Jude has the best title for hyper grace!
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So you condemn Paul because he believed in God faithfulness to His own and was charged with teaching 'let us continue in sin that grace may abound'? He had taught the grace of God in justifying the ungodly. But his point was that having been justified they were born by the Spirit which was why the charge against him was not true. Of course, unlike you, he believed with Jude that God could and would keep them to the end (Phil 1.6; Jude 24). The whole of Rom 3.24 - 8.39 is based on the assurance that God will keep to the end, You haven't got much confidence in God, have you? Whom he justified them He also glorified
but not in order to be saved. They are the consequence of being saved (Eph 2.6, 10.)
but not in order to be saved. They are the consequence of being saved (Eph 2.6, 10.)
how then can you think they were true believers? They were false teachers from the start.
Actually apostasy means what WE want it to mean. Does it mean the apostasy in the visible church (of which Jesus said there would be many whom He NEVER knew) or does it mean apostasy in the invisible church which God said could never be (John 6.39; 10.27-29).
Actually apostasy means what WE want it to mean. Does it mean the apostasy in the visible church (of which Jesus said there would be many whom He NEVER knew) or does it mean apostasy in the invisible church which God said could never be (John 6.39; 10.27-29).
:hrmm: and as the apostle of the gentiles said before
as it is written
:read:
Mga Taga-Filipos: 2. 12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
~;> AND AGAIN
:read: (as it is written)
24. But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly.
25. Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.
26. For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
27. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
28. I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.
29. Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:
30. Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.
:ty:
godbless us all always
as it is written
:read:
Mga Taga-Filipos: 2. 12. Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling.
13. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
14. Do all things without murmurings and disputings:
~;> AND AGAIN
:read: (as it is written)
24. But I trust in the Lord that I also myself shall come shortly.
25. Yet I supposed it necessary to send to you Epaphroditus, my brother, and companion in labour, and fellowsoldier, but your messenger, and he that ministered to my wants.
26. For he longed after you all, and was full of heaviness, because that ye had heard that he had been sick.
27. For indeed he was sick nigh unto death: but God had mercy on him; and not on him only, but on me also, lest I should have sorrow upon sorrow.
28. I sent him therefore the more carefully, that, when ye see him again, ye may rejoice, and that I may be the less sorrowful.
29. Receive him therefore in the Lord with all gladness; and hold such in reputation:
30. Because for the work of Christ he was nigh unto death, not regarding his life, to supply your lack of service toward me.
:ty:
godbless us all always
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John says anyone who goes beyond what is written doesn't have God. And when hyper grace says you no longer need to live by the word of God you go beyond what is written. Christ said "abide in me" and He is the word. Christ also said whoever doesn't remain in Him is cast aside and gathered to be burned.
[h=1]Titus 2:11-14 King James Version (KJV)[/h][FONT="]11 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.[/FONT]
[FONT="]12 Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;[/FONT]
[FONT="]13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;[/FONT]
[FONT="]14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.[/FONT]
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Look I'm not going to start an argument with you, but the truth is is that when hyper grace teaches you no longer have to abide by Christ teachings they no longer have a right to call themselves Christians. I know hyper grace people don't want to hear that, but it is the truth. They are no longer living by every word of God, but are just picking and choosing verses and living by and teaching the commandments of men.
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Well, I do not want to pick a fight with you either, but I do reserve the right to defend and contend for the truth and that includes God's grace.
To say that I no longer have the right to call myself a Christian, is you making a judgement about my standing in Jesus. I would be careful about this statement of condemnation.
To say that I no longer have the right to call myself a Christian, is you making a judgement about my standing in Jesus. I would be careful about this statement of condemnation.
L
well, I personally believe that everyone constantly calling people on this forum hyper grace when they are simply abiding in grace and have consistently denied the false claims of the hyper heresy hunters that sin is practiced after salvation and no worries cause God's got you covered, is going WAY BEYOND what scripture considers a useless and sinful arguement
what say you?
sinful to argue over the law and accuse others, FALSELY of doing things they do not do?
I think it's sinful
what say you?
sinful to argue over the law and accuse others, FALSELY of doing things they do not do?
I think it's sinful
I am. 
Or at least, that is the title given me by people trying to malign a belief system that agrees with God's word. I don't subscribe to people's false perceptions of hyper-grace theology, such as a license to sin, disobedience to Christ, no need for repentance, and so on. Those are all defamatory accusations against what people deem as "hyper-grace" but in fact, are not accurate depictions of what grace teachers are presenting.
Or at least, that is the title given me by people trying to malign a belief system that agrees with God's word. I don't subscribe to people's false perceptions of hyper-grace theology, such as a license to sin, disobedience to Christ, no need for repentance, and so on. Those are all defamatory accusations against what people deem as "hyper-grace" but in fact, are not accurate depictions of what grace teachers are presenting.
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I am. Or at least, that is the title given me by people trying to malign a belief system that agrees with God's word. I don't subscribe to people's false perceptions of hyper-grace theology, such as a license to sin, disobedience to Christ, no need for repentance, and so on. Those are all defamatory accusations against what people deem as "hyper-grace" but in fact, are not accurate depictions of what grace teachers are presenting.
Or at least, that is the title given me by people trying to malign a belief system that agrees with God's word. I don't subscribe to people's false perceptions of hyper-grace theology, such as a license to sin, disobedience to Christ, no need for repentance, and so on. Those are all defamatory accusations against what people deem as "hyper-grace" but in fact, are not accurate depictions of what grace teachers are presenting.
well apparently, I've been voted in also even though I never heard the term before on any other Christian forum and I have been in one forum or another for about 10 years now
the way I understand it, is that one person started using that term and convinced others to use it and now we have this very biased and ignorant understanding of grace and people are called greasy gracers and what have you
the accusations are constant and without validity and truth
anyway, I guess I am a member of a pretty special group of people, right? LOL!
