Jesus, all the Grace we need

[followjesus]

I do not think you are understanding the point I am trying to make...........

Given that........I'm gonna go have a nice hot, fresh brewed cup of coffee.......

God bless

that we Love because God first Loved us, that the source of our Love is Christ in us, the hope of glory, that His Love for us, is our motivation. I do not disagree. this does not negate that if we receive Jesus as Lord, we are not required, to obey Him out of all that Love. and what you guys aren't hearing is Love Must be sincere as paul puts it and then gives a list of what you call fruits of the spirit, they are actually actions. pauls says be kind and compassionate, hate evil cling to good ect in all his epistles he gives us instructions on how to Live.

he says " you must" or " I insist on it In the Lord" he doesn't teach Grace apart from the Gospel, paul teaches a gospel that is for the obedience to the gospel of Jesus. our motivation isn't a dispute. Gopd Loved us with action, taught us to Love with action, taught us how to Live so there is no saying we didn't know when he returns and he himself repeats " to those who act in my things eternal life, to those who do not, eternal torment. our motivation for Loving God is He loved us, agreed. His love is the source of all of creation I'm not disputing it. His Love gave us all we need to live as he says is Love as he teaches us to treat other people. ( be merciful, be gracious, give, help, do , bea light for me, do it all in my name, when someone has a problem go help if you are able, keep your thoughts on me, by learning my teachings its how the Lord want us to Live and act motivation? his Love? Jesus on the cross His only son is Gods act of Love and Grace that's why its the center of eternal Life

the thing I'm saying is He Loved us already more than we can ever pay back or earn that happened to anyone who believes right now. now, we obey Jesus and are sanctified in Hos spirit. or " the spirit of his teachings" turn the other cheek isn't only saying if someone Hits you, its the same as if you are offended, don't retaliate. we follow this spirit. the teaching sell all your possessions and give top the poor isn't saying sell your families home and give to the poor, its the same as " you cannot serve God and money " its the spirit of generousity and charity for others we live in. ect. we are looking for the spiritual meaning of Jesus commands, not letters, but what is this message he is teaching.

so " pluck your eye out isn't to literally pluck it out, but means remove sin by all means. ect. there is a spirit principle in the commands of Jesus that Christians follow because of the spirit in us. we need His words to learn the spirit is what I'm saying to you. we have to feast daily on Jesus obedience to those spiritual principles is equal to what paul says " offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God this is your spiritual act of worship " or again he says " Be imitators of God therefore and live a life of Love just as Christ gave himself up for us ect....

john says it thois way " let us not Love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth "

paul says " Love must be sincere, hate what is evil and cling to what is good."

repentance Jesus says " you too will all persich unless you repent"

paul says " if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the spirit you put to death the misdeeds opf the body you will live." or he says " you must rid yourselves of all such things as these..."

Jesus says of Hius return " I will give to each one according to what he has done " and what he has said"

paul says of judgement " each one will give an account of himself to God. " he says " because of your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath for yourselves on the day of Judgement ect...to those who seek it by persistence he will give eternal life, those who reject the truth and follow the othe things, they will receive anger and wrath,"

we as a church need badly to get away from separating our own actions and faith. we need to get away from all the crazy doctrines and Just follow what Jesus taught. paul taught it with different words, james says also "faith without works is dead" he says this concerning brotherly Love. with the example of not helping someone in need.

faith accepts what the word Just plainly says. the question and confession is " believe with thine heart and confess with thy mouth that Jesus is Lord" so then the confession is not that I have no Lord, it is not that I n=am just like jesus in the world, or I can never again sin. the confession? Jesus is Lord, from the heart ( sincerely) Lord that's who He is to us now. so then all this we love because of this or that kind of becomes mute. God Loves us so much, now is that worth a trade, self, for Jesus?

