Let's Take a Deeper Look at this Hyper Stuff

[ladylynn]

Well,the bible depicts a radical walk.

"in him we move,and live,and have our being"

There is enough in that sentance to make a hundred sermons.

Some are taking communion with unforgiveness,adultery,anger,and a thousand other issues in them.

That is what unworthy means.

That is why they are heaping sickness and death on them.

Anyone that gets sick,needs to carefully examine themselves.

But the whole area of just HOW GREAT A SALVATION Jesus has secured for us is what I'm talking about. It goes beyond 'our' worthiness and goes right into our worthiness IN CHRIST. If you are IN Christ your sins are forgiven and by grace you have been saved. You are no longer UN worthy. You ARE worthy because you are in Christ. That is the only thing that gets us saved and beginning on the right path of any ability to live and move and have our being. It is ONLY IN CHRIST. and HE is the only ONE that keeps us in proper relation., seeing ourselves as God sees us. IN Christ.

Communion takes on true meaning when we are put in REMEMBRANCE of HIM (not our sin)

 

[Willie-T]

Some translations have it in the singular (Satan has demanded to sift you, said exclusively to Peter) while other translations have it in the plural, with Satan desiring or demanding to sift all as wheat. Which is it? Does Satan not sift all? Serious question

The "plural" would have satan having rule over God, in that he could tell God how things have to go... that each Christian has to be surrendered to his beatings.

 

[popeye]

No, that's not what it means.

Lets hear your version.

 

[popeye]

But the whole area of just HOW GREAT A SALVATION Jesus has secured for us is what I'm talking about. It goes beyond 'our' worthiness and goes right into our worthiness IN CHRIST. If you are IN Christ your sins are forgiven and by grace you have been saved. You are no longer UN worthy. You ARE worthy because you are in Christ. That is the only thing that gets us saved and beginning on the right path of any ability to live and move and have our being. It is ONLY IN CHRIST. and HE is the only ONE that keeps us in proper relation., seeing ourselves as God sees us. IN Christ.

Communion takes on true meaning when we are put in REMEMBRANCE of HIM (not our sin)

The produgal never stopped being the son.

That didn't mean he was enjoying blessing or benefits.

You gotta remember,that was a family member,a son,that HAD TO REPENT,and get back to his father.

 

[LaurenTM]

Your thread is titled deeper look.

Is that a human mind look?

Are verses prohibited.

Show me where I am wrong. Show me your verses.

Should be easy the way you say you have such a spiteful outlook towards me.

oy vey

we cleared that up two days ago

what's wrong is your attitude

I'll make you a button and send it off to you

Proud Member of the BDF Fight Club

I'm toxin and I like to box em

let me point out your stinking attitude

you say above that I have a spiteful outlook towards you

you are the one spitting spite at anyone who comes near you

you are not even discussing the topic...I have noticed that just about any thread you go in, you pick a fight

infantile

 

[popeye]

But the whole area of just HOW GREAT A SALVATION Jesus has secured for us is what I'm talking about. It goes beyond 'our' worthiness and goes right into our worthiness IN CHRIST. If you are IN Christ your sins are forgiven and by grace you have been saved. You are no longer UN worthy. You ARE worthy because you are in Christ. That is the only thing that gets us saved and beginning on the right path of any ability to live and move and have our being. It is ONLY IN CHRIST. and HE is the only ONE that keeps us in proper relation., seeing ourselves as God sees us. IN Christ.

Communion takes on true meaning when we are put in REMEMBRANCE of HIM (not our sin)

I am wondering if we are getting into this "beleivers never repent stuff?"

 

[popeye]

oy vey

we cleared that up two days ago

what's wrong is your attitude

I'll make you a button and send it off to you

Proud Member of the BDF Fight Club

I'm toxin and I like to box em

let me point out your stinking attitude

you say above that I have a spiteful outlook towards you

you are the one spitting spite at anyone who comes near you

you are not even discussing the topic...I have noticed that just about any thread you go in, you pick a fight

infantile

Toxic bunch of mess lady.

