So what about the fourth commandment?

[jamesg1951]

What is the purpose of the Sabbath day?

1. To remember all God has given us. Like how we remember those who gave their lives on "Remembrance Day".

2. To take the time to think about the busy week we just went through and whether we acted properly in the sight of God.

3. To think about the week ahead of us BEFORE we make incorrect choices caused by daily stress.

4. As a tithe of our time. Just like we give back from the bounty God gives us.

5. And just to rest and allow our spirit to regenerate, just as we rest our body to let it regenerate.

We should not have to be bound by a law or a commandment to do these things. And if there is a NEED to be met like saving or helping a person , that too should be done in the attitude of the purpose of the day.

 

[FreeNChrist]

What is the purpose of the Sabbath day?

To be a precursor to the eternal rest that has now been made available in Christ Jesus.

 

[jamesg1951]

"Eternal rest" ??? Gee, I thought it was just one day rest not eternal rest. One day of 7. Not work for 6 days and then rest forever....

 

[Wall]

what day do you start counting from?

do you even know how the Jews determined which day was Sabbath?

Very weak arguement PH. Jesus kept the same sabbath as the Jews and i gotta believe He got the right day seeing He made the sabbath day. Jews have been keeping the same day since Christ

 

[FreeNChrist]

"Eternal rest" ??? Gee, I thought it was just one day rest not eternal rest. One day of 7. Not work for 6 days and then rest forever....

Thats cause you're still stuck in the old. It's not a day, the day only pointed to the Person, Jesus Christ, who would actually give you rest, eternal rest in Him.

 

[FreeNChrist]

Very weak arguement PH. Jesus kept the same sabbath as the Jews and i gotta believe He got the right day seeing He made the sabbath day. Jews have been keeping the same day since Christ

Well, of course He did. He was a Jew, born under the Law, in order to free those under the Law. Which He has done. And of course practicing Jews still keep the sabbath as a day....they have to....their religion requires it.

 

[Magenta]

Very weak arguement PH. Jesus kept the same sabbath as the Jews and i gotta believe He got the right day seeing He made the sabbath day. Jews have been keeping the same day since Christ

The Jews of Jesus' time believed Jesus broke the Sabbath. They wanted to kill Him for it.

 

[prove-all]

The oracles of God

This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel
which spake to him in [the mount Sina], and with our fathers:

who received the lively oracles [ to give unto us ] Acts 7:38

For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need
that one teach you again which be the first principles of

[the oracles of God]; and are become such as have
need of milk, and not of strong meat. Hebrews 5:12

If any man speak, let him speak as [the oracles of God];
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:

that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen. 1 Peter 4:11

What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision?
Much every way:chiefly, because that unto them

were committed [the oracles of God]. Romans 3:2

- - -

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge:
because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee,
that thou shalt be no priest to me:

seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.

As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them.
O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths.

 

[KohenMatt]

The Jews of Jesus' time believed Jesus broke the Sabbath. They wanted to kill Him for it.

Right. So when we see Jesus coming against the Pharisees for keeping the Sabbath, He is coming against them, not the Sabbath itself.

 

[jamesg1951]

Thats cause you're still stuck in the old. It's not a day, the day only pointed to the Person, Jesus Christ, who would actually give you rest, eternal rest in Him.

I thought Jesus wanted us to love one another. That is not resting. You have to DO something for others if you are to love them. You know, feeding the hungry, healing the sick,

 

[Wall]

Yes! And who's law are we under? It is no longer Moses, it is Christ (Romans 7:1-4, Matthew 28:18, Matthew 17:1-5).

You do know that Moses didnt come up with those laws or commandments. Dont you?

Exodus 16:25-28 (KJV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
[SUP]27 [/SUP]And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

 

[Wall]

The Jews of Jesus' time believed Jesus broke the Sabbath. They wanted to kill Him for it.

I hope that your not one those who believes Jesus sinned

 

[Wall]

Good example from scripture. I also like the following:

Tell me, you who want to be under the Law, do you not understand what the Law says? For it is written that Abraham had two sons, one by the slave woman and the other by the free woman. His son by the slave woman was born according to the flesh, but his son by the free woman was born because of the promise. These things serve as illustrations, for the women represent two covenants. One covenant is from Mount Sinai and bears children into slavery: This is Hagar. Now Hagar stands for Mount Sinai in Arabia and corresponds to the present
-day Jerusalem, because she is in slavery with her children. But the Jerusalem above is free, and she is our
mother.

Once again! Scripture that is talking about circumsicion and applying that scripture to the 10 commandments.

