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First off, you're being exceptionally rude to Grace777x70. Basically telling him to get a life. You should simmer down, you're getting extremely personal. Secondly, this is the 2nd time you've posted that God, Himself, has spoken to you about Grace777x70 and to oppose him (now it is your "calling"), and to stand against grace teachings. First on repentance and now as a general statement that God has called you to "stand against the harmful lies you have been preaching" towards Grace777x70. I am not sorry to break it to you, but the Lord did not give you a mission statement of opposing Grace777x70 and to correct so called lies that only exalt His Son.
I almost feel like this is something that should be reported, truth be told. You have a right to free speech and to share as you wish but now you're getting extremely personal, offensive, and rude. On top of that you're saying that the Lord has called you to oppose what he teaches. Granted Grace777x70 has responded to you in meekness and gracefully, I think you need to calm down with the accusations that make him a liar, heretic, and false teacher that God has called you to oppose. You said the Holy Spirit through Grace's posts has revealed to you that he is preaching another gospel, or not a biblical faith. (post http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/138974-repentance-boast-flesh-22.html#post2711082 ) I am thinking you should be a little less vocal with these statements because, and in actuality, the Lord did no such thing. He will not contradict and oppose and diminish the work of Jesus Christ.
I think you've gone over into the deep end. You used to like all of these posts that were grace-filled. I am not sure what happened or what veil you perceive has been lifted off your eyes, but I can assure you someone has lied to you, or you're listening to someone or something that you shouldn't be. All of these "God told me", and "Holy Spirit revealed to me" expressly in reference to Grace777x70's posts on grace and it being "another gospel" is troublesome. Not that you don't hear the Lord, but you've gone full on going for the jugular mark him as a heretic and defame him mindset. I mean you're doing it passionately, vehemently opposing his posts lately. Seeing this, and knowing the truth, its so weird to see someone claiming my God has revealed this to them (that he is teaching another gospel) when that same Lord has taught me and brought me to an understanding of the grace Grace777x70 shares.
VVhat are we to do now?
I just read your post now Ben
I did not know that was her 'calling' at the moment
this is nonsense. it doesn't matter, I guess, if she dislikes Grace personally for one reason or another, but to state God told her to oppose him?
she is opposing all of us who agree with the biblical interpretation of grace
I don't know what's going on, but this issue is getting absurd...or the behavior of certain people anyway
you have to have a lot of nerve to make a statement that God told you to go after someone in a public forum
so much I would like to say, but wisdom dictates otherwise
what a mess
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I see you are currently in the thread Angela
I would consider it a favor, if you would take your campaign off somewhere else
I didn't start this thread so you can make over the top posts to other members here
I posted a very reasonable op...you should know better than to attack people
take it elsewhere..I don't need your HYPER hatred
if this is how you conduct yourself in other forums, I can understand why people are always, as you say, attacking you
did you ever think that maybe it is YOU? YOUR attitude?
I think you have gone rogue
I would consider it a favor, if you would take your campaign off somewhere else
I didn't start this thread so you can make over the top posts to other members here
I posted a very reasonable op...you should know better than to attack people
take it elsewhere..I don't need your HYPER hatred
if this is how you conduct yourself in other forums, I can understand why people are always, as you say, attacking you
did you ever think that maybe it is YOU? YOUR attitude?
I think you have gone rogue
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The words of some in this thread do not at all go along with the way Jesus would have talked.
Some may have different opinions and interpretations of things. We are not called to "bash" anyone for that, but to share our opinions and interpretations with respect and love and patience.
The way some people in this thread are talking is setting a bad example of Christianity and God's love and grace.
Speak with the words of love and patience Jesus had.
Thank you
Some may have different opinions and interpretations of things. We are not called to "bash" anyone for that, but to share our opinions and interpretations with respect and love and patience.
The way some people in this thread are talking is setting a bad example of Christianity and God's love and grace.
Speak with the words of love and patience Jesus had.
Thank you
If the stories were true, which I am doubtful, then the people who returned to their sinful lifestyle in licentiousness didn't understand Grace any better than legalists or judaizers.
They've turned away from the Lord. Which I cannot fathom.
If you had an easy yoke and rest why would you go back to being heavily burdened? Did you just not understand?
They've turned away from the Lord. Which I cannot fathom.
If you had an easy yoke and rest why would you go back to being heavily burdened? Did you just not understand?
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Ultimately it is about a deeper understanding and belief of God's grace. People want to partake it is there for them.
My understanding is deeper and I am praise God every day that the situations that pushed me to dig deeper occurred so that I could be released from a theology which limited God to one of belief.
We minimize the love of God and hold onto condemnation as though as though grace was a one time event never to be seen again in the life of the believer.
He offers His Love and you say no because it may cause me to sin more!! How strange is that thinking.
It is NOT a one time event.... it is instead abundant and abounding....... Jesus Himself told us this many times.
