Jesus and mary magdalene

[Magenta]

I already responded to you in posts 42 and 45.

This conversation is getting nowhere because you don't understand who Jesus Christ is.

All of you jumped over my head when I said that Jesus Christ did not show erotic inclination towards women. And your reaction shows that erotism is something bad and dirty. Someone even said that my mind was dirty. Why this hypocrite reaction when this thread proposes to us the hypothesis that Jesus Christ was married.

So how is it? Is erotism bad or not? Is sexual instinct a genuine human need or not?

Why would God need a wife?

That is not all you said. You talked of carnal passions as if they were sinful, referring to sexual love as cheap sexual intrigue and then denied it in typical hypocrite fashion. You pretend that to suggest Jesus could have been married is blasphemy and an attack on His divinity. Girl, you don't even know what blasphemy is. You:

Where does Jesus Christ show erotic inclination towards a woman? Perhaps you confuse Jesus Christ with Zeus. Zeus was indeed a god attracted by women and a god submitted to such carnal passions. To say the same about Jesus Christ is plain blasphemy AND an attack to his divinity. His divinity is not the same with Zeus "divinity".

Leave Jesus Christ out of cheap sexual intrigues, please... this stuff is for the consumers of mediocre litterature.

 

[Adstar]

Jesus and the pharisees were speaking of the next world, "whos wife will she be in the next world?". we are talking about this world right here right now. Jesus once taught in this world right here right now. and that time is what the focus is on.

Still it is wrong to say Jesus desired a wife..

And marriage is only needed when someone wants to have Children.. That is what marriage is for.. Two people don't have to get married to love each other.. As some have been pointing to.. Marriage is to allow sexual relationships and Children..

 

[GuessWho]

That is not all you said. You talked of carnal passions as if they were sinful, referring to sexual love as cheap sexual intrigue and then denied it in typical hypocrite fashion, and you pretend that to suggest Jesus could have been married is blasphemy and an attack on His divinity.

The gossip that Jesus was married is cheap and for cheap people (profitable as a marketing strategy). More specifically: for the slaves of the capitalist-consumerist society who can not concieve a way of living different from their pathetic earthly happyness.

 

[Magenta]

The biblical verse "For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven" means so much more than you understood.

Jesus Christ is announcing (and bringing) the kingdom of God on earth (with His resurrection). Jesus Christ is God incarnated. But what is the purpose of His incarnation? Have you ever wondered that? Why didn't he save the world without incarnating? What? What is not possible? Of course it was. Everything is possible with God. Yet, he prefered to incarnate. Why?

He preferred to incarnate? His incarnation was purposed from before the foundation of the world. Are you trying to rewrite Scripture here? You may need to find a new church. One that teaches the gospel and not salvation by marriage as yours does.

 

[GuessWho]

No thank you. I don't chose churches as if they were cars (like you do).

 

[ukok102nak]

Not to mention that in the eyes of God marriage is an eternal union.

my sister
we know how you love god
but in marriage there is no written scripture says that it is eternal
in a literal way in the sense that in this reality all are just temporal
as saulo este pablo and what we meant is
the apostle of the gentiles said this things before unto the churches
as it is written
:read:
Mga Taga-Roma: 7. 1. Know ye not, brethren, (for I speak to them that know the law,) how that the law hath dominion over a man as long as he liveth?

2. For the woman which hath an husband is bound by the law to her husband so long as he liveth; but if the husband be dead, she is loosed from the law of her husband.
3. So then if, while her husband liveth, she be married to another man, she shall be called an adulteress: but if her husband be dead, she is free from that law; so that she is no adulteress, though she be married to another man.

4. Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

5. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
6. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

... . thats why our lord and saviour the only begotten son of god
said this things before
as it is written
:read:
Mateo: 22. 23. The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24. Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25. Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26. Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27. And last of all the woman died also.
28. Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.

29. Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
31. But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,
32. I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.
33. And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine.

34. But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together.
35. Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36. Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37. Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38. This is the first and great commandment.
39. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

41. While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them, 42. Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The Son of David.