GALATIANS 4 [21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM THE MOUNT SINAI, WHICH GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, WHICH IS AGAR. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.......... [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Is the above scripture speaking of the 10 commandments as you claim or is it simply speaking of circumcision?

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

ACTS 7 [8] And he gave him the COVENANT OF CIRCUMCISION: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.

BOTH the 10 commandments and circumcision were givin as “covenants”

EXODUS 24 [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, COME UP TO ME INTO THE MOUNT, and be there: and I WILL GIVE THEE tables of stone, AND A LAW, AND COMMANDMENTS which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

LEVITICUS 7 [37] THIS IS THE LAW OF THE BURNT OFFERING, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings; [38] WHICH THE LORD COMMANDED MOSES IN MOUNT SINAI, in the day that he commanded the children of Israel to offer their oblations unto the Lord, in the wilderness of Sinai.

Both covenants, the 10 commandments and the law of Moses were given at Mt Sinai.

JOHN 7 [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.[22] MOSES THEREFORE GAVE UNTO YOU CIRCUMCISION; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.[23] If a man on the sabbath day RECEIVE CIRCUMCISION, THAT THE LAW OF MOSES SHOULD NOT BE BROKEN; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Circumcision is of the law of Moses and given at Sinai. So which of these, the 10 commandments or circumcision do the scriptures say bring us into “bondage” {Gal.4:24}?

And the winner is....

GALATIANS 5 [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE. [2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED, CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I thought Jesus wanted us to love one another. That is not resting. You have to DO something for others if you are to love them. You know, feeding the hungry, healing the sick,

That's not what we are given rest from. We are given rest from the futility and bondage of trying to make ourselves acceptable to a perfect God.

 

[garee]

I thought Jesus wanted us to love one another. That is not resting. You have to DO something for others if you are to love them. You know, feeding the hungry, healing the sick,

Exactly the reason he gave a day of rest from our normal servile work in regard to; if a man does not work than neither shall they eat the fruit of their work . A day we can work to bring the gospel. His fruit of His work of faith to the world. Its the kind of true fast that does drive out demons.

 

[Wall]

None! We are simply not under the law. By not being under the law, we can't break the law.

1 JOHN 3 [4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

1 JOHN 1 [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

 

[garee]

1 JOHN 3 [4] Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for SIN IS THE TRANSGRESSION OF THE LAW.

1 JOHN 1 [10] If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

It does not apply to cerimoinal laws .They are shadows that point to the eternal rest we will receive in our new bodies..

 

[garee]

Once again! Scripture that is talking about circumsicion and applying that scripture to the 10 commandments.

GALATIANS 4 [21] Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? [22] For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. [23] But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. [24] Which things are an allegory: for these are the TWO COVENANTS; THE ONE FROM THE MOUNT SINAI, WHICH GENDERETH TO BONDAGE, WHICH IS AGAR. [25] For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. [26] But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.......... [30] Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

Is the above scripture speaking of the 10 commandments as you claim or is it simply speaking of circumcision?

EXODUS 34 [28] And he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights; he did neither eat bread, nor drink water. And he wrote upon the tables the words of the COVENANT, the TEN COMMANDMENTS.

ACTS 7 [8] And he gave him the COVENANT OF CIRCUMCISION: and so Abraham begat Isaac, and circumcised him the eighth day; and Isaac begat Jacob; and Jacob begat the twelve patriarchs.

BOTH the 10 commandments and circumcision were givin as “covenants”

EXODUS 24 [12] And the Lord said unto Moses, COME UP TO ME INTO THE MOUNT, and be there: and I WILL GIVE THEE tables of stone, AND A LAW, AND COMMANDMENTS which I have written; that thou mayest teach them.

LEVITICUS 7 [37] THIS IS THE LAW OF THE BURNT OFFERING, of the meat offering, and of the sin offering, and of the trespass offering, and of the consecrations, and of the sacrifice of the peace offerings; [38] WHICH THE LORD COMMANDED MOSES IN MOUNT SINAI, in the day that he commanded the children of Israel to offer their oblations unto the Lord, in the wilderness of Sinai.

Both covenants, the 10 commandments and the law of Moses were given at Mt Sinai.

JOHN 7 [21] Jesus answered and said unto them, I have done one work, and ye all marvel.[22] MOSES THEREFORE GAVE UNTO YOU CIRCUMCISION; (not because it is of Moses, but of the fathers and ye on the sabbath day circumcise a man.[23] If a man on the sabbath day RECEIVE CIRCUMCISION, THAT THE LAW OF MOSES SHOULD NOT BE BROKEN; are ye angry at me, because I have made a man every whit whole on the sabbath day?

