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I DON'T HAVE THE TIME NOR THE DESIRE TO HAVE THIS DISCUSSION. YOU ARE WRONG. FOLLOWING IS WHAT SCRIPTURE ACTUALLY STATES:
Question: "What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?" SOURCE
Answer: There are two separate judgments. Believers are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12). Every believer will give an account of himself, and the Lord will judge the decisions he made—including those concerning issues of conscience. This judgment does not determine salvation, which is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), but rather is the time when believers must give an account of their lives in service to Christ. Our position in Christ is the “foundation” spoken of in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. That which we build upon the foundation can be the “gold, silver, and precious stones” of good works in Christ’s name, obedience and fruitfulness—dedicated spiritual service to glorify God and build the church. Or what we build on the foundation may be the “wood, hay and stubble” of worthless, frivolous, shallow activity with no spiritual value. The Judgment Seat of Christ will reveal this.
The gold, silver and precious stones in the lives of believers will survive God’s refining fire (v. 13), and believers will be rewarded based on those good works—how faithfully we served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27), how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), how well we controlled our tongues (James 3:1-9), etc. We will have to give an account for our actions, whether they were truly indicative of our position in Christ. The fire of God’s judgment will completely burn up the “wood, hay and stubble” of the words we spoke and things we did which had no eternal value. “So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” (Romans 14:12 ).
The second judgment is that of unbelievers who will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). This judgment does not determine salvation, either. Everyone at the Great White Throne is an unbeliever who has rejected Christ in life and is therefore already doomed to the lake of fire.Revelation 20:12 says that unbelievers will be “judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Those who have rejected Christ as Lord and Savior will be judged based on their works alone, and because the Bible tells us that “by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified” (Galatians 2:16), they will be condemned. No amount of good works and the keeping of God’s laws can be sufficient to atone for sin. All their thoughts, words and actions will be judged against God’s perfect standard and found wanting. There will be no reward for them, only eternal condemnation and punishment.
Question: "What does the Bible say about when God will judge us?" SOURCE
Answer: There are two separate judgments. Believers are judged at the Judgment Seat of Christ (Romans 14:10-12). Every believer will give an account of himself, and the Lord will judge the decisions he made—including those concerning issues of conscience. This judgment does not determine salvation, which is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), but rather is the time when believers must give an account of their lives in service to Christ. Our position in Christ is the “foundation” spoken of in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15. That which we build upon the foundation can be the “gold, silver, and precious stones” of good works in Christ’s name, obedience and fruitfulness—dedicated spiritual service to glorify God and build the church. Or what we build on the foundation may be the “wood, hay and stubble” of worthless, frivolous, shallow activity with no spiritual value. The Judgment Seat of Christ will reveal this.
The gold, silver and precious stones in the lives of believers will survive God’s refining fire (v. 13), and believers will be rewarded based on those good works—how faithfully we served Christ (1 Corinthians 9:4-27), how well we obeyed the Great Commission (Matthew 28:18-20), how victorious we were over sin (Romans 6:1-4), how well we controlled our tongues (James 3:1-9), etc. We will have to give an account for our actions, whether they were truly indicative of our position in Christ. The fire of God’s judgment will completely burn up the “wood, hay and stubble” of the words we spoke and things we did which had no eternal value. “So then, each of us will give an account of himself to God” (Romans 14:12 ).
The second judgment is that of unbelievers who will be judged at the Great White Throne Judgment (Revelation 20:11-15). This judgment does not determine salvation, either. Everyone at the Great White Throne is an unbeliever who has rejected Christ in life and is therefore already doomed to the lake of fire.Revelation 20:12 says that unbelievers will be “judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.” Those who have rejected Christ as Lord and Savior will be judged based on their works alone, and because the Bible tells us that “by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified” (Galatians 2:16), they will be condemned. No amount of good works and the keeping of God’s laws can be sufficient to atone for sin. All their thoughts, words and actions will be judged against God’s perfect standard and found wanting. There will be no reward for them, only eternal condemnation and punishment.
I have always found it interesting that we (mankind) has such a powerful desire (need?) to be judged by someone. It so glaringly shows up in religion, but also, sometimes in more subtle ways in just about all aspects of our lives.