43. He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

45. If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

46. And no man was able to answer him a word, neither durst any man from that day forth ask him any more questions.

~;> THATS WHY IN THE PAST SOME PEOPLE SET THE MINDS OF THOSE PEOPLE TO ALSO BELIEVED THAT GOD IS EVERYHERE
BUT THATS ALSO A FALSE DOCTRINES
BUT IF MY NEIGHBOUR WOULD BE DECEIVE
BY A FALSE TEACHINGS WOULD I LOVE THAT NEIGHBOUR OF MINE
YOUR CHOICE MY SISTER
. ... AND
WHEN IT COMES UNTO THE EYE WHICH IS ETERNAL
as it is written
:read:
Awit: 33. 18. Behold, the eye of the LORD is upon them that fear him, upon them that hope in his mercy;
19. To deliver their soul from death, and to keep them alive in famine.
20. Our soul waiteth for the LORD: he is our help and our shield.
21. For our heart shall rejoice in him, because we have trusted in his holy name.
22. Let thy mercy, O LORD, be upon us, according as we hope in thee.

:ty:

godbless us all always

 

[Magenta]

The gossip that Jesus was married is cheap and for cheap people (profitable as a marketing strategy). More specifically: for the slaves of the capitalist-consumerist society who can not concieve a way of living different from their pathetic earthly happyness.

Gossip? What gossip are you engaging in? I thought it was a simple question asked in the Bible discussion forum that has been sullied with people projecting all their cheapness and sinful lust onto it, even going so far as calling it blasphemy and something that denies the very divinity of Jesus. Some people have no problem admitting that it is not mentioned one way or another in Scripture but then turn around and speak as if it were an impossibility.

 

[Magenta]

No thank you. I don't chose churches as if they were cars (like you do).

Wow. Where did that come from? What makes you think you know me in any way at all?

 

[GuessWho]

Gossip? What gossip are you engaging in? I thought it was a simple question asked in the Bible discussion forum that has been sullied with people projecting all their cheapness and sinful lust onto it, even going so far as calling it blasphemy and something that denies the very divinity of Jesus. Some people have no problem admitting that it is not mentioned one way or another in Scripture but then turn around and speak as if it were an impossibility.

Of course it is gossip. And it is worth millions of dollars. For cheap people.

 

[Magenta]

Of course it is gossip. And it is worth millions of dollars. For cheap people.

How is discussing what is possible with God "cheap"? And at the same time you wish to pretend you have not turned sex into something dirty? LOL Maybe you should make up your mind.

 

[GuessWho]

How is discussing what is possible with God "cheap"? And at the same time you wish to pretend you have not turned sex into something dirty? LOL Maybe you should make up your mind.

I think that subjecting Jesus Christ to sexual desire is a blasphemy.

I don't think sex is dirty or a sin. It comes from sexual desire and it is the basis of human procreation.

 

[jaybird88]

I already responded to you in posts 42 and 45.

This conversation is getting nowhere because you don't understand who Jesus Christ is.

All of you jumped over my head when I said that Jesus Christ did not show erotic inclination towards women. And your reaction shows that erotism is something bad and dirty. Someone even said that my mind was dirty. Why this hypocrite reaction when this thread proposes to us the hypothesis that Jesus Christ was married.

So how is it? Is erotism bad or not? Is sexual instinct a genuine human need or not?

Why would God need a wife?

i dont think you are dirty minded. i didnt mean anything bad directed at you.

Jesus would not need a wife. i agree. Jesus was more than a man, i agree. Jesus was also a man and set an example of how man (mankind) should be. He demonstrated humanity all the time, to set an example, to show us that we to can be like Him.
to me, the idea of Him being married would be to demonstrate His humanity like the sheep He lead as we can be like Him. to say He is above getting married sets Him above and beyond us, something we can not follow.
make sense?

 

[GuessWho]

i dont think you are dirty minded. i didnt mean anything bad directed at you.

Jesus would not need a wife. i agree. Jesus was more than a man, i agree.

Regarding the bold I put in phrase: we don't agree unless you believe Jesus is fully God. Because simply saying that Jesus was more than a man can mean anything. Mayne you consider him...i don't know, Hercules or Superman. We need to be clear on these things before talking about Him.

