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Pottersclay I take two verses and I get my answer. We know that God does not hear sinners. But to the ones that keeps his Word them He heareth.... The feverent prayer of the righteous availeth much..... Then Jesus said... The ones who loves Me will do greayer things yhan I. I am not English. Thid is the best I can remember the Scripture. From my phone.
Yep, very clearly, Martha, did not believe her brother, who she was certain was already a rotting, stinking corpse, was going to walk out of that tomb.
If you knew the Bible, and if you knew God, you would know that He isn't weaker than me.
God has put His will in His word, and He will not go against His word.
Please note, I have given scriptures to back up what I teach, whereas you haven't, all you have done, is shown your Biblical ignorance.
Eph 3: 20--21 says God's power is in the Church throughout all ages world without end.
We are still, in the, "All ages" a d the world hasn't ended yet. So the power to heal a d do miracles, is still, , in the Church.
You won't find one scripture that says the power, healing's or miracles will end.
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No, you listed some verses, and babbled about God needing "man's cooperation." I can read fine. 10th grade reading level.
Want evidence of your "ignorance" besides that?
Moses telling God (at the burning bush) that he can't talk to the Pharaoh, Jonah, Lazarus (who wasn't alive to cooperate), and all the apostles since none of them believed he would rise again.
You're the same guy who taught we have to be dressed up for God, so really? You have the gall to call someone else ignorant? God is capable of still being God without cooperation. You are proof.
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pottersclay
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First of all I do believe the gifts as they are called are for today. thus my actions. No harm no foul just another thread. It is so wonderful to have the responses like this there is much to consider here.
I have laid my daughter to rest because of a drug over dose of a friend along with the history of my first o.p. death has certainly taken its toll on me and my family members.
We're they saved dunno at least from the outward I can say no but God knows the heart. The Lord has tried my heart on the matter of my own pending death due to the cancer. How do I know it was his hand and not the doctors here is a list of things only the Lord can do.
During my chemo treatment I had to get my hair cut more than usual it grew.
I never had the need for pain meds.
My blood work showed no signs of adverse effects.
When I got to my radiation ctr to have my daily treatment it turned into a fellowship of both believers and non laughing and joking but praying and hoping for one another.
When asked if I would like counselling to come to terms I told them I pray and talk to the mighty counselor for free. Jesus.
When all said and done no tumor to be found pathology had nothing to work with.
First time a helper from Wal-Mart out of the blue helping me load my car asked to pray with me, we did right in the parking lot...looked me in the eyes and said with a smile everything's going to be alright....haven't seen him since.
I have no problem with the Lord's will to be done. Been out of work for over a year the Lord's been very gracious to me a and the Mrs.
My heart pours out to the people who think that because of there lack of faith God won't heal them. The scriptures show many different people being healed. Look at the solider in the garden with the ear missing (Peter better stick to fishing). Was the solider a follower.
Because of their lack of faith Jesus couldn't or won't heal or was it because they didn't ask?
I have laid my daughter to rest because of a drug over dose of a friend along with the history of my first o.p. death has certainly taken its toll on me and my family members.
We're they saved dunno at least from the outward I can say no but God knows the heart. The Lord has tried my heart on the matter of my own pending death due to the cancer. How do I know it was his hand and not the doctors here is a list of things only the Lord can do.
During my chemo treatment I had to get my hair cut more than usual it grew.
I never had the need for pain meds.
My blood work showed no signs of adverse effects.
When I got to my radiation ctr to have my daily treatment it turned into a fellowship of both believers and non laughing and joking but praying and hoping for one another.
When asked if I would like counselling to come to terms I told them I pray and talk to the mighty counselor for free. Jesus.
When all said and done no tumor to be found pathology had nothing to work with.
First time a helper from Wal-Mart out of the blue helping me load my car asked to pray with me, we did right in the parking lot...looked me in the eyes and said with a smile everything's going to be alright....haven't seen him since.
I have no problem with the Lord's will to be done. Been out of work for over a year the Lord's been very gracious to me a and the Mrs.
My heart pours out to the people who think that because of there lack of faith God won't heal them. The scriptures show many different people being healed. Look at the solider in the garden with the ear missing (Peter better stick to fishing). Was the solider a follower.
Because of their lack of faith Jesus couldn't or won't heal or was it because they didn't ask?
Is there anyone really foolish enough to think that Jesus tried to work some miracles in His hometown, and He flopped in His attempts?
What the Bible says is that no one in His hometown believed in Him so they didn't come to Him. They thought He was just a phony, so they never ASKED for any healing. So, since they didn't want it, He couldn't give it.
How utterly crazy to think He suddenly lost His abilities.
What the Bible says is that no one in His hometown believed in Him so they didn't come to Him. They thought He was just a phony, so they never ASKED for any healing. So, since they didn't want it, He couldn't give it.
How utterly crazy to think He suddenly lost His abilities.
