Let's Take a Deeper Look at this Hyper Stuff

[popeye]

I get it, you deny the efficacy of the cross.

tell me which verse you cut out first?



That is silly.
Why would you start a thread on "deeper look",but throw a fit when someone challenges your one dimensional edited version of God's word?

Get the ole scissors out friend,because the word of God is LOADED WITH THOSE VERSES.

YOU WOULD LITERALLY HAVE TO TURN APOSTATE TO AVOID ANY DISCIPLE FROM HEAVEN.

THE REASON HE JUDGES US NOW,IN THIS LIFE,IS BECAUSE WE ARE HIS CHILDREN.

6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
10 For they verily for a few days chastened us after their own pleasure; but he for our profit, that we might be partakers of his holiness.
11 Now no chastening for the present seemeth to be joyous, but grievous: nevertheless afterward it yieldeth the peaceable fruit of righteousness unto them which are exercised thereby.

5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.


19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.

NOW HERE IS THE REASON WHY WE ARE SCOURGED AND CHSTIZZED IN THIS LIFE;

12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?



Now,there is a lot more in scripture concerning the judgement of us his children,IN THIS LIFE but that is something you would rather sweep aside right?

 

[FreeNChrist]

I just showed you that the righteous man judges all things,and you poo poo it as if you pat God himself on the head and tell him to go play.

Did Jesus take all of the judgement rightfully due us for our sins, or not?.

 

[popeye]

Did Jesus take all of the judgement rightfully due us for our sins, or not?.

Are you saying he DOES NOT discipline his children ?

You can not answer any 1 question specifically can you?

You entire dialog is memorized rehearsed workbook talk huh?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Are you saying he DOES NOT discipline his children ?

You can not answer any 1 question specifically can you?

You entire dialog is memorized rehearsed workbook talk huh?

It is your belief that God is judging His children. This has nothing to do with Gods discipline. That's your smoke screen.

 

[popeye]

Oh,ok wait.

You guys have no idea what judgement is,do you

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[FreeNChrist]

Oh,ok wait.

You guys have no idea what judgement is,do you

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Did Jesus take all of the judgement rightfully due us for our sins, or not?.

 

[popeye]

It is your belief that God is judging His children. This has nothing to do with Gods discipline. That's your smoke screen.

You simply do not understand the word do you?

All you see is a one dimensional picture of the GWT judgement,and any reference to that WORD,or its use in another template,defaults back to that end of days with God sending folks into the LOF.

No wonder you are so jumpy over that word.

 

[Magenta]

Did Jesus take all of the judgement rightfully due us for our sins, or not?.

"Now my soul is troubled, and what shall I say? 'Father, save me
from this hour'? No, it was for this very reason I came to this hour."

 

[popeye]

Did Jesus take all of the judgement rightfully due us for our sins, or not?.

Are you allowed to use the word outside of the GWT judgemet?

When you judge distance while driving is there some LOF involved?

 

[FreeNChrist]

Are you allowed to use the word outside of the GWT judgemet?

When you judge distance while driving is there some LOF involved?

The judgement against sin is death. Not a slap on the wrist or a cat of nine tails to the back.

 

[popeye]

The judgement against sin is death. Not a slap on the wrist or a cat of nine tails to the back.

You are invincibly ignorant. You take one dimension ,,LOF ,,and that is ALL YOU KNOW,OR CARE TO KNOW.

Mariam received leprosy for what she said against moses. (judgement)

God judged her

He disciplined her,and TOLD MOSES HE WAS DISCIPLINING HER.

Will await the next challenge from your one dimensional workbook.

 

[FreeNChrist]

You are invincibly ignorant. You take one dimension ,,LOF ,,and that is ALL YOU KNOW,OR CARE TO KNOW.

Mariam received leprosy for what she said against moses. (judgement)

God judged her

He disciplined her,and TOLD MOSES HE WAS DISCIPLINING HER.

Will await the next challenge from your one dimensional workbook.

Did Jesus take all of the judgement rightfully due us for our sins, or not?.

