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Matthew 12:31-32
31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. 32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him, either in this age or in the age to come.

We have the Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit!
 

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"It" is used in Romans 8:16 generally speaking of The Holy Spirit
would you be offended if someone called you an "it" ?

Paul failed to even mention the Holy Spirit in any of the greetings in his letters.
He always mentioned God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son—but never the Holy Spirit

In I Corinthians 1:3 it says, “Grace be unto you, and peace, from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ.”
What about II Corinthians? “Grace be to you and peace from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ” (2 Corinthians 1:2).

Paul also wrote the books of Romans, Galatians, Ephesians, Philippians, Colossians,
I and II Thessalonians, I and II Timothy, Titus, Philemon and Hebrews.

Check the greetings in all of those books.
They are all similar to both of the verses quoted above.

would this not be rude of Paul to not even address the Holy Spirit in writings?
 
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1.The Bible says love works no ill towards their neighbor;therefore love is the fulfilling of the law,and we follow the 2 greatest commandments love God,and love people.

Paul said we do not void out the law through faith,but we establish the law,which the law is spiritual,holy,good,and just,the moral laws,and laws of love.

The Bible says if you are led of the Spirit you will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh,and will show the characteristics of the Spirit,which then you are not under the law,because you are abstaining from sin,so the law cannot touch you for prosecution.

Everybody has to live up to the law,and obey the law,laws of love,but they could not do it in the Old Testament,but we can do it in the New Testament by the Holy Spirit,and in the Old Testament,right with God,by the blood of animals,the blood of Jesus washed away their sins.

Jesus took the physical ordinances of Israel out of the way,nailing them to His cross,for they were against us,because they could not provide a spiritual relationship with God,so we do not have to observe the physical ordinances of Israel.

In the book of Isaiah God said when they receive the Spirit in the future,this is the rest,and this is the refreshing,yet they would not hear.It is a spiritual rest,a spiritual Sabbath,in the New Testament.

We do not observe the physical ordinances of Israel for Jesus nailed them to His cross,for they were against us,and we only go by the moral laws,laws of love,which we establish the law,by being led of the Spirit,which we are abstaining from sin,and then not under the law.

2.There is no trinity.In the Old Testament God said,is there a God beside Me,yea,there is no God,I know not any,and before Me there was no God formed,neither shall there be after Me.I,even I,am the LORD,and beside Me there is no savior.

In the New Testament,thou believe there is one God,you do well,the devils also believe,and tremble,and but to us there is but one God,the Father,and another place one God,and Father,who is above all,and through all,and in you all.

The Bible only ascribes the Father as being God.

There is only one God,who is a Holy Spirit,and that is why the Spirit moved in creation,and Jesus was conceived of the Holy Spirit,and the Spirit dwells in the saints.

Father is a title for God,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

The Son was born of a woman,born under the law,and made according to the flesh.

Jesus is God manifest in the flesh,and according to His deity He has no beginning,but according to His humanity He has a beginning,giving meaning to the term Son,which means to be fathered.

Father,Son,and Holy Spirit,are titles,Jesus is His name,and the titles are the three relationships God has with His children.

Father-parent of the saints.

Son-God's visible relationship to the saints.

Holy Spirit-God's invisible relationship to the saints.

Not a trinity,but one God with no distinction of persons that created all things,manifest Himself in flesh,which Jesus is the fulness of the Godhead bodily,and the Spirit in Christ is still connected to the omnipresent Spirit of God,for God cannot be separated,and dwell in the saints.

God calls things that have not yet happened,as though they already happened,which the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world,and the prophets blood shed from the foundation of the world,and all the works were finished from the foundation of the world,so the Son can exist in the beginning,before He is born.

Let us make man in our image.

Old Testament-Adam made in the image of God.New Testament-Adam made in the image of Christ.Image of God is the image of Christ.

God had the plan to come in the future in flesh,and created Adam in that image,so the man Christ Jesus has to be part of the let us make man in our image,for the image is God manifest in the flesh.

Let us make man in our image,God the Father,and the man Christ Jesus.

Baptize in the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.Those are titles,not names.

Old Testament God the Father said He would speak to the Jews,and reveal His new name.The prophet Agur said what is His name,and what is His Son's name if you can tell,which they will share the same name.

Jesus said He came in the Father's name.Jesus is the name of the Father.

The Son inherited the name from the Father,and Jesus is God manifest in flesh,so it is the name of both God the Father,and the Son,the man Christ Jesus.

The Holy Spirit comes in the name of Jesus.

Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Ghost.

Luke said to baptize in Jesus name.

In the book of Acts,Jews,Gentiles,and Samaritans,were all baptized in the name of Jesus.

