretends, which impels him with such Impetuosity and Violence.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]The great, as well as the little Vulgar, are liable to catch the Spirit of Mobbing; and cluster together to perpetrate a Riot, without knowing the Reason that set them in Motion. The genuine Consequence this, of Party-Rage and Animosityl For when once we suppress the Voice of Reason, by the Clamour of Faction, we are toss'd like a Vessel stripp'd of Sails and Rudder, at the Mercy of Wind and Tide: But 'tis a Solecism in Nature, that the best End in the World is to be attain'd by the worst Means; or that we cannot be Patriots, till we are fit for Bedlam.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]A Man of this Turn, is not half so intent upon reforming the Abuses of his own Party, as discerning the Errors of his Enemies. To view the Virtues of the Side he espouses, he uses the magnifying End of the Perspective; but inverts the Tube, when he surveys those of his Adversaries. Instead of an impartial Examination of the Principles he acts upon, or the Regularity of his Progress, he contents himself with exclaiming against the real or suppositious Faults of his Antagonists. In short, 'tis not so much the Goodness of his own Cause, as the exaggerated Badness of the other, that attaches him to his Leaders, and confirms him in his Delirium. Like a Set of Pagans, he makes the Spots in the Sun, a Reason for adoring the Moon.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]. . . A Man who would be overlook'd, or despis'd in times of universal Tranquility, may have a Quantum of Lungs and Impudence, to make himself seem necessary when the Publick is agitated with Storms, and thrown into Convulsions. Nay, a Fellow who has deserved to be hang'd by all Laws human and divine, for his Conduct in private Life, will spring up into an important Champion at the Head of a Party.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]"There is a particular Maxim among Parties (says a fine Writer) which alone is sufficient to corrupt a whole Nation; which is to countenance, and protect the most infamous Fellows, who happen to herd amongst them. It is something shocking to common Sense, to see the Man of Honour and the Knave, the Man of Parts and the Blockhead put upon an equal Foot, which is often the Case amongst Parties. The Reason is, he that has not Sense enough to distinguish right from wrong, can make a Noise; nay, the less Sense, the more Obstinacy, especially in a bad Cause; and the greater Knave, the more obedient to his Leaders, especially when they are playing the Rogue." Unspeakably calamitous have been the Consequences of Party-Division. It has occasioned Deluges of Blood, and subverted Kingdoms. It always introduces a Decay of publick Spirit, with the Extinction of every noble and generous Sentiment. The very Names of Things are perverted. On Fury and Violence it bestows the Appellation of Magnanimity and Opposition, and stiles Resentment and Rancour, Heroic Ardor, and Patriot-Warmth. Nor is it ever at a Loss for Pretences to bubble the Mob out of their Wits, and give its wildest Ravings a plausible Colour. . . .[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Thus as the designing Party-Man always appears in the Mask of publick Spirit, and conceals the most selfish and riotous Disposition, under the venerable Pretext of asserting Liberty, and defending his Country; so the ministerial Scribbler, taking Advantage of this frequent Prostitution, gives a sinister Turn to the most laudable Views, and stigmatizes every Man who opposes the Encroachments of the Court. Hence the Necessity of our greatest Caution in siding with either Party, till by a watchful observation in the Conduct of both, we have plainly discovered the true Patriot from the false Pretender.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1]Almost all the Mischiefs which Mankind groan under, arise from their suffering themselves to be led by the Nose, without a proper Freedom of Thought and Examination. Upon this Priestcraft has erected its stupendous Babel, and Tyranny rear'd her horrible Domination. And indeed, well may we expect, as the righteous Punishment of our Guilt, to be abandon'd by Heaven to Delusion and Error, if instead of obeying the Directions of that sacred Ray of the Divinity, in Virtue of which we claim kindred with the highest Order of Intelligences, we blindly surrender ourselves to the Guidance of any Man, or Set of Men whatever. And yet I have known Persons of good Sense, and Lovers of Liberty, so infatuated with Party, as to put a whole City and Country in Alarm, and struggle, as if it had been [/SIZE][SIZE=+1]pro uris et focis[/SIZE][SIZE=+1] to lift a Creature into a Post, who, after all the Bustle made on his Account, was fitter to guide the Tall of a Plough, than to fill an Office of Skill and Confidence: But their Breasts were inflamed with Party-Spirit, and had the Candidate been a Chimney-Sweep, or a Rope-Dancer, they would have exerted an equal Zeal and Activity. . . .[/SIZE]
Source: William Livingston, The Independent Reflector (February 22, 1753). *Some of the Latin quotations have been removed to protect the innocent.
While he was well known as a satirist, there can be no question that he was and remains correct: political parties cause social division.
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A. I wish you understood Godwin's Law. I didn't even infer anything about Trump there. I siad what I said. God puts people in charge of countries that aren't going to do good.
B. What question?
C. I think pledging was stupid! Kind of like saying, "You'll probably buy a new car in the next ten years, so give me the down payment now." Way too much assuming and no purpose but some version of saying, "See? I'm not a poor loser." As if that's the important thing or it even proves it.
B. What question?
C. I think pledging was stupid! Kind of like saying, "You'll probably buy a new car in the next ten years, so give me the down payment now." Way too much assuming and no purpose but some version of saying, "See? I'm not a poor loser." As if that's the important thing or it even proves it.
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lol You're absolutely right about the pledging to endorse the candidate. In Trump's (and any other candidate's) defense, the Republican party seems to hold it against the candidate if they don't give in to the mob. I remember during one of the Republican debates the crowd was boo'ing Trump for not pledging quickly enough.
This sort of goes back to Cruz standing his ground and not catering to the mob. I find it admirable.