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Thank you bro for that comment....ya just don't know what that means to me.....and yes some people do believe that God is able but there faith is to weak to receive. Just look at what's taught on that cbn network we chatted earlier about.
I just can't see God saying " I'm able but your not so live with it or die because of it" but I can accept his will to be done. Maybe it's me maybe I'm wrong but this has bothered me for quite a while.
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pottersclay
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This world has gotten so cold that people don't even know hope to except help.....ever notice that?
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Ariel82
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No...God has blessed me with folks filled with hope and love. When we meet people in need, we don't tell them to hope for help....we just try and give it.
Seems simpler that way.
Seems simpler that way.
Pottersclay, I have seen and experienced one true thing from God. He also decided to love me. The MOMENT that HE called me, I had hope. Nothing else but HOPE. I always sees it as a spark that set one little dry amber to glow. Then the Holy Spirt that has to take me from sinner to perfect man STARTS His work. He gently blows on the glowing amber and a small fire starts. The He adds little twigs and bigger sticks and eventually there is a HEAVENLY fire in me. ALL GOD. How long it takes is up to the Master. But the Word does say in 1Joh 3. Whosoever has this hope in him, purifieth himself, even as He is pure. ...Beautiful Jesus. Amen.
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Ariel82
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Wait...was that an add on to Willie comment response?
Physical body wise...I place my hope in the resurrected bodies we will get. Current body wise I place my,trust that God will keep it running long enough to accomplish my task on this earth before He calls me back home.
Like our time on Earth, this bodies are temporary.
Physical body wise...I place my hope in the resurrected bodies we will get. Current body wise I place my,trust that God will keep it running long enough to accomplish my task on this earth before He calls me back home.
Like our time on Earth, this bodies are temporary.
Ariel the children of God receives their resurrection of SPIRIT the moment GOD glorifies them. The heavenly state of adoption is made the moment a child of God is BORN. But the glorified body comes when the revelation of our God happens on THAT day. Hope is no mre hope when the person is a child of God. Hope then turned out as the Faithfulness of the Father. Hope brings the Fulness of God.
Like Jesus, who needed no hope, yet He gave so much. Same with qll holy people, they need NO hope, yet they are proof of the hope.
Like Jesus, who needed no hope, yet He gave so much. Same with qll holy people, they need NO hope, yet they are proof of the hope.
Hi Pottersclay
My two cents.
It is one of those mysteries that come from the peace of God that surpasses all human understanding by which we can believe God but remains a faith issue (unseen) as to its workings.
All of the hard work you performed of your love towards others is not without affect. I think it shows you were reaching out for one who could do the work. You could say you moved by the faith that comes from hearing God.
The laying on of human hands is a metaphor for God doing the healing.(the unseen workings) It was used in parables as ceremonial laws that pointed ahead to the suffering of Christ and the glory that followed. It is the pattern of all ceremonial laws as shadows of the good things to come......... the end of our faith, our new incorruptible bodies in the new heavens and earth..
Today the laying on of hands is used as a desire to show outwardly a hope God will heal these bodies of death. But there never was any redeeming value in shadows that pointed to the eternal not seen .
Leviticus 16:21 And Aaron shall lay both his hands upon the head of the live goat, and confess over him all the iniquities of the children of Israel, and all their transgressions in all their sins, putting them upon the head of the goat, and shall send him away by the hand of a fit man into the wilderness:
I would suggest bottom line is... it’s all about the word faith in respect to whose faith it is that does the work of healing( therapy) . This is seeing no man can heal himself according to the working of their own heart as a source of his personal faith. (Believing in things not seen) .
I came across and interesting thought in respect to the use of the word therapy (healing) in Acts 17. This is when Paul explained to the unbelievers how we can worship him not seen.
The use of the word worship is used twice with a different meaning attached. The second time it is used it is used once in that way ( therapeutic) . I think it does shine some light on the subject matter.
For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands; Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;Act 17:23
Strong’s lexicion 2151 eusebeo {yoo-seb-eh'-o} from 2152; TDNT - 7:175,1010; vAV - worship 1, show piety 1; 21) to act piously or reverently 1a) towards God, one's country, magistrates, relations, and all to whom dutiful regard or reverence is due
Strong’s lexicion..... 2323 therapeuo {ther-ap-yoo'-o}from the same as 2324; TDNT - 3:128,331; v
AV - heal 38, cure 5, worship 1; 441) to serve, do service 2) to heal, cure, restore to health
We therefore cry out like little children in our anxieties for a work of the faith, of our healer, Christ, that can. It can lead us to a doctor or prayer form others but never are we to assume we are healed by the hands of men. God who is not worshiped by human hands does not heal in respect to hands as if he needed anything for the clay he is forming a new creature in.