 

[popeye]

I would have never thought in my wildest dreams that grown ups would fall apart over the use of the word "judged".

Really?

That word is prohibited?

 

[popeye]

Did Jesus take all of the judgement rightfully due us for our sins, or not?.

Did he judge the disciples to be of little faith?

What was the outcome?

LOF?

everytime,without fail,you default into LOF/judgement.

 

[popeye]

You are invincibly ignorant. You take one dimension ,,LOF ,,and that is ALL YOU KNOW,OR CARE TO KNOW.

Mariam received leprosy for what she said against moses. (judgement)

God judged her

He disciplined her,and TOLD MOSES HE WAS DISCIPLINING HER.

Will await the next challenge from your one dimensional workbook.

The reason this blinds is because of some religious spirit.

It literally is hidden

 

[JGIG]

If we look at Romans 7, Paul has held captive by sin because He was trying to keep law, and when the law came I died, who shall deliver me from this body of sin? I thank My Lord Jesus Christ. When Paul looked to the law, He became bound by sin for the law was designed to expose sin and provided no remedy. Then Paul realized that He himself could not keep the morals of God on his own. He needed the help of the Holy Spirit. Jesus said "I will send the helper(Paraclete)". Paul gave us and God gave to Him the revelation, that only if our faith is placed in the work of the cross. Then the Holy Spirit will work in us and through us to produce good fruit. If are faith is jilted some how to something else, such as prayer clothes or keeping Sabbath or not eating pork or blowing the shofar or a 21 day Daniel fast or whatever the church comes up with, the Holy Spirit will not and cannot help us. Eat your sader and keep the feast of Passover, it will do no good. We must have our faith exclusivily in the work of the Cross for the Holy Spirit to act on our behalf. The cross is the only thing that the Father will accept.

I am giving meat and not milk, I am nothing only a servant, but for those who want meat I have told the truth. God bless you all.

And this is an important point, RobbyEarl - so many think that learning to keep the Laws for righteous behavior is the meat, and salvation/sanctification by grace through faith is the milk.

It is exactly the opposite! The letter to the Hebrews details this well in chapters 5 and 6.

Great posts!

-JGIG

 

[JGIG]

Have been thinking about a post by lynn earlier. And then something also in G777's last post.

I have never liked the word "adopted" to speak of us who belong to God now.
Because an adopted child who has been in and out of different homes, who the world has pushed around and hurt, has the fearful thought that if they do something wrong or make a mistake, they will be rejected again and sent out of the family.

This seems to me like some of us, with God.

Some grace preachers call that fear an 'orphan spirit'.

Here's something I wrote several years ago, an excerpt from this article:

Repentance Unto Salvation: A One Time Thing or an Every-Time-We-Sin Thing?​

This is one of those times when it is so important to have a good grasp on who we are in Christ and what that actually means:​

Ephesians 1:3-14
3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ. 4 For he chose us in him before the creation of the world to be holy and blameless in his sight. In love 5 he predestined us for adoption to sonship through Jesus Christ, in accordance with his pleasure and will— 6 to the praise of his glorious grace, which he has freely given us in the One he loves. 7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, in accordance with the riches of God’s grace 8 that he lavished on us. With all wisdom and understanding, 9 he made known to us the mystery of his will according to his good pleasure, which he purposed in Christ, 10 to be put into effect when the times reach their fulfillment—to bring unity to all things in heaven and on earth under Christ.

11 In him we were also chosen, having been predestined according to the plan of him who works out everything in conformity with the purpose of his will, 12 in order that we, who were the first to put our hope in Christ, might be for the praise of his glory. 13 And you also were included in Christ when you heard the message of truth, the gospel of your salvation. When you believed, you were marked in him with a seal, the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is a deposit guaranteeing our inheritance until the redemption of those who are God’s possession—to the praise of his glory.
​

Do Christians need to turn away from sin in their lives? Yes. Out of love for God and love for others, but not as a ‘maintenance payment’ on our salvation. And that love is a Fruit produced by the Holy Spirit living through us. Love is not a work that we perform,we bear His Fruit (His yoke is easy, His burden is light) that the Holy Spirit produces as He lives through us –
and sometimes good Fruit takes time . . .

