Interesting thing about the Sabbath...

hornetguy · Jul 29, 2016

hmmm... so, this whole passage is talking about the freedom from the law we have in Christ, even mentioning the instructions "don't eat" "don't touch", etc...

But you choose to assume that the reference "with regard to Holy Days" to mean we ARE supposed to keep them, instead of we are free from the old law of keeping them.

You have an interesting way of "interpreting" the word. Pick and choose.... truth.

disciplemike · Jul 29, 2016

hornetguy said:

I was taught that it meant it that way too.
Took a long time to see which view is more consistent with Scripture.
God's appointed times are now being re-discovered all over the world. It is not bondage. It is a meeting time with the Almighty!

hornetguy · Jul 29, 2016

I guess that's where we're a little different.... I wasn't "taught" that... it is what I understood by reading the passage, in context, and, I assume, with the help of the Spirit.

wvbeliever · Jul 29, 2016

disciple mike I want to ask you a question not for the sake of argument but I want to hear your answer though and The Lord says a man will speak from his heart whether it is lies or truth God gives him free choice to do so but all works good or evil are judged by God in the day of judgement and my question is when Jesus was conceived by The Holy Ghost in Mary's Womb if that wasn't Gods Spirit conceiving him then who's Spirit was it then? If The Holy Spirit is not Gods third person why did he conceive Jesus? That totally changes the birth of The Messiah to something and someone else if The Holy Ghost isn't God but He is and all other parts of God are equal for they are one. I will write later on the Sabbath it may not be a answer that everyone is seeking I know not all only God but may what I give him all the glory forever and ever amen.

hornetguy · Jul 29, 2016

And, as a follow-up to your "truth" ... the believers at Colosse were NOT following the Jewish laws. They were Gentile believers, and were being looked down on for not following Jewish laws. They were being told that they had to observe Jewish laws and traditions in order to be "spiritual" as Christians.

This whole passage is about NOT being dragged back into following Jewish laws and traditions, including the feasts and dietary customs.

This fits in with all the other scriptures that condemn the "Judaizers" for trying to pull Christians back under the old law..

Practically all Christian commentaries see this passage in that light... it's too obvious to miss. The only commentaries that try to twist the meaning 180 degrees are the ones by the 7th day Adventist folks.

Scripture after scripture condemns anyone that tries to pull Christians away from the true gospel of Christ... of our freedom in Him... back to the old system of laws and commandments that can never be kept.

GandalfTheWhite · Jul 29, 2016

wvbeliever said:

I don't know if you are barking up the wrong tree here brother but I have never seen Mike say that. Given, I haven't red all of his posts but you have valid concerns if that is his believes (but I seriously doubt it). Let's wait for a reply.

prove-all · Jul 30, 2016

wvbeliever said:

The bible says Mary was conceived by the holy spirit. matthew 1:20
If a third person, Jesus should be called the Son of the Holy Ghost.

Luke 1:35 And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon
thee,and [the power] of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing
which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

-Jesus is called the Son of God, and not son of the holy spirit- why?

if all parts are equil or oneness, why will the Son be subject to the Father
after all is said and done in 1 Corinthians 15?

-the bible says the Holy Spirit is the very power of God

15He hath made the earth (by his power), he hath established the world by his wisdom,
and hath stretched out the heaven by his understanding.

5I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are upon the ground, (by my great power)
and by my outstretched arm, (and have given it) (unto whom] it seemed meet unto me.

Behold my servant, whom I uphold; (mine elect), in whom my soul delighteth;
I have put (my spirit upon him): he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

15For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor
strong drink; and he shall be (filled with) the Holy Ghost, (even from his mother's womb).

34For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: (for God giveth)
(not the Spirit by measure) unto him.

-God gave Jesus His power, with no measure, even from the womb.

14 He shall glorify me: for he shall [receive] of mine, and shall [shew it] unto you.

23Turn you at my reproof: behold, I will pour out my spirit unto you,
I will make known my words unto you

5For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost
not many days hence.

-Our spiritual birth began with our minds being fertilized with a small portion of
God’s Holy Spirit upon repentance,baptism and the laying on of hands (Acts 2:38).

38Then Peter said unto them, [Repent], and [be baptized] every one of you
in the name of Jesus Christ for [the remission of sins], and ye shall receive
[the gift] of the Holy Ghost.

-the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit
is the earnest or down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).

prove-all · Jul 30, 2016

He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning.