 

[Kosie]

followjesus, would you think a while on what I am saying, before you answer. And I can proof EVERY statement with scripture, this is the ONLY True Gospel.
God is the ONLY one that can obey Himself to perfection. But.... What if God fills a vessel (a human body) with HIMSELF?
Do you think any vessel filled with God falls short of the glory of God? If your fleshly body has only ONE SPIRIT, the HOLY SPIRIT in that vessel, what in that vessel is then "unholy"?

If your flesh is 100% controlled/driven by the Holy Spirit of God, how can that flesh even think sin? I mean the Holy Spirit is the thoughts of God, it is the Love of God and it is the statutes of God. In that HOLY SPIRIT FILLED vessel is only HOLY. As Holy as the Father is Holy.

Now I ask myself this question. The stony heart I was born with had all evil things and lusts in it. Ok so this vessel sinned like few other's did. BUT God had destined this vessel to be one for HIS GLORY. If God leaves the old stony heart in the vessel there is NO WAY that vessel will be holy. It will sin and have bad thoughts all its life. But what if God plants HIS HEART (a holy heart of flesh) in the place of the stony heart. What if God REMOVES the stony heart and REPLACE it with HIS HEART (The heart of Christ). And not only that, God takes the human spirit out, and PUT HIS HOLY SPIRIT in the body.

What will the vessel now do? Sin? NEVER! any bad thoughts? NEVER. Any evil works? NEVER! This vessel will be as pure and holy as the one Father allowed to be crucified! Why? Because that is what HE WANTS! God wants us to be as Holy as He is Holy. God wants us to be as righteous as He is righteous, and God wants us to be as perfect as He is perfect.

HIS WILL not ours. If God wants this HE will make sure HE GETS this. That is why HE CAUSE... not command or ask but CAUSE the Holy people to be PERFECT AS HIMSELF. It is ALL about God and His will, and HIM making sure HIS WILL BE DONE IN EARTH AS IN HEAVEN.... No man will love God if God does not give him the love. NO man will obey God if God does not give him the obedience. NO man will keep God's Words and law if God does not give him the Truth and the power to obey the law. God writes it on his heart... the FLESH heart not the sinning one.

Now read this and please see how the NEW man is a GODLY CREATION and not a modified human being on his own works...

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

THE OLD IS DEAD!!!! Forever dead. and the NEW is ALL GOD! That is the Gospel of God and Jesus. The only one I believe and trust and HOPE to be part of.

 

[Th0mas]

What may you think after listening by what you may use below ?


[video=youtube;Q3ZxKxGcTO8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3ZxKxGcTO8&list=PLn5uFWEvozvNdn01hLUlVkG7 oH7UVzjc9&index=40[/video]

 

[FreeNChrist]

that we Love because God first Loved us, that the source of our Love is Christ in us, the hope of glory, that His Love for us, is our motivation. I do not disagree. this does not negate that if we receive Jesus as Lord, we are not required, to obey Him out of all that Love. and what you guys aren't hearing is Love Must be sincere as paul puts it and then gives a list of what you call fruits of the spirit, they are actually actions. pauls says be kind and compassionate, hate evil cling to good ect in all his epistles he gives us instructions on how to Live.

he says " you must" or " I insist on it In the Lord" he doesn't teach Grace apart from the Gospel, paul teaches a gospel that is for the obedience to the gospel of Jesus. our motivation isn't a dispute. Gopd Loved us with action, taught us to Love with action, taught us how to Live so there is no saying we didn't know when he returns and he himself repeats " to those who act in my things eternal life, to those who do not, eternal torment. our motivation for Loving God is He loved us, agreed. His love is the source of all of creation I'm not disputing it. His Love gave us all we need to live as he says is Love as he teaches us to treat other people. ( be merciful, be gracious, give, help, do , bea light for me, do it all in my name, when someone has a problem go help if you are able, keep your thoughts on me, by learning my teachings its how the Lord want us to Live and act motivation? his Love? Jesus on the cross His only son is Gods act of Love and Grace that's why its the center of eternal Life

the thing I'm saying is He Loved us already more than we can ever pay back or earn that happened to anyone who believes right now. now, we obey Jesus and are sanctified in Hos spirit. or " the spirit of his teachings" turn the other cheek isn't only saying if someone Hits you, its the same as if you are offended, don't retaliate. we follow this spirit. the teaching sell all your possessions and give top the poor isn't saying sell your families home and give to the poor, its the same as " you cannot serve God and money " its the spirit of generousity and charity for others we live in. ect. we are looking for the spiritual meaning of Jesus commands, not letters, but what is this message he is teaching.