All we do in word or deed,is in Jesus' name.

No other name whereby we are saved,but by the name Jesus.

Jesus at the right hand of God means that God exalted Jesus to exercise the throne of power,until His enemies are conquered.

There is only one throne in heaven,and one who sits on that throne,which is the throne of both God,and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.

Jesus is the only one we will see in heaven,which Jesus said if you have seen Me,you have seen the Father.

There is one God,and one mediator between God and men,the man Christ Jesus.

The man Christ Jesus is our savior,for only a sinless man can reconcile mankind to God.No man is sinless,so God manifest Himself in flesh,and reconciled mankind back to Himself in the person of Jesus Christ,God and man in harmony.

King David said,the LORD said unto my Lord,sit on My right hand,until I make your enemies our footstool.

For the Son must reign until His enemies are conquered,and then the Son shall submit to God the Father,that God may be all in all.

The Son at the right hand is a temporary role.

Jesus said all power is given to Him in heaven,and earth.Since the man Christ Jesus is our savior,God exalted the man Christ Jesus to exercise the throne of power,until His enemies are conquered,and then He will cease exercising the throne of power,no longer at the right hand of God,and God will be all in all.

Jesus God manifest in the flesh.God ruling through the man Christ Jesus for the sake of the saints,and when all His enemies are conquered,the Son shall submit to God the Father,that God may be all in all.

There is only one throne in heaven,not two,and Jesus is the only person we will see in heaven,who is a bodily image of the invisible God,and God's visible relationship to the saints.

Jesus told the disciples when He resurrects to heaven to not ask Him anything,but only ask the Father,but in another passage of scripture Jesus said when He resurrects to heaven to ask Him,and He will do it.

There is only one God,who is a Holy Spirit.Father is a title for God,and the Son is the man Christ Jesus.

There is no trinity,and when looks at it from a trinity,there is contradictions,but look at it as one God,the Father,there is no contradictions.

No physical ordinances of Israel,only laws of love,love God,love people,be led of the Holy Spirit.

No trinity,only one God,the Father.

That is why I do not like going by what people say,which I have learned through the years to stop doing that,for they will take one scripture,and a few,and make a doctrine out of it,when it might no be the case.

Nobody can convince me of a trinity,and anything they have to say,I can prove through scripture there is no trinity.

Let us make man in our image-God the Father,and the man Christ Jesus,which the Son can exist in the beginning before He is born,for all the works were finished in the beginning,and the Lamb was slain from the foundation of the world.

Baptize in Jesus' name,Jesus is the name of the Father,Son,and Holy Spirit.

Jesus at the right hand of God.Temporary role until His enemies are conquered,then He will not be at the right hand of God,that God may be all in all.One throne in heaven,one who sits on that throne,the throne of both God,and the Lamb,God in the glorified body of the man Christ Jesus.Jesus is the only one we will see.

The Word of God,God revealing Himself in flesh.God was not in the flesh in the beginning,but the Word was in the beginning.A plan of God to come in the future in flesh,same as being in the beginning,for all the works were finished from the foundation of the world.The Word of God in the beginning was not another God,but the plan of God to come in the future in flesh,so to God it is the same as if the Word was in the beginning.
 

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Matthew 28:19 you baptize in all three's name. Not two or one but all three.
Why baptized in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost?

That there is a way to salvation

-We are reconciled to God by the death of Jesus Christ (Romans 5:10).

For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son,
much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

-by his goodness the Father brings us to and grants us repentance (Romans 2:4).

Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering;
not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?

-After repentance, we are to be baptized. (Acts 2:38).

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name
of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

-It is the Spirit that actually begets us as sons of God (Romans 8:9, 14, 16-17).
But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.

Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

-the begetting agent that comes from God, the Holy Spirit is the earnest or
down payment, of our salvation (Ephesians 1:14; Romans 8:16).

14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of
the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

16The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

-We are baptized into the truth by God’s power (Matthew 3:11; John 1:33).

3I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I,
whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:

33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me,
Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he
which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

-That Spirit, God’s power, actually dwells in us after baptism (Acts 2:38; 4:8, 31; Ezekiel 36:27).

8Then Peter, filled with the Holy Ghost, said unto them, Ye rulers of the people, and elders of Israel,

27And I will put (my spirit) within you, and (cause you to walk) in (my statutes),
and ye shall (keep my judgments, and do them).

- was given to witness to the world.

8 But ye shall (receive power), after that (the Holy Ghost) is come (upon you):
and ye shall be (witnesses) unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria,
and unto the (uttermost part) of the earth.

-teach and brings things to our remembrance through the power of His Spirit (John 14:26).