We don't seem to live for the joy of living, or even of pleasing someone else, but rather for the "approval" of external sources.
We don't seem to live for the joy of living, or even of pleasing someone else, but rather for the "approval" of external sources.
If by judgment we mean evaluation, then yes, but if we mean judgment as in judging people as to being a child of God, then it depends what we use as a basis.
It's not our job to decide who goes to heaven or hell, and we're not called to be fruit-inspectors, but we have to judge what people teach and even believe because false teachers abound and many are led astray from the grace of God.
Judgment unto condemnation is not our job, but judgement (discernment and evaluation) to help others be saved and grow is pretty much a requirement.
God's judgment for sin was satisfied in Jesus. Reject Him and you reject God's gift of salvation, and there remains no more sacrifice for sin, only judgment.
Believe in Jesus and the judgment for rewards is coming, but we're to seek the giver first, and let Him add as He will.
Great stuff, LaurenTM, about the throne of judgment, and thank you for the gentle reminder that I (shamefully) have a lot of 'works' that will be burned up, and I only hope that I have SOMEthing to show for so great a salvation, but how to go about that I honestly don't know and feel very inadequate. But I'm trusting Jesus for my salvation, if that's 'all' I 'get', that's more than I deserve, but He's worthy of so much more of me. I offer Him my all, but sometimes I think, 'OK, now what?'
It's not our job to decide who goes to heaven or hell, and we're not called to be fruit-inspectors, but we have to judge what people teach and even believe because false teachers abound and many are led astray from the grace of God.
Judgment unto condemnation is not our job, but judgement (discernment and evaluation) to help others be saved and grow is pretty much a requirement.
God's judgment for sin was satisfied in Jesus. Reject Him and you reject God's gift of salvation, and there remains no more sacrifice for sin, only judgment.
Believe in Jesus and the judgment for rewards is coming, but we're to seek the giver first, and let Him add as He will.
Great stuff, LaurenTM, about the throne of judgment, and thank you for the gentle reminder that I (shamefully) have a lot of 'works' that will be burned up, and I only hope that I have SOMEthing to show for so great a salvation, but how to go about that I honestly don't know and feel very inadequate. But I'm trusting Jesus for my salvation, if that's 'all' I 'get', that's more than I deserve, but He's worthy of so much more of me. I offer Him my all, but sometimes I think, 'OK, now what?'
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That is silly.
Why would you start a thread on "deeper look",but throw a fit when someone challenges your one dimensional edited version of God's word?
Get the ole scissors out friend,because the word of God is LOADED WITH THOSE VERSES.
YOU WOULD LITERALLY HAVE TO TURN APOSTATE TO AVOID ANY DISCIPLE FROM HEAVEN.
THE REASON HE JUDGES US NOW,IN THIS LIFE,IS BECAUSE WE ARE HIS CHILDREN.
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
NOW HERE IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE SCOURGED AND CHSTIZZED IN THIS LIFE;
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Now,there is a lot more in scripture concerning the judgement of us his children,IN THIS LIFE but that is something you would rather sweep aside right?
Why would you start a thread on "deeper look",but throw a fit when someone challenges your one dimensional edited version of God's word?
Get the ole scissors out friend,because the word of God is LOADED WITH THOSE VERSES.
YOU WOULD LITERALLY HAVE TO TURN APOSTATE TO AVOID ANY DISCIPLE FROM HEAVEN.
THE REASON HE JUDGES US NOW,IN THIS LIFE,IS BECAUSE WE ARE HIS CHILDREN.
6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
NOW HERE IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE SCOURGED AND CHSTIZZED IN THIS LIFE;
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Now,there is a lot more in scripture concerning the judgement of us his children,IN THIS LIFE but that is something you would rather sweep aside right?
Brother, I'm not sure those verses refer to judgment. I think they pretty straight forward mean instruction. Of course in the very broad sense it could be construed as judgment. Like in the sense that the Lord "judges" what we are doing as wrong and sinful, but only for instruction sake not punishment.
Why did they hate, buffet and persecute the only good man to ever live?
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation : but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Joh 15:25 But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.
Joh 16:33 These things I have spoken unto you, that in me ye might have peace. In the world ye shall have tribulation : but be of good cheer; I have overcome the world.
For the cause of Christ
Roger