For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

TonyJay · Jul 30, 2016

GandalfTheWhite said:

Perhaps you should then read disciplemike's posts - he has actually said some truly bizarre things including denying the Trinity.

wvbeliever · Jul 30, 2016

prove all you have to go to the scriptures starting with seeing God as a whole He is one whole God but with plural parts. Go to I John 5:7 KJV "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one." Not 1, 2, but 3 parts of God bear record in heaven if the Holy Ghost isn't a person then how does he bear record? prove all? Read Genesis 1:26 God shows again he is plural in parts. God chooses at his will to be addressed general when he refers to Himself as God or specific like in I John 5:7 naming each part. Or when God was telling everyone that Jesus is coming Genesis 3:15 but God didn't say the specific name of the Messiah at that time of his begotten child he didnt give the the name for a reason. Jesus was always Spirit but he later was "begotten" brought in the world in the flesh not created big difference! If you deny one part of God then you deny God as a whole Jesus said that. Those who don't know the Son don't know the Father. How can anyone say they know the Son or Father if they don't know who the Holy Spirit is they cant they don't know God. Peter addressed The Holy Ghost as God go to Acts Chapter 5 verses 3-4 He first asked the man why he lied to the Holy Ghost and later Peter said you haven't lied to men but to "GOD" showing the Holy Ghost is person and God again. Peter also says in Acts 2:38 about accepting the gift of the Holy Ghost its upper case Holy Ghost showing authority as in a person your getting a part of God himself that is the gift but Jesus only gives someone that gift no one else but coming to Christ first and that is not a gift like knowledge or wisdom all lower cased because The Spirit gives those gifts to all believers how "He" chooses to do so along with the others spiritual gifts at his choosing I will find that verse later. A gift like tongues cannot grieve but a person does Ephesians 4:30 we grieve "him" by doing those things in verse 31 in that chapter. And we can quench the Spirit I Thessalonians 5:19 now read John 16: 7-8 what Jesus said referred to the Holy Spirit as He and him. the Comforter. A person. Jesus must go so He can come. You call Jesus a liar to say The Holy Ghost isn't a person even after Jesus said He is to come. And when you quoted Matthew 1:20 you have it backwards and wrong the Holy Spirit didn't conceive Mary The Holy Spirit conceived Jesus and Mary was of Adams seed not Gods that would make her Gods 1st begotten and Jesus second which is false that sounds Catholic. All glory go to The Father, Son, and Holy Ghost who are God

disciplemike · Jul 30, 2016

hornetguy said:

sir, there is no mention of trouble with Judaizers in Colossae. Sha-ul had taught them about the appointed times of God. This is why their pagan neighbors were attacking them. They were being attacked by people who followed philosophy, vain deceit and the traditions of men (ch2v8). None of these terms describe the Law of God. Again, you have it backwards. Sha-ul is saying, Do not let anyone judge you because you ARE following God's laws. This fits in with all of Scripture.

oldethennew · Jul 30, 2016

ISAIAH 42:9.
Behold, the former things are come to pass, and new things do I declare: before they spring forth I tell you of them.

here are the 'new-things', from our Heavenly Father:

ISAIAH 66:22.
For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before Me, saith The LORD,
so shall your seed and your name remain.

and Peter speaks of the 'same-time' -
11PETER 3:13.
Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth,
wherein dwelleth righteousness.

and what is Righteousness according to a man 'after God's own Heart'? 'NT'

PSALM 119:172. -
My tongue shall speak of Thy Word: for all Thy Commandments are righteousness.

ISAIAH 66:23.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another,
shall all flesh come to worship before Me, saith The LORD.

and Jesus came, Preaching The Kingdom of God, and this is clearly a Kingdom Prophecy -
(NEW HEAVENS & NEW EARTH).

ACTS 3:21.
“whom heaven must receive until the times of restoration of all things, which God has spoken
by the mouth of all His Holy prophets since the world began.

all things are indeed become NEW, but there is a RESTORATION of all things OLD, as mentioned
in the above scriptures, New Moons and Sabbaths, being kept by all flesh.

like it is written:

JER. 6:16.
Thus saith The LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths,
where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls.
But they said, We will not walk therein.

in contrast, here are those that are walking in the Old Paths.
here are those who fear The Lord and were OBEDIENT to the Faith once delivered.

ACTS. 2:1.
'And when the day of Pentecost was fully come...'

prove-all · Jul 30, 2016

wvbeliever said:

1 John 5:7-8
“For there are three that bear record [in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one. And there are three that bear witness in earth], the spirit, and the water,
and the blood: and these three agree in one.”

The bracketed words in the verses quoted, however, were added by editors of the Latin Vulgate
translation of the Bible—probably some time during the early fourth century.