so " pluck your eye out isn't to literally pluck it out, but means remove sin by all means. ect. there is a spirit principle in the commands of Jesus that Christians follow because of the spirit in us. we need His words to learn the spirit is what I'm saying to you. we have to feast daily on Jesus obedience to those spiritual principles is equal to what paul says " offer your bodies as living sacrifices, holy and pleasing to God this is your spiritual act of worship " or again he says " Be imitators of God therefore and live a life of Love just as Christ gave himself up for us ect....

john says it thois way " let us not Love with words or tongue, but with actions and in truth "

paul says " Love must be sincere, hate what is evil and cling to what is good."

repentance Jesus says " you too will all persich unless you repent"

paul says " if you live according to the flesh you will die, but if by the spirit you put to death the misdeeds opf the body you will live." or he says " you must rid yourselves of all such things as these..."

Jesus says of Hius return " I will give to each one according to what he has done " and what he has said"

paul says of judgement " each one will give an account of himself to God. " he says " because of your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath for yourselves on the day of Judgement ect...to those who seek it by persistence he will give eternal life, those who reject the truth and follow the othe things, they will receive anger and wrath,"

we as a church need badly to get away from separating our own actions and faith. we need to get away from all the crazy doctrines and Just follow what Jesus taught. paul taught it with different words, james says also "faith without works is dead" he says this concerning brotherly Love. with the example of not helping someone in need.

faith accepts what the word Just plainly says. the question and confession is " believe with thine heart and confess with thy mouth that Jesus is Lord" so then the confession is not that I have no Lord, it is not that I n=am just like jesus in the world, or I can never again sin. the confession? Jesus is Lord, from the heart ( sincerely) Lord that's who He is to us now. so then all this we love because of this or that kind of becomes mute. God Loves us so much, now is that worth a trade, self, for Jesus?

The difference between wrong thinking and right thinking is the difference between seeing our obedience to Christ as a "requirement" rather than as the privilege that is really is.

 

[followjesus]

The difference between wrong thinking and right thinking is the difference between seeing our obedience to Christ as a "requirement" rather than as the privilege that is really is.

it is definitely a privilege to have the commands that are eternal life, I agree. yet right thinking is in line with Jesus words. if you forgive you will be forgiven, if you do not, you will not be forgiven. or " by the measure you use it will be measured to you"

however we treat others is How God will treat us. there are a lot of warnings for not obeying Jesus in his own words, because we don't want to see it his way, gives us no right to omit the things we don't want to accept. for others sake in a way I wish grace grace was everything, then all people regardless of what they did would be saved, heck evenb the demons and devils would be redeemed. then we would only need 1 verse. problem is its not true. how do I know? because its Gods word.

 

[followjesus]

The difference between wrong thinking and right thinking is the difference between seeing our obedience to Christ as a "requirement" rather than as the privilege that is really is.

if a person Has a lord, and the lord says something, is it then optional to accept what their lord is saying? or does what defines the term hes my lord, mean I am bound to obedience ? its not an option to choose what he said that is true, and decide for ourselves. its about faith in Him. if we have faith in Jesus, we believe His words, because he truly is Lord

" if anyone BELIEVES IN THIER HEART and confesses with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, they will be saved." its true belief and true confession, from the heart we need to believe He is the Lord, then we will obey because Hes the Lord, a servant is meant to obey their Lord. that's what that term means. Jesus isn't just a sacrifice for sin, He is also the risen Lord. He said as the risen Lord " Go teach all nations to obey all I have commanded you" those are the words of the risen Lord Jesus. all of His commands are from the Lord to anyone who belongs to Him.