After reading the passage above, let me put it this way:

If you adopt a child, and that child disobeys you, does that child cease to be your child until they repent of that particular transgression?

No.

While there is disciplining and shepherding going on in the life of that child, they are yours, for you have made a commitment of adoption and a promise of an inheritance to them. Your commitment and promise to them at the time of adoption is not conditional on the future behavior of the child. But neither do you go into that commitment or give that promise blindly, for you know that you will have significant influence in the steering and training and LOVING of that child!

So it is with we who are adopted into sonship by God through Jesus Christ.

While a flawed human parent can disown ANY child – natural or adopted – from their inheritance, the cool thing is that God has made a promise guaranteeing our inheritance by marking us with His seal, the promised Holy Spirit! We are a New Creation in Him! And with that seal, the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, comes the work of sanctification . . . the ever changing of the believer from the inside out, making us more and more a reflection of the character of Jesus Christ.
God has not made the commitment blindly – for He knows that He will have significant influence via His Holy Spirit in the steering and the training and the LOVING of His adopted.

Just as with the adopted in the natural world, God does not reject what HE has done when WE mess up. He lovingly and firmly disciplines [and let me add here that godly discipline is training for our future, not punishment for our past] His children, faithful to complete the work He began in us.
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Philippians 1:3-11
3 I thank my God every time I remember you. 4 In all my prayers for all of you, I always pray with joy 5 because of your partnership in the gospel from the first day until now, 6 being confident of this, that he who began a good work in you will carry it on to completion until the day of Christ Jesus.

7 It is right for me to feel this way about all of you, since I have you in my heart and, whether I am in chains or defending and confirming the gospel, all of you share in God’s grace with me. 8 God can testify how I long for all of you with the affection of Christ
Jesus.

9 And this is my prayer: that your love may abound more and more in knowledge and depth of insight, 10 so that you may be able to discern what is best and may be pure and blameless for the day of Christ, 11 filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ—to the glory and praise of God.
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This is the goal of those in Christ! Without constant fear of God disowning us when we fail.

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I hope that is helpful to some!

-JGIG

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[BenFTW]

Hmm... whats with the back and forth over discipline and judgement? There is no condemnation in Christ Jesus because He did take our punishment (death) upon Himself for our sins but that is not to dismiss the fact that sin has natural consequences. Also too, God is our Father and His discipline is to lead us in righteousness, to avoid the consequences of sin.

VVhen raising a child do you not do the same? Discipline for their good? Until an appropriate age where they can choose right or wrong and see its consequence? I think you guys must define the severity of the discipline, as that is where there must be disagreement. How will God discipline us? That is the question.

 

[JGIG]

Anyone that becomes a believer,and is not taught those things in the first year of conversion needs to fire their pastor.

What,pray tell,do you do when you receive a good whipping from God?

Oh,wait,I think your question tells me the deal.

Since I was corrected,(rear end warmed up) back in the 50's and 60's,I understand what God means when he says he SCOURGES his children.

I suspect I am up against the "time out" mindset that was never disciplined or disciplines their own children.

God does not beat his children.

Godly discipline is training for the future, not punishment for our past.

An excellent teaching regarding this issue can be heard here (it addresses the Hebrews 12 'scourging' language):

Church Without Religion | By His Stripes Or Ours​

Please, please, please listen to it!

-JGIG

 

[Stunnedbygrace]

You know, lauren said something earlier that was like an electric shock to me. Because she saw, at core, the groundwork for the argument and I didn't see it.
I'm wondering if there is any argument on earth that we could even have that ISN'T, at core, that same argument...
Seriously, I haven't recovered. Because I didn't see what the groundwork was.

And you know, I wasn't OSAS until I got to know God more. And I think some would say I wasn't OSAS, even though I believe I am. But I do think there is one thing that would strike this. The apostle who said: I want to warn and remind you that those God saved nevertheless died when they did not remain trusting.
(My paraphrase)