POT<> KETTLE

Go cool off hot head

 

[Magenta]

I think that dog does whatever he can to us believers in Christ. Paul says that "we are not ignorant of his schemes". Give no place to the devil. ( Eph. 4:27 ) Be alert, as he prowls around like a roaring lion. He is after all the father of lies and is a "twister" of what is being said by God.

And even before we are believers, surely we were being sifted? For we lived then in the realm of the dark one, having not yet come into the light, as it were. Some people say they were born believing, but Scripture rather says otherwise, for we are all born in Adam and in need of Spiritual rebirth through Jesus Christ our Lord (the second Adam).

The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see
the light of the gospel that displays the glory of Christ, who is the image of God.

 

[Magenta]

The "plural" would have satan having rule over God, in that he could tell God how things have to go... that each Christian has to be surrendered to his beatings.

Yet we know that is not the case, though God did give Satan permission... even so, Satan demanding something does not mean it necessarily follows that God submits to Satan. That is a non sequitur.

 

[LaurenTM]

I think he means that all of the torture Jesus went through was not God "punishing" him.

It was the Romans.... sinful man that killed Jesus.

Jesus did die on a Roman cross

but I think both you and your friend there badly need to sit down with the Bible and have another read

Pilate wanted to release Jesus because he did not find a reason to crucify Him...he asked the crowd of Jewish people gathered (at the instigation of the Jewish religious leaders who went so far as have someone perjure themselves and even broke their own laws in order to vent hatred against God (how dare He interrupt their religious programming) if Jesus or Barrabas should be released...even Hollywood got it straight...and knows what really happened and why

doesn't seem popeye can

 

[ladylynn]

The produgal never stopped being the son.

That didn't mean he was enjoying blessing or benefits.

You gotta remember,that was a family member,a son,that HAD TO REPENT,and get back to his father.

I already posted about the Prodigal son and how his dad was still right where He was when the son left. The son and the stupid sheep go off on their own and bring all kinds of pain on themselves. It was not the prodigal's father or the Good Shepherd that caused the suffering. It was the stupid choices the son made of living in the world and not living and moving and having his being with his father. The father was waiting for him to come to his senses. He was always a son - but became a foolish son for a time. So when he 'repented' (changed his mind and realized he was a total jerk and the father was right all along) the son came back to the father where he was waiting with open arms all along.

 

[Willie-T]

The "plural" would have satan having rule over God, in that he could tell God how things have to go... that each Christian has to be surrendered to his beatings.

Yet we know that is not the case, though God did give Satan permission... even so, Satan demanding something does not mean it necessarily follows that God submits to Satan. That is a non sequitur.

So very true.

 

[LaurenTM]

I still think there was caffeine, and lots of it, involved.

maybe he had a bad morning. sure seems like an awful lot of something gone wrong coming through the posts

 

[Willie-T]

I already posted about the Prodigal son and how his dad was still right where He was when the son left. The son and the stupid sheep go off on their own and bring all kinds of pain on themselves. It was not the prodigal's father or the Good Shepherd that caused the suffering. It was the stupid choices the son made of living in the world and not living and moving and having his being with his father. The father was waiting for him to come to his senses. He was always a son - but became a foolish son for a time. So when he 'repented' (changed his mind and realized he was a total jerk and the father was right all along) the son came back to the father where he was waiting with open arms all along.

An excellent example of how God accepts us when we wake up (repent by changing our thinking) even though we may not yet have reached the point of our esoteric worldly view of "repentance" (groveling, wailing, and throwing ashes on our sackcloth garbed bodies.)

"in that we were yet sinners."

 

[ladylynn]

I am wondering if we are getting into this "beleivers never repent stuff?"

A believer is always repenting (having his mind renewed and changed) But there is no need for sack cloth and ashes. Judas was sorry so much so he threw down the 50 pieces of silver and then stupidly hung himself in his sorrow and sack cloth and ashes and guilt. What good did that do him? Had he waited., Jesus could have taken his sin too. But no., like many people he thought his sorrow and trying to pay for it gave him some merit and showed how sincerely sorry he was.