The words do not appear in any of the older Greek manuscripts of the New Testament.
Without the spurious addition, the passage actually reads, “There are three witnesses,
the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree”

They appear in a fourth-century Latin text, probably as a marginal note by a copyist .
These extra words entered the text of the Latin Vulgate by the eighth century after Christ.
Editors of Bible commentaries both liberal and conservative, both old and new, agree
that the origin of the King James text in 1 John 5:7-8 is fraudulent.

Now why would fourth-century editors feel compelled to insert these uninspired words into the
Bible text? It’s because they were unable to prove their false theories using the inspired text
of the Bible!

I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.

wvbeliever · Jul 30, 2016

know all which Greek manuscript is it that says these things? Do you speak Greek? Give me the name of the specific one? If you cant name the manuscript nor read it then you have no idea what you are talking about because that is a foreign tongue to you. How do you even know what it says if you cant read it? We have Gods word in English KJV I can speak for all of the other bibles in English for Lord Jesus hath spoken Luke 21:33 no one can take His word away and why did Jesus speak of He of him to come who after he leaves in John 16?

prove-all · Jul 30, 2016

wvbeliever said:

know all which Greek manuscript is it that says these things? Do you speak Greek? Give me the name of the specific one? If you cant name the manuscript nor read it then you have no idea what you are talking about because that is a foreign tongue to you. How do you even know what it says if you cant read it? We have Gods word in English KJV I can speak for all of the other bibles in English for Lord Jesus hath spoken Luke 21:33 no one can take His word away and why did Jesus speak of He of him to come who after he leaves in John 16?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comma_Johanneum

wvbeliever · Jul 30, 2016

I will ask the Holy Spirit about this pray and study but you aren't answering the other questions why not?

prove-all · Jul 30, 2016

wvbeliever said:

no I do not read greek, I can hardly spell and write mere english lol

trinity doctrine

In the minds of most scholors, its a vague concept shrouded in a cloud of mystery.
As it says in A Handbook of Christian Truth, “The mind of man cannot fully
understand the mystery of the trinity. He who would try to understand
the mystery fully will lose his mind. But he who would deny the trinity will lose his soul.”

If you try to understand it, you’ll go crazy. And yet, if you reject it,
you will supposedly lose your salvation! [my God is not confusion]

Notice this candid remark from The New Catholic Encyclopedia: “It is difficult …
to offer a clear, objective, and straightforward account of the revelation,
doctrinal evolution, and the theological elaboration of the mystery of the trinity.”

1.2.2.16 Trinitarian scholars admit it!:

The reason there is no straightforward explanation is because it’s not biblical.
but this forum we are on, they will ban people for arguing about it ,any further
discussion could land me in the banned section[which is not right]

the bible says to prove all things, hold on to the truth

The word “trinity” is nowhere mentioned in God’s Word. And the few Bible
passages that appear to support some kind of three-in-one concept have
either been translated incorrectly or grossly misunderstood.

wvbeliever · Jul 30, 2016

You couldn't say it no better "But he who would deny the trinity will lose his soul" you deny a part of God you deny him totally. I never used the word trinity but all through the Bible it shows the parts of God The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. I asked you why did Jesus say that he must go and the Comforter come? Jesus said He and him? Who is that person? That's his words not mine. And read verse 13 this is Jesus words not mine and read the rest of the chapter. Who is he the one to come know all? Is he just a gift or a person of God? What do you say?

prove-all · Jul 30, 2016

In John 14:15-16, Jesus said, “If ye love me, keep my commandments.
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter,
that he may abide with you for ever.” The Comforter is the Holy Spirit

—and Christ said that God would send it in His name,
the name of Jesus Christ (verse 26).

The pronouns “he” and “him” used here and in John 16:7, 13 are what some will
refer to as another “proof” that the Holy Spirit is a third person in the godhead.

But in the Greek language, just like in many other languages, every noun,
including inanimate objects, has a gender—either masculine, feminine or neuter.

The Greek word translated “Comforter” in these passages has a
masculine gender, which is one reason why translators used the pronoun “he”

—assuming they did this for grammatical reasons rather than theological ones.
Whatever the reason, the best English translation would have been “it.”

But notice one other verse in this same biblical passage. It’s in John 15:26:
“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father,
even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”
Here again, this time in John’s Gospel, it says the Holy Spirit comes from the Father
—it proceeds from God.

wvbeliever · Jul 30, 2016

"It" is used in Romans 8:16 generally speaking of The Holy Spirit in believers but Jesus addresses The Holy Spirit as "he" and "him" and read Matthew 28:19 you baptize in all three's name. Not two or one but all three.

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