 

[followjesus]

followjesus, would you think a while on what I am saying, before you answer. And I can proof EVERY statement with scripture, this is the ONLY True Gospel.
God is the ONLY one that can obey Himself to perfection. But.... What if God fills a vessel (a human body) with HIMSELF?
Do you think any vessel filled with God falls short of the glory of God? If your fleshly body has only ONE SPIRIT, the HOLY SPIRIT in that vessel, what in that vessel is then "unholy"?

If your flesh is 100% controlled/driven by the Holy Spirit of God, how can that flesh even think sin? I mean the Holy Spirit is the thoughts of God, it is the Love of God and it is the statutes of God. In that HOLY SPIRIT FILLED vessel is only HOLY. As Holy as the Father is Holy.

Now I ask myself this question. The stony heart I was born with had all evil things and lusts in it. Ok so this vessel sinned like few other's did. BUT God had destined this vessel to be one for HIS GLORY. If God leaves the old stony heart in the vessel there is NO WAY that vessel will be holy. It will sin and have bad thoughts all its life. But what if God plants HIS HEART (a holy heart of flesh) in the place of the stony heart. What if God REMOVES the stony heart and REPLACE it with HIS HEART (The heart of Christ). And not only that, God takes the human spirit out, and PUT HIS HOLY SPIRIT in the body.

What will the vessel now do? Sin? NEVER! any bad thoughts? NEVER. Any evil works? NEVER! This vessel will be as pure and holy as the one Father allowed to be crucified! Why? Because that is what HE WANTS! God wants us to be as Holy as He is Holy. God wants us to be as righteous as He is righteous, and God wants us to be as perfect as He is perfect.

HIS WILL not ours. If God wants this HE will make sure HE GETS this. That is why HE CAUSE... not command or ask but CAUSE the Holy people to be PERFECT AS HIMSELF. It is ALL about God and His will, and HIM making sure HIS WILL BE DONE IN EARTH AS IN HEAVEN.... No man will love God if God does not give him the love. NO man will obey God if God does not give him the obedience. NO man will keep God's Words and law if God does not give him the Truth and the power to obey the law. God writes it on his heart... the FLESH heart not the sinning one.

Now read this and please see how the NEW man is a GODLY CREATION and not a modified human being on his own works...

Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
Eze 36:27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
2Co 5:17 Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.

THE OLD IS DEAD!!!! Forever dead. and the NEW is ALL GOD! That is the Gospel of God and Jesus. The only one I believe and trust and HOPE to be part of.

we already were given obedience in Jesus is my entire point. this is not effortless, it does not Just happen. God is not a puppetmaster that controls our actions, He gives us a new heart in this way

by following Jesus commands and principles ...His teachings are what gives us the new heart. the idea that the spirit is not in Jesus words or that His words aren't our new heart is what the issue is, " My words are spirit and life" you hjave been born again through the living and enduring word of God" " my words will never pass away" you must be born of the spirit, my words are spirit and life, you have been born again through the word...ect.

the spirit isn't ever going to just make us act on anything, it works by believing Jesus Christ with all of our heart. if we do, we know He is the living and enduring word of God, we know his word is living and active and judges our hearts and minds, we know His words are right and true and Gods words, we know His words are spirit and life, our new heart is found in Him. in him meaning I believe Jesus so I will find out what he is saying to us. the new heart doesn't just appear, it comes through faith in Him. I don't disagree with what you are saying, theres just more to it concerning Jesus words.