Circumcision is of the law of Moses and given at Sinai. So which of these, the 10 commandments or circumcision do the scriptures say bring us into “bondage” {Gal.4:24}?

And the winner is....

GALATIANS 5 [1] Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and BE NOT ENTANGLED AGAIN WITH THE YOKE OF BONDAGE. [2] Behold, I Paul say unto you, that IF YE BE CIRCUMCISED, CHRIST SHALL PROFIT YOU NOTHING.

Circumcision (to cut off the flesh) like the Sabbaths(rests) are ceremonial laws.... shadows of that not seen used only in respect to fleshly laws until the time of refomation. Christ our bloody husband fulfilled that kind of law when he was cut of from the flesh in the land of the living.


And it came to pass by the way in the inn, that the LORD met him, and sought to kill him.Then Zipporah took a sharp stone, and cut off the foreskin of her son, and cast it at his feet, and said, Surely a bloody husband art thou to me. So he let him go: then she said, A bloody husband thou art, because of the circumcision.Exo 4:25

 

[Wall]

Did you realize that the law was never given to you? Oh I know that's a huge shock. But Scripture is clear. We come in through Abraham. And the ol Father of Faith wasn't given the law.

You say Abe wasnt givin the law?

GENESIS 26 [3] Sojourn in this land, and I will be with thee, and will bless thee; for unto thee, and unto thy seed, I will give all these countries, and I WILL PERFORM THE OATH WHICH I SWARE UNTO ABRAHAM thy father; [4] And I will make thy seed to multiply as the stars of heaven, and will give unto thy seed all these countries; and in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; [5] BECAUSE THAT ABRAHAM OBEYED MY VOICE, and kept my charge, MY COMMANDMENTS, my statutes, and MY LAWS.

Not so. Abraham was observing to keep Gods 10 commandments? He heard and obeyed Gods "voice"


DEUT. 27 [8] And thou shalt write upon the stones all the words of this law very plainly. [9] And Moses and the priests the Levites spake unto all Israel, saying, Take heed, and hearken, O Israel; this day thou art become the people of the Lord thy God . [10] Thou shalt therefore OBEY THE VOICE of the Lord thy God, and DO HIS COMMANDMENTS and his statutes, which I command thee this day.

DEUT. 4 [12] And the Lord spake unto you out of the midst of the fire: ye heard THE VOICE of the words, but saw no similitude; only ye heard a voice. [13] And he declared unto you his covenant, which HE COMMANDED YOU TO PERFORM, EVEN TEN COMMANDMENTS; and he wrote them upon two tables of stone.

The voice...The 10 commandments. No doubt about it

ZEPHANIAH 3 [1] Woe to her that is filthy and polluted, to the oppressing city! [2] SHE OBEYED NOT THE VOICE; she received not correction; she trusted not in the LORD; she drew not near to her God. [3] Her princes within her are ROARING LIONS; her judges are evening WOLVES; they gnaw not the bones till the morrow. [4] Her prophets are light and treacherous persons: her priests have polluted the sanctuary, THEY HAVE DONE VIOLENCE TO THE LAW.

The bad guys will not obey the "voice". Youll find those lions and wolves mentioned in the new covenant scriptures. The bad guys


JOHN 10 [27] MY SHEEP HEAR MY VOICE, and I know them, and they follow me: [28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

Also Gods sheep shall also hear His “voice”.

HEBREWS 4 [6] Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief:[7] Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, TO DAY IF YE WILL HEAR HIS VOICE, harden not your hearts.

Was this prophecied to happen?

DEUTERONOMY 4 [26] I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that ye shall soon utterly perish from off the land whereunto ye go over Jordan to possess it; ye shall not prolong your days upon it, but shall utterly be destroyed. [27] And THE LORD SHALL SCATTER YOU AMONG THE NATIONS, and ye shall be left few in number among the heathen, whither the LORD shall lead you. [28] And there ye shall serve gods, the work of men's hands, wood and stone, which neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. [29] But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul. [30] When thou art in TRIBULATION, and all these things are come upon thee, even in THE LATTER DAYS, if thou turn to the LORD thy God, and shalt be OBEDIENT UNTO HIS VOICE; [31] (For the LORD thy God is a merciful God he will not forsake thee, neither destroy thee, nor forget the covenant of thy fathers which he sware unto them.

Yup

 

[jamesg1951]

That's not what we are given rest from. We are given rest from the futility and bondage of trying to make ourselves acceptable to a perfect God.

It is of course the Comforter who does that inasmuch as we allow Him to. Then as a resullt of that indwelling Spirit we do not do things that would bring us into conflict with the law.