Jude has the best title for hyper grace!

[Stunnedbygrace]

Hypergrace is NOT God's Grace..... it is a grace replacement theology. Such false teachings always says their version is the original version & then twists scripture to spread their lies. This is how many false teachers/cults explain their beliefs.

No. I have seen the exact opposite happen in here. Teaching faith in Christ as the only way that we are made right with God is called hypergrace. But teaching faith in Christ as the only way to be made right with God is THE GOSPEL, so it is like saying one is replacing the gospel of grace through faith alone by teaching grace through faith alone. What could be more bizarre?

If one says that from start to finish, we are made right with God by faith in His Son alone, that IS the gospel, so how is it said to be a grace replacement theology? The teaching of the gospel of grace is being replaced by the teaching of the gospel of grace? It goes far beyond strange reasoning. It is using no reason at ALL...

There IS no gospel BUT the gospel of Gods' marvelous grace to us through the Lamb, our Lord. And it is using no reason at all to say that it is grace replacement theology to say that we are made right with God, from start to finish, by faith in Christ, what He did, and what He continues to do for us.

It just seems so impossible that one could preach the gospel of grace and be accused, because they preach this gospel of grace, of causing men to sin more and more.

And yet, this is exactly what Paul was accused of too...and it's what Jude said was happening - men claiming that this gospel of grace was lewdness. And in Romans also Paul said, they say that when we preach Gods' grace through Christ that we are really saying, go out and sin more and more. Paul said they should be condemned for saying it, because they were calling the blood unholy. That's calling light to be darkness.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

The true gospel of grace message says under grace sin shall not have dominion over you.

That part in red is where the false grace teachers are exposed.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

But if he had believed God he would have been accounted righteous apart from law (Rom 5.12-21_.

We know what the imputed righteousness of Christ by rebirth looks like by way of scripture....

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Again the part in red proves many of Hyper grace doctrine teachers and followers reprobate according to the words of God.

 

[oldethennew]

sin will never have dominion over us, unless we allow it...

 

[Grace777x70]

We know what the imputed righteousness of Christ by rebirth looks like by way of scripture....

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Again the part in red proves many of Hyper grace doctrine teachers and followers reprobate according to the words of God.

Nonsense...do you ever sin? are you sinless?..when you sin ( which you do) then you are putting yourself in the very same category as you put all others in with your "application" of some scriptures.

You do realize that malice and slander and things like these ( Gal 5:21 ) are just as much as walking according to the flesh as living a homosexual lifestyle or any of the other "biggie sins".

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

The true gospel of grace message says under grace sin shall not have dominion over you.

That part in red is where the false grace teachers are exposed.

They teach that sin has dominion over them...?
I have only heard them talk about true victory by trusting in Christ to give that victory.
And this is the ONLY thing God wants from us. To trust in the One He sent to do what He promised.
All He wants from us is to believe in Christ and what He has promised He will do by His Spirit in us and continual trust and abiding.
Not by might of men, but by MY SPIRIT, God said.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Jude 4-5 "For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not."


Titus 1:16
They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

God told Cain if he did well=doing good, that he would be accepted, but if he did not do well=not doing good, then Satan's desire would become his desire=sin.

Genesis 4:7
If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

So why was Cain not accepted and cast out?

1 John 3:12
Not as Cain, who was of that wicked one, and slew his brother. And wherefore slew he him? Because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous."


Doing good or evil matters.

What did Abel do that was good?
And what did Cain do that was not good?

 

[seed_time_harvest]

I dont believe Gods grace was anyones issue it was Joseph Prince's kind.

I dont know the man I just see his vids spammed throughout the forum but I dont watch them (an many others besides) so I cant really say anything.

Hi PilgrimPassingThru

You should watch the video In post#5,It explains how grace gets turned Into a license to sin very well.

If you really want to know,give the video a watch and If you are not enlightened,then when you say that you don't watch him,then although we may not agree with you at least we know you gave It due diligence and then we will know that seek truth.

Its all about JESUS.
Amen?

 

[valiant]

The true gospel of grace message says under grace sin shall not have dominion over you.