Who would argue against a fuller deeper relationship?
My understanding is deeper and I am praise God every day that the situations that pushed me to dig deeper occurred so that I could be released from a theology which limited God to one of belief.
We minimize the love of God and hold onto condemnation as though as though grace was a one time event never to be seen again in the life of the believer.
He offers His Love and you say no because it may cause me to sin more!! How strange is that thinking.
It is NOT a one time event.... it is instead abundant and abounding....... Jesus Himself told us this many times.
Who would argue against a fuller deeper relationship?
Also, it is not necessarily about the vastness of some people's Bible knowledge or how long a person has been saved and our varied personal experiences that reveals the grace of God in Christ. There are many believers who have neither maturity or tons of Bible knowledge under their belt but DO have faith in the love of God IN Christ and the walking in the Holy Spirit.
There are many here who have both maturity and Bible knowledge under their belts and yet call others here who believe differently then them enemies and heretics. When the Bible talks about thinking too highly of ourselves I think it is speaking also about our own opinions and ideas about what (we think and believe) the Bible is saying. And IF in that understanding, seeing how (well or poorly) we relate to others by giving or not giving them "place" by loving them anyway.
There are so many different and varied understandings and revelations in the Bible that believers have or have yet to have. I think the wise Christian will go to 1 Cor.13 for personal checks and balances. None of us have the total 100% accurate understanding of the Bible yet. We all have tons and tons more yet to learn and uncover about Jesus and ourselves in relation to Him.
The Excellence of Love
13 If I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, but have not [SUP][a][/SUP]love [for others growing out of God’s love for me], then I have become only a noisy gong or a clanging cymbal [just an annoying distraction]. [SUP]2 [/SUP]And if I have the gift of prophecy [and speak a new message from God to the people], and understand all mysteries, and [possess] all knowledge; and if I have all [sufficient] faith so that I can remove mountains, but do not have love [reaching out to others], I am nothing. [SUP]3 [/SUP]If I give all my possessions to feed the poor, and if I surrender my body [SUP][b][/SUP]to be burned, but do not have love, it does me no good at all.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Love endures with patience and serenity, love is kind and thoughtful, and is not jealous or envious; love does not brag and is not proud or arrogant. [SUP]5 [/SUP]It is not rude; it is not self-seeking, it is not provoked [nor overly sensitive and easily angered]; it does not take into account a wrong endured. [SUP]6 [/SUP]It does not rejoice at injustice, but rejoices with the truth [when right and truth prevail]. [SUP]7 [/SUP]Love bears all things [regardless of what comes], believes all things [looking for the best in each one], hopes all things [remaining steadfast during difficult times], endures all things [without weakening].
[SUP]8 [/SUP]Love never fails [it never fades nor ends]. But as for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for the gift of special knowledge, it will pass away. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For we know in part, and we prophesy in part [for our knowledge is fragmentary and incomplete]. [SUP]10 [/SUP]But when that which is complete and perfect comes, that which is incomplete and partial will pass away. [SUP]11 [/SUP]When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. [SUP]12 [/SUP]For now [in this time of imperfection] we see in a mirror dimly [a blurred reflection, a riddle, an enigma], but then [when the time of perfection comes we will see reality] face to face. Now I know in part [just in fragments], but then I will know fully, just as I have been fully known [by God]. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And now there remain: faith [abiding trust in God and His promises], hope [confident expectation of eternal salvation], love [unselfish love for others growing out of God’s love for me], these three [the choicest graces]; but the greatest of these is love.
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Brethren. I believe enough has been said about Angela and I am asking for all of us to leave her alone now. I hold nothing against her and I believe she has a good heart for the Lord and that she means well.
Let's bless her and leave her in the hands of her loving Lord and our Father because all of us can do nothing without Him and none of us know it all. Let us extend grace to her as we too have had great grace extended to us by our Lord.
Thank you...All is well! ( psst I read the back of the book and we all win in Christ our Lord! )
- we have many great and mighty things to discuss about the greatness, love and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ to all of us, so let's do that and lift Him up.
Let's bless her and leave her in the hands of her loving Lord and our Father because all of us can do nothing without Him and none of us know it all. Let us extend grace to her as we too have had great grace extended to us by our Lord.
Thank you...All is well! ( psst I read the back of the book and we all win in Christ our Lord! )
- we have many great and mighty things to discuss about the greatness, love and grace of our Lord Jesus Christ to all of us, so let's do that and lift Him up.
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Your wife sounds very wise in our Lord!
Another way to put "cut them some slack" would be to say: you were freely forgiven and so you give what you received and forgive them. But whoever is forgiven little, also forgives little. But he who was forgiven much also forgives much.
It is despicable to not freely give what God has given us! Will we "charge" someone for something we were given?? God forbid!