Hes the Lord, what He says is the new covenant. his teachings are spirit and life. look at the teachings, its all about cleansing the heart, this should tie into all the scriptures you gave about God putting a new heart in us. if we believe Jesus we learn him and believe Him. if we do this we see the process of God placing that new heart in us. I'm far from perfect in Christ, but I am following the Lord into eternity because I trust Him, I believe and know that He is the holy one of God, the way, the truth and the life, I believe him when he says my words are spirit and life. I understand that his words if I believe them become new thinking, and that transforms my heart and mind.

if I don't believe Jesus, I wont follow after Him as my Lord. I wont trust His teachings when he says that hes teaching me Gods will. its just all about Jesus, He is the way to receive the new heart and mind. if I take his words as true, they are active and working in me and as I follow the circumcision of my heart takes place. Jesus gospel is about receiving a new heart. it doesn't just happen or everyone would instantly be perfect. its a walk, its a race, its allegiance to Jesus because we believe Gods testimony " this is my son,listen to Him".....my words are spirit and life" meaning the things I'm teaching you are spirit and life.

 

[FreeNChrist]

it is definitely a privilege to have the commands that are eternal life, I agree. yet right thinking is in line with Jesus words. if you forgive you will be forgiven, if you do not, you will not be forgiven. or " by the measure you use it will be measured to you"

however we treat others is How God will treat us. there are a lot of warnings for not obeying Jesus in his own words, because we don't want to see it his way, gives us no right to omit the things we don't want to accept. for others sake in a way I wish grace grace was everything, then all people regardless of what they did would be saved, heck evenb the demons and devils would be redeemed. then we would only need 1 verse. problem is its not true. how do I know? because its Gods word.

Jesus is eternal life.

 

[FreeNChrist]

if a person Has a lord, and the lord says something, is it then optional to accept what their lord is saying? or does what defines the term hes my lord, mean I am bound to obedience ? its not an option to choose what he said that is true, and decide for ourselves. its about faith in Him. if we have faith in Jesus, we believe His words, because he truly is Lord

" if anyone BELIEVES IN THIER HEART and confesses with their mouth that Jesus is Lord, they will be saved." its true belief and true confession, from the heart we need to believe He is the Lord, then we will obey because Hes the Lord, a servant is meant to obey their Lord. that's what that term means. Jesus isn't just a sacrifice for sin, He is also the risen Lord. He said as the risen Lord " Go teach all nations to obey all I have commanded you" those are the words of the risen Lord Jesus. all of His commands are from the Lord to anyone who belongs to Him.

Ummmm, He's still speaking, and your obedience is to listen under Him.

 

[followjesus]

LOL. No, I'm not the one saying Jesus and His commands cannot be separated. It's you who are separating Jesus from His commands.

" if you love me obey my commands" I accepot that, do you? if I'm "separating Him from His commands" why am I the one connecting Him to His commands lol just a circle chasing the tail. he didn't just say "love each other your way" we don't know how to Love as God Loves. Jesus is teaching us how to Love in righteousness. you aren't supposed to omit the teachings of how to love and say love others. to not lust after my neighbors wife is love, to think pure thoughts when I look at a woman is love, to rid myselof of greed is love, to give to the poor is love. everything He taught is how to love in a way that is right before God who is with you. by omission of His teachings we can never Love right. that's what He is saying " love one another" is a summary. to understand love, we have to learn from Him, by accepting His words because we believe. I do not need to change or omit any word he taught, any behavior he taught. He is the lord. so if he says " if you dontforgive, God wont forgive you" that will convict any unforgiving person, if we omit that, then Christians have no clue that the grudges we carry inside will destroy our walk with him. that's why we need to focus on Him. His teachings teach us how to be right before God. were forgiven through his death and we are made alive through his life.

 

[followjesus]

Ummmm, He's still speaking, and your obedience is to listen under Him.

He is speaking surely, but everything he already said, is eternal and he is never going to altar it. the holy spirit will remind you of all he said, because all he said is where the spirit comes to us from " the words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life" if something doesn't agree with Jesus words as recorded in the 4 gospels, it isn't from the holy spirit. the spirit is Jesus spirit it wont contradict or omit His words we have them written for a reason

 

[FreeNChrist]