This sort of goes back to Cruz standing his ground and not catering to the mob. I find it admirable.
Of course....I would rather my son seeing me being honorable than being a phony. Maybe Cruz really thinks he is doing the right thing. Every man is right in his own eyes after all. The way I see it tho is that the Cruz campaign first attacked Trumps wife with the racy photo spread, tried to paint her as this bimbo....trump responded to it like he does....tit for tat. Cruz lost the battle, got all butt hurt about it and did his usual righteous indignation.....and for the record, from the get go Cruz seemed disingenuous to me. All the way back to his green eggs and ham thing. Every time I see him on tv I feel like I'm watching the Adams family in syndication. Lol
I thought that was pretty much self explanatory... But since you brought up God, I don't think you need to pray to Him if someone insulted your wife to see if you needed to stand up for you. God did give us common sense and the ability to already know something rather than having to say it out loud (I.e., God first, stick up for my wife).
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I may still go for him because of this, but I do think we fell off that slippery slope. It's hard to vote for a guy who thinks he's going to protect the LGBTQ community too. What's that say about his future choices? We're just free falling now. We're Nineveh. Either God will bring America to him or destroy it.
I have no idea what you are talking about. The OP is about whether or not Cruz went back on his word. You asked a nonsensical question about Cruz controlling Trump. Me thinks you are confused. So far the only thing you have done is brought my personal life into this thread (which you know absolutely nothing about). Maybe you should just leave.
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This explains why you are so pro Trump. You see what you want to see and dismiss the rest.
Question: Why should I leave? I have been responding to the original post, have answered what I thought of what Cruz said, explained it from MY life, told you you have done the same thing, after you said you, personally, would never go against something you promised, got told by you that Cruz was controlling Trump, to others I went on to explain the problems I have with Trump that go along with why Cruz couldn't back Trump, and even said the pledge was stupid.
When did you become THE person who decides where any post goes? When did you become a mod? Or did you buy this site recently?
Amazing! You think you have full rights to question Cruz's choice, yet no one is allowed to question you? Bupkis! And when anyone questions you, you sidestep the question by saying something to effect that that's not the question/strawman/yada yada. Apparently, the only person on here who can ask questions is you, because no one else knows how to ask a question or is unqualified to ask. Seriously? Who are you to decide these things?
Question: Why should I leave? I have been responding to the original post, have answered what I thought of what Cruz said, explained it from MY life, told you you have done the same thing, after you said you, personally, would never go against something you promised, got told by you that Cruz was controlling Trump, to others I went on to explain the problems I have with Trump that go along with why Cruz couldn't back Trump, and even said the pledge was stupid.
When did you become THE person who decides where any post goes? When did you become a mod? Or did you buy this site recently?
Amazing! You think you have full rights to question Cruz's choice, yet no one is allowed to question you? Bupkis! And when anyone questions you, you sidestep the question by saying something to effect that that's not the question/strawman/yada yada. Apparently, the only person on here who can ask questions is you, because no one else knows how to ask a question or is unqualified to ask. Seriously? Who are you to decide these things?
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What? a tweet and a passing comment about his dad is more important than keeping his word to the American people? BS .... Cruz and his westboro Baptist types sent out all kinds of "pictures" against Trumps wife and used every dirty trick in politics.
So now we don't have to keep our promises to the American people if somebody insults our wife or dad? That's just stupid
So now we don't have to keep our promises to the American people if somebody insults our wife or dad? That's just stupid
If I were to back you with something job related but then you started taking ugly shots at family, then yeah. I would change my mind. Don't act all high and mighty when you've said one thing but later on changed your mind about it. Family is important. I have morals and principles I won't bend. Don't like my opinion? Too bad. If Trump's feelings are hurt cause of Cruz going back on what he said, then maybe Trump shouldn't be running. Cause a lot worse has been said, and will continue to be said.
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I sincerely want to see it from your perspective.
I don't want to bother you by repeating my questions. You are not obligated to answer to me. I just hope you willingly want to discuss in fruitful dialogue about this, especially since I might be the one in error here, and I want to be informed.
What was it that Cruz's campaign specifically did? Was this about the picture of the GQ meme of Melania? To my knowledge, that was not Cruz or his campaign. Do you feel super pacs work in concert to the presidential candidate they are wanting to win?
I don't want to bother you by repeating my questions. You are not obligated to answer to me. I just hope you willingly want to discuss in fruitful dialogue about this, especially since I might be the one in error here, and I want to be informed.
What was it that Cruz's campaign specifically did? Was this about the picture of the GQ meme of Melania? To my knowledge, that was not Cruz or his campaign. Do you feel super pacs work in concert to the presidential candidate they are wanting to win?
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I wonder.... if Cruz won the nomination, and instead of a super pac posting a meme of Melania naked, Cruz himself personally did it, if the Trump supporters would be disappointed in their man for NOT endorse Cruz. This isn't a strawman argument, just curious of this hypothetical scenario.
I find it hard to believe the Trump supporters would be grilling him for it. Instead, I would think the majority of his supporters would say, "No kidding he's not supporting Trump! What kind of man supports a man who meme's nude pictures of his wife? The pledge is totally abdigated at this point! It's stupid to suggest he'd hold true to it after Cruz blasted his wife!"
And for the record, if that did happen, I would back Trump 100%.
I find it hard to believe the Trump supporters would be grilling him for it. Instead, I would think the majority of his supporters would say, "No kidding he's not supporting Trump! What kind of man supports a man who meme's nude pictures of his wife? The pledge is totally abdigated at this point! It's stupid to suggest he'd hold true to it after Cruz blasted his wife!"
And for the record, if that did happen, I would back Trump 100%.