Another way to put "cut them some slack" would be to say: you were freely forgiven and so you give what you received and forgive them. But whoever is forgiven little, also forgives little. But he who was forgiven much also forgives much.
It is despicable to not freely give what God has given us! Will we "charge" someone for something we were given?? God forbid!
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I had some difficulty falling asleep last night cause it was stuffy hot out and I drank coffee too late
I was thinking about alot of things and you know, your mind can kind of go all over the place at a time like that; however, I had one thought I think (I thought a think) may have been inspired
I suddenly really had the insight that the letters Paul wrote were.....LETTERS!!!!! wanna bet he never intended them to be chiseled in stone like the 10 commandments?
I can hear the gasps now! sacrilege! blasphemy! adulteress! etc
put the stones down, I'm not done (not you Willy)
the parallel or corresponding think was that ... and hang on cause you have to be able to hold 2 thoughts in your mind at the same time... Paul would have pulled his hair out if he would have thought that dumbed down humans 2000 years later would esteem those letters greater than a personal relationship with their Creator
how dare I
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Yes., life is hard at times but Jesus came to give us life and that more abundantly. Not only in heaven but now too. There are promises for us that many of us have never claimed as ours and have yet to do so. I love Psalm 91 and have been memorizing it for the last year. Also, Psalm 23. They are for us today right now. We can't look at others lives or even our own experiences ABOVE the truth of God's Word and how it will change us when we get a revelation of it by the Holy Spirit. Even our own experiences are not to be emphasized above the Bible truth we read. HOW GREAT IS THAT!!!!!
His Word and His promises are new every day. It's like fresh bread to us if we learn to approach it that way with an expectation of good coming from our Father who loves us. I'm finding when I go to His Word and read the promises as mine and walk in those promises life changes. I have an expectation for good and not evil. That is a major truth in itself. Learning to have faith and expectation of the good He will do in our lives. It's having faith in the love of God for us and that pleases Him.
The Lord is my Shepherd [to feed, to guide and to shield me],
I shall not want.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]
He lets me lie down in green pastures;
He leads me beside the still and quiet waters.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]
He refreshes and restores my soul (life);
He leads me in the paths of righteousness
for His name’s sake.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]
Even though I walk through the [sunless] [SUP][a][/SUP]valley of the shadow of death,
I fear no evil, for You are with me;
Your rod [to protect] and Your staff [to guide], they comfort and console me.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]
You prepare a table before me in the presence of my enemies.
You have anointed and refreshed my head with [SUP][b][/SUP]oil;
My cup overflows.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]
Surely goodness and mercy and unfailing love shall follow me all the days of my life,
And I shall dwell forever [throughout all my days] in the house and in the presence of the Lord.
Security of the One Who Trusts in the Lord.
91 He who [SUP][a][/SUP]dwells in the shelter of the Most High
Will remain secure and rest in the shadow of the Almighty [whose power no enemy can withstand].
[SUP]2 [/SUP]
I will say of the Lord, “He is my refuge and my fortress,
My God, in whom I trust [with great confidence, and on whom I rely]!”
[SUP]3 [/SUP]
For He will save you from the trap of the fowler,
And from the deadly pestilence.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]
He will cover you and completely protect you with His pinions,
And under His wings you will find refuge;
His faithfulness is a shield and a wall.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]
You will not be afraid of the terror of night,
Nor of the arrow that flies by day,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]
Nor of the pestilence that stalks in darkness,
Nor of the destruction (sudden death) that lays waste at noon.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]
A thousand may fall at your side
And ten thousand at your right hand,
But danger will not come near you.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]
You will only [be a spectator as you] look on with your eyes
And witness the [divine] repayment of the wicked [as you watch safely from the shelter of the Most High].
[SUP]9 [/SUP]
Because you have made the Lord, [who is] my refuge,
Even the Most High, your dwelling place,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]
No evil will befall you,
Nor will any plague come near your tent.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]
For He will command His angels in regard to you,
To protect and defend and guard you in all your ways [of obedience and service].
[SUP]12 [/SUP]
They will lift you up in their hands,
So that you do not [even] strike your foot against a stone.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]
You will tread upon the lion and cobra;
The young lion and the serpent you will trample underfoot.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]
“Because he set his love on Me, therefore I will save him;
I will set him [securely] on high, because he knows My name [he confidently trusts and relies on Me, knowing I will never abandon him, no, never].
[SUP]15 [/SUP]
“He will call upon Me, and I will answer him;
I will be with him in trouble;
I will rescue him and honor him.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]
“With a long life I will satisfy him
And I will let him see My salvation.”
Hmmm! But if God declared a an unbeliever lost because of his sin, how can he then declare him righteous? He would be going back on the standing He has given him?
My preceding statement doesn't make good Biblical sense you would argue? I don't see it as essentially more nonsense than the statement you made.
Making statements doesn't prove anything - what matters is what God says in His Word.