Repentance: A Boast in the Flesh
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what do you expect with pastors flooding the world with false doctrine that says doing what Jesus says to do is a "work of the flesh"...."you will surely die"....."surely you will not die". always boils down to what God said, and what the enemy feeds us in our mind. God commands repentance, has from beginning to the end of the word, still does today. But the other Guy calls repentance a "boast" lol if its a boast to accept and do what God says......ill take my chances and trust what He says...lol repentance a boast....I guess that bible stuff isn't for everyone
Sounds a little bit like this Calvanistic stance of predestination.
Humans do nothing thus any talk of actually responding is seen as taking away glory that belongs to God. This is where the concept of once saved always saved comes from. Though there are variations of this teaching today.
But then on the other hand there is the Catholic view which makes our works meritus and thus is in error on the other side of the spectrum.
I think Arminius had the right view in which works were not meritus in any way or form but rather were a result of the Preeminent Grace of God. So while the Human would do things that some term flesh work here. It was a fruit not a root. If the fruit did not show then there was a problem with the root.
For example, If the branch does not bare fruit then clearly it is not grafted into Jesus properly. Having fruit is the sure result of the grace of God. Accepting Jesus as our sure saviour.
Humans do nothing thus any talk of actually responding is seen as taking away glory that belongs to God. This is where the concept of once saved always saved comes from. Though there are variations of this teaching today.
But then on the other hand there is the Catholic view which makes our works meritus and thus is in error on the other side of the spectrum.
I think Arminius had the right view in which works were not meritus in any way or form but rather were a result of the Preeminent Grace of God. So while the Human would do things that some term flesh work here. It was a fruit not a root. If the fruit did not show then there was a problem with the root.
For example, If the branch does not bare fruit then clearly it is not grafted into Jesus properly. Having fruit is the sure result of the grace of God. Accepting Jesus as our sure saviour.
H
Hi , grace and peace; I just want to add to all that you have been discussion. The issue of confessing our sins is not telling God how sorry we are of the sins we have committed. Confession in Greek means, saying the same thing that God says; so what has God said concerning us and our faults. he says that we have a high priest in heaven who is touched by our infirmities and weaknesses! so if i happen to sin, what do i confess then? i would say something like this; Heavenly Father, i thank you that at the cross Jesus dealt with the sinful nature and has made me a son of God? Thank you that He has not left me on my own; thank you that through him i have the boldness to come before you and obtain mercy and grace in times of need; thank you that the sacrificial work of Jesus Christ has cleaned me from every defilement; thank you that the image of Christ is being formed in me;;;;;etc. when you pray like this, what are you doing, you are confessing what God says about what he has done with the old you in Adam(the fallen man), and by so doing you are taking your eyes off your sins and are placing your absolute confidence in the savior who is able to save to the uttermost, them that come to Him, them that acknowledge that His saving grace far exceeds the fall of Adam!!!!!
I disagree to an extent. It says to confess your sin. note your position in Christ.
While i like the tenor of your points we do confess our sin. In other words we agree with God concerning our true nature as sinners. This opens the way for us to accept the Grace of God which is confessed as you have above.
The whole context of that passage is being able to agree with God that we are sinners and thus in need of forgiveness and cleansing.
notice the context:
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we say we have no sin we are deceived and do not know the truth.
But if we do the opposite and agree with God that we are sinners:
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The next verse basically says the opposite agian, that if we do not agree with God that we are sinners then we accuse God of being a liar:
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
So the point is to acknowledge that we are sinners. Then we are opened up for God to forgive and cleanse.
While i like the tenor of your points we do confess our sin. In other words we agree with God concerning our true nature as sinners. This opens the way for us to accept the Grace of God which is confessed as you have above.
The whole context of that passage is being able to agree with God that we are sinners and thus in need of forgiveness and cleansing.
notice the context:
1Jn 1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we say we have no sin we are deceived and do not know the truth.
But if we do the opposite and agree with God that we are sinners:
1Jn 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
The next verse basically says the opposite agian, that if we do not agree with God that we are sinners then we accuse God of being a liar:
1Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
So the point is to acknowledge that we are sinners. Then we are opened up for God to forgive and cleanse.
The only thing that saves us is the Grace of God,the gift,his Son and our Faith-belief that He has paid our sin debt in full.On judgement day our Lord has already paid the judgement that is against us with his life for breaking Gods law,the ten commandments.
Our repentance is not what saves us,only what our Lord has done for us saves us on that day of judgement.If one is thinking that our repenting of sin is part of what saves us,you need to rethink this.
To repent of our sin or not is the question.God is remaking all of us.Let him do it in his way at his pace. If you repent of sin,as i do,do it because you regret doing the sin,we belong to a Holy and Just God,if we do it because we think its part of what saves us we are taking the Glory away from the one who has saved us.
Jesus Christ has done it all,lets let him do the work he has started in all of us.
Our repentance is not what saves us,only what our Lord has done for us saves us on that day of judgement.If one is thinking that our repenting of sin is part of what saves us,you need to rethink this.