26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name,
he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

-God will give His Spirit to those who ask for right reason.(Luke 11:13).

13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children:
how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

-God reveals His secrets to us through the Holy Spirit (Luke 2:26)

26And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost, that he should
not see death, before he had seen the Lord's Christ.

The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

-helps us speak his words boldly.

31And when they had prayed, the place was shaken where they were assembled together;
and they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and they spake the word of God with boldness.

- and in truth his words about things to come.

13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself;
but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will (shew you things to come).
 

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Matthew 12:31-32
31 “Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people,
but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven.
32 Whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man, it shall be forgiven him;
but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit, it shall not be forgiven him,
either in this age or in the age to come.

We have the Father
The Son
The Holy Spirit!
blasphemes against the Holy Spirit[the very power of God]

-it is blaspheme associated with attributing Jesus'works[power of God]
to that of demons.

Matthew 9
34But the Pharisees said, He casteth out devils through the prince of the devils.

matthew 11
18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
19 The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous,
and a winebibber, a friend of publicans and sinners. But wisdom is justified of her children.

matthew 12
24But when the Pharisees heard it, they said, This fellow doth not cast out devils,
but by Beelzebub the prince of the devils.

25Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation;
and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

26 And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?
27 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your children cast them out?
therefore they shall be your judges.

28 But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.
29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods,
except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.

31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven
unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him:
but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come.
33 Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt,
and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.
34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things?
for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.

mark 3

28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men,
and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme:
29 But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness,
but is in danger of eternal damnation:
30Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.


luke 11

Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation;
and a house divided against a house falleth.
18 If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand?
because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.
19 And if I by Beelzebub cast out devils, by whom do your sons cast them out?
therefore shall they be your judges.
20 But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God
is come upon you.


John 8
48Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan,
and hast a devil? 49Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do
dishonour me. 50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.


John 10

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father:
and I lay down my life for the sheep.


19There was a division therefore again among the Jews for these sayings.
20And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
21Others said, These are not the words of him that hath a devil.
Can a devil open the eyes of the blind?

41And many resorted unto him, and said, John did no miracle:
but all things that John spake of this man were true.
 
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know all using it, itself, he, or him doesn't offend me at all Lord Jesus and Paul used those words and Jesus also says in Matthew 28:19 "the Holy Ghost" using the or any way God addresses himself so the answer to your question is no none of those words offend me if that is the best attack you have is to try to twist my words then that is very weak. The Lord wrote the Bible that long before I was born or you or anyone but all scripture to be presented in the way they meant to be said. Peter addresses no private interpretation so I hold to no word or phrase but Lord Jesus and all that he says his ways not mine. You may not like any of those terms then you tell Jesus that and I will pray for you as I do everyone else. Paul does mention the Holy Spirit in the New Testament I Corinthians 12:3 Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost. And you are wrong once again know all. And you are wrong again.
 

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Paul does mention the Holy Spirit in the New Testament I Corinthians 12:3
Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the Spirit of God
calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is the Lord,
but by the Holy Ghost.
And you are wrong once again know all. And you are wrong again.
maybe you did not read that right, I said

Paul failed to even mention the Holy Spirit in any of the greetings in his letters.
 
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It goes with the same question I ask you why isn't God even named at all in Esther? Can you answer that one? I do not judge what God wrote in any the books I try to live his ways but have failed by sin so my faith is in Lord Jesus. That's why I read the whole Bible and not just parts God says to do that. Not just greeting but all the books.
 
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It goes with the same question I ask you why isn't God even named at all in Esther? Can you answer that one? I do not judge what God wrote in any the books I try to live his ways but have failed by sin so my faith is in Lord Jesus. That's why I read the whole Bible and not just parts God says to do that. Not just greeting but all the books.
Is the Holy Spirit named in Esther?
 
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No, it doesn't I don't think you see what I am saying disciple mike no name of God is used in Esther I see you haven't read that book I encourage you to do so. It doesn't even mention Gods name at all in it. Does that make it wrong no it is pure doctrine just like the greetings Paul gave but each book has its place that's why they are 66 of them. Timothy 2 3:16 All scripture is good read all of the books not just greetings. So I ask you disciple mike is Esther false or true for not using God's name at all if you say it is false for not using Gods name then you say Paul's greeting are false for not using Holy Spirits name. That goes hand in hand. If you say Esther is false then the greetings are false which they are not they are true Romans 3:4 is for you mike if you say either is false. Just because Gods name isn't mentioned in either a book, greeting or any other place doesn't mean its wrong God Word is 100% true if you don't like that tell Jesus that. The bible from Genesis to Revelations has their place and time Thy Lord appointed them. That's his will not mine or yours nor anyone else's.