Ive seen he gifts working today, through myself and other... amazing miracles, so when folks say they are not for today it saddens me to think thy lack such and awesome and profound experiances, the bible clearly says He changes not...
anyway that's not really the topic, to address the OP I think it best we go to the book of Job, remember he didn't know what the Father had allowed the enemy to afflict him so, yet he trusted Him, he didn't know what the outcome would be or its purpose but he trusted Him, the Father sees the beginning to the end of each life and He alone has the wisdom and understanding to make the choice of healing or bringing one back from death...is he limited by our Faith or lack of it? never we are, He doesn't have a plan b he knows when where and how already, its we who need to learn and he knows just how to teach us.... if we knew everything it would really be faith then would it. prov 3:5-6
anyway that's not really the topic, to address the OP I think it best we go to the book of Job, remember he didn't know what the Father had allowed the enemy to afflict him so, yet he trusted Him, he didn't know what the outcome would be or its purpose but he trusted Him, the Father sees the beginning to the end of each life and He alone has the wisdom and understanding to make the choice of healing or bringing one back from death...is he limited by our Faith or lack of it? never we are, He doesn't have a plan b he knows when where and how already, its we who need to learn and he knows just how to teach us.... if we knew everything it would really be faith then would it. prov 3:5-6
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pottersclay
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I'm sorry but the spell check on my tablet needs a tutor hope was suppose to be how.....but I like the responses of hope as we are to give a answer to the hope that is inside us.
Since no one will hire me because I'm a health risk factor, old and a little worn out the Lord has blessed me with some contract work in the city. I see drug deals going down every day, multi culture area from India to Mexican Chinese to black, white to Spanish, a all doing there thing on the streets. The amazing thing is when I was 6 yrs old I lived here in this neighborhood. My it's changed but so have I.
I wear the tattoo of a Westsider from long ago. Some recognize it so I try to cover it up when I can. Strange how the Lord would take me back to this place. I meet and greet all who pass me hoping to share my faith with them as I enter or leave the building.
For some reason they seem shocked at this and very few reply. When trying to help a man of my senior tie bags of bottles to his bike he rebuked me in a few choosen words not worth repeating. With a few other instances like this I've come to realize they don't know how to except help, is it fear or distrust dunno .
All of us have a story or two to share as I did with the o.p. and trying to find the reasons why or becoming a recluse is not our calling. As we may ponder the hurts that life has dealt us we have to push forward and the only way to do that is in the strength of the Lord.
O yea of little faith has many different meanings perhaps, maybe it's not what you lack but what you don't know yet.
Be confident in the work he started in you that he is able to finish it. The Lord may let you cry, he may let you be hurt, but he will never let you down or let you be plucked from his hand.
I don’t think nothing has changed as far miracles. The revealing of miracles as signs and wonders to indicate a person is born again or not is the difference, I believe. We walk by faith and not by sight.
Christ said it is an evil generation as the generation of Adam (pagans) that does seek after a sign .Signs are designed for the rebellious that have no faith.Prophecy for us who do believe to the salvation of our souls.
Matthew 12:39 But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
The sign of Jonas has come. The Son of God has come in the person of the Son of man. The unbelieving Jew or gentile simply will not acknowledge he has, so they seek after a sign .even knowing one will not be given.
It’s not that he does not heal as miracles whether of the elect or those who have no faith in respect to the faith of God. Miracles are simply miracles nothing more .God is God, no more or no less.
It becomes is God still bringing new signs and wonders to indicate the person is of Christ? or as the scriptures seems to inform us because he is no longer adding any new revelations now that we have His whole will sealed up till the end of time . That today it is an evil generation (natural man) that does seek after signs ( that seen ) that point to wonders (not seen)?
Seeing all manners of prophecy to include tongues has ceased at the close and sealing up of his will .
If any man today say lo is Christ he just healed me to show they a followers... we are to believe not. Physical healing is not a sign a person is with Christ .But simply a sign God has performed a miracle .All healing are miracles but none today prove a person has Christ as their savoir. There would be no way to prove it.
Not sure about the many meaning? I would agree don’t know yet as to not exercising possibly . The faith in view is respect to the faith of God not our own selves as the source of faith. It is the one faith spoken of in respect to One Lord.
One example he calls the disciples.. ye of little faith. I think it was because they were not reasoning by the word of God but where among their own selves as the philosophies of men and again not reasoning by the law of faith in respect to the faith of God. So it becomes whose faith do we reason by, from God as the things of God or those of men according to their own hearts.
Mat 16:8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
In other words why not reason according to the same spirit of faith according as it is written, the mutual faith that works in all believers.
Again because they were walking by sight (reasoning amongst their own selves) whenever Christ would present a parable that they did not understand seeing Christ hid the spiritual meaning . The game “who is the greatest” would come up seeing they could no longer put their faith in the Son of man who seemed to confuse the matter. They looked to each other.
Christ said to them you must become like little children not like a seasoned theologian
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Amen.
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