Jesus was also a man and set an example of how man (mankind) should be. He demonstrated humanity all the time, to set an example, to show us that we to can be like Him.

Jesus Christ was also human. But he was a perfect man. You are right he came to set the example but not only that, he came to lift us to the dignity of God (he says "ye are gods"). So God lowered himself by incarnating, by limiting his dignity (kenosis) in order to elevate us, not to keeo us down. In order to free us and in order to establish a new way of living: the new creation. This new creation is above basic human needs. He says he gives the type of water that would no longer make you thirst. So he proposes another way of existence. He did not come to stay and to maintain us in our oder of existence, which is why a marriage is completely nonsense.

to me, the idea of Him being married would be to demonstrate His humanity like the sheep He lead as we can be like Him. to say He is above getting married sets Him above and beyond us, something we can not follow.
make sense?

We can be like him by loving our spouses like he loved the church: with sacrificial love. That is the model he gives us. We don't take the model from a supposed marriage with Mary-Magdalene, but from His love for the Church, not for a specific person, but for everybody.

 

[GuessWho]

We can follow Jesus Christ. Married or unmarried. Marriage is for salvation in the first place. Marriage as understood by the Church (having Jesus Christ as model).

Saint Paul did not marry. He didn't think of it as an impossible thing. On the contrary, he said it is better to not get marry, precisely because Saint Paul thaught that the second coming of Jesus Christ was close and because he believed that the kingdom of God means another way of existence.

Jesus Christ is took as a model by monks. Monks try to imitate Jesus Christ in obedience, chastity and in poverty.

So, whether married or not, we can follow Jesus Christ because He IS an example for both.

 

[jaybird88]

The gossip that Jesus was married is cheap and for cheap people (profitable as a marketing strategy). More specifically: for the slaves of the capitalist-consumerist society who can not concieve a way of living different from their pathetic earthly happyness.

i think you have a point with the gossip stories. those trying to make stories of a merovingian bloodline based on a secret marriage of Jesus is something i dont agree with. but i dont like going to the other side of the spectrum proclaiming Jesus was above such things as if He was not one of us.

 

[GuessWho]

Wow. Where did that come from? What makes you think you know me in any way at all?

Since your advice for me was "change church". What other conclusion could I have drawn?

 

[Billyd]

As far as I can discern, the scriptures do not state whether or not Jesus was married. I believe that He was never married, and that we can look to the foot of the cross to support this. Had He been married, in addition to ensuring that His mother was taken care of, He would have done the same for His spouse.

 

[tourist]

Some topics are not worthy of discussion or debate. This is one of them.

 

[emjcares]

When would He have married? Before His baptism with John? He would have had to leave mother and father and cling to His wife, then leave His wife to enter His ministry of reconciliation in going to the cross. He came to reconcile us back to God and also bring us into unity. He doesn't like it when we forsake each other, it's heartbreaking how much that goes on in the world, many of us are guilty, but it's much worse that it happens so much in the professing body of Christ. Shame on us when we do that. There is no shame in Jesus, it doesn't make sense that He would do that to His wife. Blasphemy is an often misunderstood word and isn't always used properly, but I get the point, maybe heretical would be the better word, I don't know, but it's a pretty serious error to suggest Jesus married and then left His wife. (And He obviously didn't get married between the time of His baptism and the cross.)

 

[GuessWho]

i think you have a point with the gossip stories. those trying to make stories of a merovingian bloodline based on a secret marriage of Jesus is something i dont agree with. but i dont like going to the other side of the spectrum proclaiming Jesus was above such things as if He was not one of us.

Friend, each one is responsible for what he believes. The idea of Jesus getting married would not be the first distorsion of His image. Too bad you can't see it. I believe you are honest about this. We live in a world where the image of Christ can be ... anything. Jesus Christ can be the supporter of anything, depending on our needs. We have made him into our image because we can't understand him. So, we limit him to our understanding. I was surprised to see people comparing Jesus Christ with ...Superman or Harry Potter. But...I become less and less surprised. In a world where there are more than 40000 christian denominations...why would we expect aything less.