" if you love me obey my commands" I accepot that, do you? if I'm "separating Him from His commands" why am I the one connecting Him to His commands lol just a circle chasing the tail. he didn't just say "love each other your way" we don't know how to Love as God Loves. Jesus is teaching us how to Love in righteousness. you aren't supposed to omit the teachings of how to love and say love others. to not lust after my neighbors wife is love, to think pure thoughts when I look at a woman is love, to rid myselof of greed is love, to give to the poor is love. everything He taught is how to love in a way that is right before God who is with you. by omission of His teachings we can never Love right. that's what He is saying " love one another" is a summary. to understand love, we have to learn from Him, by accepting His words because we believe. I do not need to change or omit any word he taught, any behavior he taught. He is the lord. so if he says " if you dontforgive, God wont forgive you" that will convict any unforgiving person, if we omit that, then Christians have no clue that the grudges we carry inside will destroy our walk with him. that's why we need to focus on Him. His teachings teach us how to be right before God. were forgiven through his death and we are made alive through his life.

Yes, Jesus is teaching us because He is alive and living in us.

 

[followjesus]

Jesus is eternal life.

amen, He is the eternal word of God. My words will never pass away. " lord yo whom else would we go? yuou have the WORDS of eternal life...again " the words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life" jesus words are the very words of God, He is infact Gods living word. and yes HE is eternal life, not the work he did only, but all he said his words are the words of weternal life. according to the gospels

 

[FreeNChrist]

He is speaking surely, but everything he already said, is eternal and he is never going to altar it. the holy spirit will remind you of all he said, because all he said is where the spirit comes to us from " the words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life" if something doesn't agree with Jesus words as recorded in the 4 gospels, it isn't from the holy spirit. the spirit is Jesus spirit it wont contradict or omit His words we have them written for a reason

Not "has" spoken. "IS" speaking. Have you no understanding or consciousness of Jesus as a living reality??

 

[followjesus]

Yes, Jesus is teaching us because He is alive and living in us.

amen in every way. His words are how he gets into us, if we accept them, they are living and active and they go to work to bring us into life. amen and amen to your comment

 

[FreeNChrist]

amen, He is the eternal word of God. My words will never pass away. " lord yo whom else would we go? yuou have the WORDS of eternal life...again " the words I have spoken to you are spirit and they are life" jesus words are the very words of God, He is infact Gods living word. and yes HE is eternal life, not the work he did only, but all he said his words are the words of weternal life. according to the gospels

He is the living eternal Word of God. And as the living Word of God He is not limited to the pages of a book.

 

[FreeNChrist]

amen in every way. His words are how he gets into us, if we accept them, they are living and active and they go to work to bring us into life. amen and amen to your comment

You're daft. And we're done.

 

[followjesus]

Not "has" spoken. "IS" speaking. Have you no understanding or consciousness of Jesus as a living reality??

lol, the words he is teaching in the gospels are the ONLY way he can get into you. those words are alive IF a person believes them. his word is alive, " the words I HAVE spoken to you are SPIRIT and they are LIFE." The word of God is living and active." in the beginning was the WORD, and the word was WITH God, and the WORD was God." how in the world does someone learn jesus without the living words in the Gospel? no one could ever know Jesus without his words and actions. JUST like we cant know any person =without their words and actions. I honestly have no issue with how you or anyone else views me " what I have a concept of": the concept I care about is Jesus and what His concept is, because its the truth of God.


the words are not just words on paper, it is the message in them that's alive. that's what the spirit is and where it comes from. Just like all of creation it comes from what God says. let there be light, and it was so. God said it, it was. it is you who is missing the concept of the living word, you see it as words on paper. its what those words are telling us that we need. the message in them is life and it is how the spirit fills us, the words of Jesus. not this word, or that word. but the true living word, or " whjat is he telling me, what is he teaching me to do" again I'm done with the circle, ill move on to a different thing.


God bless you as you pres forward in faith that is firmly in Jesus

 

[followjesus]

You're daft. And we're done.

bless you in Jesus name

 

[followjesus]

He is the living eternal Word of God. And as the living Word of God He is not limited to the pages of a book.

the bible isn't a book, it is all the wisdom of God recorded for the world to learn and know. its the information in there that is alive, without respecting the written word, the living word is a phrase