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The earthly family is an example of the heavenly.
God uses this analogy.
Nothing new,nothing perverted,no boggey man.
So what do you guys do?
You take an evil perverted child beater as your template.
Well,I can take a little better picture of God than that.
So,you guys think that there is no such thing as disciple,right?
God never has and never will discipline a believer.
You think when a child does wrong,and say,steals money out of momma's purse,or takes a candy bar from the store,any CORRECTION would be either beating him senseless,or breaking his legs.
Disciple,correction,JUDGEMENT,is all very normal,w
Very necessary family health.
That is WHY,when we sin,(stray off course),and refuse correction,we end up in the perfect storm,because one of two things will happen. Either God will judge you,(as in Corinthians,Miriam,David),or even worse,God will let you off the hook due to your luke warm nothing walk.
This WHY the word says " TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN,MUCH Is REQUIRED."
"I WOULD THAT MOT ALL BE TEACHERS,THEY ARE HELD TO A STRICTER JUDGEMENT"
God uses this analogy.
Nothing new,nothing perverted,no boggey man.
So what do you guys do?
You take an evil perverted child beater as your template.
Well,I can take a little better picture of God than that.
So,you guys think that there is no such thing as disciple,right?
God never has and never will discipline a believer.
You think when a child does wrong,and say,steals money out of momma's purse,or takes a candy bar from the store,any CORRECTION would be either beating him senseless,or breaking his legs.
Disciple,correction,JUDGEMENT,is all very normal,w
Very necessary family health.
That is WHY,when we sin,(stray off course),and refuse correction,we end up in the perfect storm,because one of two things will happen. Either God will judge you,(as in Corinthians,Miriam,David),or even worse,God will let you off the hook due to your luke warm nothing walk.
This WHY the word says " TO WHOM MUCH IS GIVEN,MUCH Is REQUIRED."
"I WOULD THAT MOT ALL BE TEACHERS,THEY ARE HELD TO A STRICTER JUDGEMENT"
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That's a pretty sick image of God you hold to. God's discipline is not punitive. It is the loving process of bringing up a child, the nurturing (Eph. 6:4) process of child-training (2 Tim. 3:16). The process of bringing a child to maturity…to responsible adulthood. Within the new covenant context it is the process of bringing a child of God unto maturity as a son.
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Sin issue.
How is it dealt with?
CC; "OH,not to worry,it is all dealt with. In fact,the proper action is no action. Just pretend it never happened. God just winks,and chuckles at anything you do in sin"
Earthly example; " That candy bar you took at the store,no big deal,enjoy it,because I knew you would steal,so I went to the store a year ago,and gave them $100 because I am such a Good father,I wanted to see you free of condemnation. When that runs out,I will simply pay the store more advancement."
BECAUSE TO OFFER CORRECTION (a belt) would be massive evil and perversion.
( since 3 licks translates into intensive care,a ruined child,and breaking both legs and one arm)
How is it dealt with?
CC; "OH,not to worry,it is all dealt with. In fact,the proper action is no action. Just pretend it never happened. God just winks,and chuckles at anything you do in sin"
Earthly example; " That candy bar you took at the store,no big deal,enjoy it,because I knew you would steal,so I went to the store a year ago,and gave them $100 because I am such a Good father,I wanted to see you free of condemnation. When that runs out,I will simply pay the store more advancement."
BECAUSE TO OFFER CORRECTION (a belt) would be massive evil and perversion.
( since 3 licks translates into intensive care,a ruined child,and breaking both legs and one arm)
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no sorry
you need to take your eyes off the cross
just keep them on Jesus
and yes I know all the scriptures regarding pick up your cross, die daily, buried with Christ etc
I think we might be in pretty close to the same place, maybe just wording it differently
we all put Jesus on the cross; God resurrected Him
This is an interesting piece of scripture in John 12 where the translators "added" a word in the text to suit their pre-conceived beliefs.
John 12:31-33 (NASB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] "Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all " men" to Myself." ( men is not in the text )
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die.
In verse 27 before this - Jesus is talking that He came into the world for this very hour. Jesus came and drew all judgment that was on sin to Himself so that He could redeem us.
Jesus really said "If I be lifted up - I will draw all judgment to Myself" - because Jesus was talking about judgment in this passage.
The context here is "judgment".
John 12:31-33 (NASB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] "Now judgment is upon this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all " men" to Myself." ( men is not in the text )
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But He was saying this to indicate the kind of death by which He was to die.
In verse 27 before this - Jesus is talking that He came into the world for this very hour. Jesus came and drew all judgment that was on sin to Himself so that He could redeem us.
Jesus really said "If I be lifted up - I will draw all judgment to Myself" - because Jesus was talking about judgment in this passage.
The context here is "judgment".
Isaiah 53King James Version (KJV)
53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.
53 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the Lord revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7 He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8 He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9 And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
11 He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities.
12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.