To repent of our sin or not is the question.God is remaking all of us.Let him do it in his way at his pace. If you repent of sin,as i do,do it because you regret doing the sin,we belong to a Holy and Just God,if we do it because we think its part of what saves us we are taking the Glory away from the one who has saved us.
Jesus Christ has done it all,lets let him do the work he has started in all of us.
Jesus closed the door on the five foolish virgins of Matt.25 and told them "I know you not."
Your interpretation of that is not correct.
In the Greek, "confess" does mean to literally 'acknowledge' the offence (hamartia - "sins"). And the Greek conditional ean for "If" is there too.
Thus it does not... mean to simply state how thankful you are that Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins. It means to recognize the offence you did, and repent of that offence, asking Jesus forgiveness. And then that's when the part applies that He cleanses us.
In the Greek, "confess" does mean to literally 'acknowledge' the offence (hamartia - "sins"). And the Greek conditional ean for "If" is there too.
Thus it does not... mean to simply state how thankful you are that Jesus died on the cross to forgive our sins. It means to recognize the offence you did, and repent of that offence, asking Jesus forgiveness. And then that's when the part applies that He cleanses us.
J
One of the first things I learned was never go to a pastor for advice.
I did that once and as I walked home afterward, I heard God laughing .. and then He said to me ... "What? I tell you not to do something an you want a second opinion" God speaks to us as individuals and no man has any right to intercede between you and God.
I did that once and as I walked home afterward, I heard God laughing .. and then He said to me ... "What? I tell you not to do something an you want a second opinion" God speaks to us as individuals and no man has any right to intercede between you and God.
I say ..NO
2 Corinthians 5:18-19 (NASB)
[SUP]18 [/SUP] Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation,
[SUP]19 [/SUP] namely, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and He has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
In the word-for-word accounts of the gospel being preached by Peter in Acts 10 and by Paul in Acts 13 - there is no mention of confessing sins. BUT there is the message that "Through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins"
I suppose one would have to know that they had sin in order to receive this forgiveness - but there was no confessing of sins by the people. ( I know this goes against modern day evangelical thinking )
I read this, asking myself what it is you are getting at. I can only go by what you have written concerning confessing sin. Thus I may get your intention wrong. I apologise if this is the case.
It seems to me that you think that the answer to this will validate your prior post. However it will not as your prior post does not concede to the context of the passage in question.
The simple answer to your question is "no". But the context of the text in question is not about confessing before God decided to save. 1 John 1:9.
The text is not talking about what Humans do before God decides to save but how humans should respond in light of Gods saving acts. Thus the answer to the above question does not inform the rendering of the Text in question.
Blessings.
It seems to me that you think that the answer to this will validate your prior post. However it will not as your prior post does not concede to the context of the passage in question.
The simple answer to your question is "no". But the context of the text in question is not about confessing before God decided to save. 1 John 1:9.
The text is not talking about what Humans do before God decides to save but how humans should respond in light of Gods saving acts. Thus the answer to the above question does not inform the rendering of the Text in question.
Blessings.
H
i think most believers are not yet acquainted with the present day ministry of the glorified Christ at the right hand of the father; they still deal with the Jesus of Nazareth who walked the face of the earth: they do not take into consideration what paul says in 2cor 5 16, that hence forth we no longer know any man after the flesh, not even Christ:
"So the point is to acknowledge that we are sinners. Then we are opened up for God to forgive and cleanse."
Likewise no disrespect intended, but I interpret your statement above being about only recognizing that we need Jesus' sacrifice upon the cross for us, and not about asking forgiveness of a specific sin.
The meaning of 1 John 1:9 about confessing our sins, is about confessing something we know we did wrong recently that will usually be something that weighs heavily on our mind (i.e., Holy Spirit bugging us, showing we need to repent of it).
Likewise no disrespect intended, but I interpret your statement above being about only recognizing that we need Jesus' sacrifice upon the cross for us, and not about asking forgiveness of a specific sin.
The meaning of 1 John 1:9 about confessing our sins, is about confessing something we know we did wrong recently that will usually be something that weighs heavily on our mind (i.e., Holy Spirit bugging us, showing we need to repent of it).
Yes every time the Holy Spirit convicts us of sin we acknowledge it/ agree with God and thus are open for forgiveness and cleansing.
However it is important to not get into symptomatic confession all the time. There is a deeper problem in which our sins are symptoms. I am not saying we should not confess specific sins, but rather acknowledge the deeper problem.
The key for this I see in the context again, it is not sin singular but sins plural. It is not some of our unrighteousness but all. I think John is speaking of a deeper problem that is the root of our symptoms/sins.
However it is important to not get into symptomatic confession all the time. There is a deeper problem in which our sins are symptoms. I am not saying we should not confess specific sins, but rather acknowledge the deeper problem.
The key for this I see in the context again, it is not sin singular but sins plural. It is not some of our unrighteousness but all. I think John is speaking of a deeper problem that is the root of our symptoms/sins.