That part in red is where the false grace teachers are exposed.

what you call hyper grace often also teaches that sin will not have dominion over you. But it still certainly has a good try.

 

[valiant]

We know what the imputed righteousness of Christ by rebirth looks like by way of scripture....

1 John 5:18
We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not.

Again the part in red proves many of Hyper grace doctrine teachers and followers reprobate according to the words of God.

the imputed righteousness of Christ is not by rebirth. They are two separate though connected issues.

Rebirth RESULTS from being accounted as righteous by God. But our being accounted as righteous before God is solely through the imputing to us of Christ's righteousness, not as a result of rebirth. Justification is our standing before God. Rebirth is the resultant state which results In practical righteousness subsequent to salvation.

The verb you have put in red is the present tense and means 'continually sin' ('is not sinning'). Show me a man who never sins and I will show you one who is far from God. The nearer we get to God the more we are aware that we fall short.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

And what did Cain do that was not good?

Well he killed his righteous brother for starters. LOL!

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

the imputed righteousness of Christ is not by rebirth,

Wrong, Christ is our righteousness, without Christ being in you by being made a new man in Christ, by the rebirth from flesh to Spirit you cannot have His righteousness working in you. Without Him, you can do nothing.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Notice you have to be "in Christ".....

1 Corinthians 1:30
But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:


2 Corinthians 5:21

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

sin will never have dominion over us, unless we allow it...

A person born of the Spirit cannot sin because he/she Is born of GOD.

Paul said,he delighted In the law of GOD after the Inward man,but he saw another law In his flesh,warring against the law of his mind and bringing him Into captivity to the law of sin which was In his flesh.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

What did Abel do that was good?
And what did Cain do that was not good?

Abel brought a blood sacrifice.

Cain brought the fruits of his self effort.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Well he killed his righteous brother for starters. LOL!

Yes, but that was after God did not approve of his offering already. So he had already received the testimony that he did not please God. Of course, it devolved even further, but before he killed his brother, (who received the testimony that God approved of his offering), he had already not gained Gods' approval.

So what did he do wrong and his brother did right?

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Abel brought a blood sacrifice.

Cain brought the fruits of his self effort.

Exactly! So Abel understood something about getting right with God that his brother did not.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

Or you could say, Abel came into Gods' presence with a sin offering.
Cain came into Gods' presence with his own offering.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Yes, but that was after God did not approve of his offering already. So he had already received the testimony that he did not please God. Of course, it devolved even further, but before he killed his brother, (who received the testimony that God approved of his offering), he had already not gained Gods' approval.

So what did he do wrong and his brother did right?

To me Abel was foreshadowing the offering of Christ bringing the offering of the firstlings, or first fruits of the flock to the Father. But there is another sign and pattern that is echoed over, and over again throughout scripture, and that is the difference between the firstborn son, which is flesh, and the son born by election and seed of promise by the Spirit.

Cain of course had this sign shown in him as well being of that wicked seed, which is the serpents seed that had enmity between the woman's seed, or seed of Christ being the children of promise. Paul also showed this in Ishmael and Isaac, with Ishmael representing the firstborn who was flesh being under the bondage of sin, and Isaac representing the only begotten son being of the seed of promise in Christ.

This election according to God's mercy and grace is also shown in the firstborn Esau who came out red as a sign of this very thing, and Jacob being the chosen of God before either of them were born.

Romans 9:8-16

[SUP]8 [/SUP]That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For this is the word of promise, At this time will I come, and Sarah shall have a son.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
[SUP]11 [/SUP](For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.

[SUP]15 [/SUP]For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.

[SUP]16 [/SUP]So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy."

So we see this pattern of the firstborn,like Cain, who is born of the flesh, hating and persecuting his brother who is born of the Spirit.


Galatians 4:29

But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

I have thought Abel was told by his parents what God did to cover them and pondered it and called out to God and was given understanding. So since blood was shed to cover his parents sin, he brought blood. He came into Gods presence with the clothing he knew God accepted. His brother came without the proper clothing.