Yet his life was not payment enough. It had to be a sinless sacrifice of the spotless Lamb of God.

 

[LaurenTM]

Some translations have it in the singular (Satan has demanded to sift you, said exclusively to Peter) while other translations have it in the plural, with Satan desiring or demanding to sift all as wheat. Which is it? Does Satan not sift all? Serious question

as Peter was the one who denied Christ, most scholars conclude it is singular

personally, I think singular

 

[LaurenTM]

Toxic bunch of mess lady.

POT<> KETTLE

Go cool off hot head

hey ~

I'm not joking here

you are a mess and taking it out on everyone else

 

[ladylynn]

An excellent example of how God accepts us when we wake up (repent by changing our thinking) even though we may not yet have reached the point of our esoteric worldly view of "repentance" (groveling, wailing, and ash-throwing on our sackcloth garbed bodies.)

"in that we were yet sinners."[/QUOT

EXACTLY...AS IF OUR ESOTERIC WORLDY VIEW OF REPENTANCE; GROVELING, WAILING, AND ASH THROWING ON OUR SACKCLOTH GARBED BODIES COUNTED FOR ANYTHING.
WASN'T YELLING.,JUST THOUGHT IT WAS NEAT WE HAD THE SAME THOUGHT!

 

[Willie-T]

An excellent example of how God accepts us when we wake up (repent by changing our thinking) even though we may not yet have reached the point of our esoteric worldly view of "repentance" (groveling, wailing, and ash-throwing on our sackcloth garbed bodies.)

"in that we were yet sinners."[/QUOT

EXACTLY...AS IF OUR ESOTERIC WORLDY VIEW OF REPENTANCE; GROVELING, WAILING, AND ASH THROWING ON OUR SACKCLOTH GARBED BODIES COUNTED FOR ANYTHING.
WASN'T YELLING.,JUST THOUGHT IT WAS NEAT WE HAD THE SAME THOUGHT!

I have always found it intriguing that not only had the father been up there on that wall, probably every day, looking and waiting..... and then went running to his son (something Jewish elders never lower themselves to do).... but that the son had not really come to what we like to call "repentance". He just knew he would have a better deal if he could convince his father to hire him to work for him.... and he even began to deliver to his father, a planned and rehearsed speech to that effect.

The father ignored it all, and said "Welcome home!"

 

[emjcares]

Oops lost a bunch due to signal fail, will submit this anyway, but it may be moot, sorry.

Lets hear your version.

Beautiful ladylynn.
She always puts it way better than I ever could, so I re-posted it here.

But the whole area of just HOW GREAT A SALVATION Jesus has secured for us is what I'm talking about. It goes beyond 'our' worthiness and goes right into our worthiness IN CHRIST. If you are IN Christ your sins are forgiven and by grace you have been saved. You are no longer UN worthy. You ARE worthy because you are in Christ. That is the only thing that gets us saved and beginning on the right path of any ability to live and move and have our being. It is ONLY IN CHRIST. and HE is the only ONE that keeps us in proper relation., seeing ourselves as God sees us. IN Christ.

Communion takes on true meaning when we are put in REMEMBRANCE of HIM (not our sin)

Just beautifully grace-filled.

"Simon, Simon, Satan has asked to sift all of you as wheat."

Ah, yes, Magenta, but singular or plural aside, please don't stop there. Jesus said, 'But I have prayed for you, that your faith would not fail.'

Think of that! The King of glory praying for Peter, and us.
How can we fail with such a loving, powerful Savior that has us in His praying hands.

I'm about in tears, (fighting back because of where I'm at right now) but my goodness, here was Jesus about to be crucified for us, and He asked His friends to pray for Him, and in a sense, if we were there, He would have asked us to pray for Him. And they, WE, fell asleep, and often still do.

Yet HE prays for us!!!

He is just so amazing and good.
Oh, that He would break my heart to be even a tiny bit like Him,
to be so selfless and giving in love.
Even though the tears come,
I'm such a hard-hearted failure and a sinner, I shouldn't be here.
God bless you.