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Sorry, I admit I came in late, have bounced in and out, and don't really know what the debate is at this point, seems like more than one. Lol
And I missed a serious whuppin?
And I missed a serious whuppin?
IMO opinion and from the life of Christ revealing the exact nature of our loving Father - we can see how we are disciplined by the way Jesus disciplined the disciples. It was never by putting disasters on them to "teach" them things.
L
It is amazing when I got a revelation of the grace of God., those fearful condemning verses were interpreted in their proper meanings after finding out the truth of the grace of God in Christ. I knew nothing about the new covenant I was in because was living my Christian life on the fence of law on one side and grace on the other. That is how we were raised to read the Bible.
Communion is not about "us" and our sin but about Jesus and what He did to redeem us from our sin. He has freed us and made us whole. No scissors needed Popeye.
Bible commentary;
There have been many interpretations of just what qualifies as “unworthily.” A severe interpretation would suggest that any deed or thought in a person’s life that has not been confessed and repented of would make that individual unworthy. Since the Scripture says “whatsoever is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), very few people would ever qualify as worthy to partake of communion.
Plus, this would make our relationship with the Lord in communion dependent on our performance, and this is contrary to the very act of atonement that the Lord’s Supper reminds us of.
It is most likely that what makes people worthy or unworthy is whether or not they have been born again (see note 2 at John 3:3). This would also be totally consistent with the doctrine of grace that Paul constantly preached (see note 2 at Romans 3:22 and note 11 at Romans 4:8). There were unbelievers among the true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (see note 1 at Matthew 13:37), and this still exists today. It is a dangerous offense for an unbeliever to take the Lord’s Supper (see note 2 at Luke 22:19).
People who profess salvation through partaking of communion yet do not possess it, because true faith is not present, become guilty of the body and blood of the Lord (this verse). Those people will not be able to claim ignorance when they stand before God. The Lord’s Supper clearly preaches the Gospel.
Therefore, when taking communion, the people should examine themselves (see note 9 at 1 Corinthians 11:28) to see whether or not they are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). It is an individual evaluation that ministers are not authorized to make for others, but ministers should make Paul’s warnings here in 1 Corinthians 11 known to others when administering communion.
Note 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27:
This warning about being “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” has caused fear in the hearts of many believers. They fear that if they aren’t just right when they partake of communion, they may be damned (1 Corinthians 11:29). This is inconsistent with all of Paul’s other teachings about relationship with the Lord through grace (see notes 1 and 2 at Romans 5:1, note 15 at Romans 5:8, and note 16 at Romans 5:9)
WE CHRISTIANS DO NOT PARTAKE OF THE LORD'S SUPPER UNWORTHILY, EVEN IF WE HAVE SIN IN OUR LIVES. If we truly worship the Lord through communion, we have to do that in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and our born-again spirits are perfect (see note 3 at Matthew 26:41 and note 11 at Romans 4:8), regardless of how our flesh is (see note 3 at Romans 7:18). The apparent problems with this verse are removed when “unworthily” is interpreted as referring to those who are not born again (see note 2 at John 3:3).
Paul was saying that those who are not saved yet partake of communion are professing a lie (see note 5 at 1 Corinthians 11:26). As Jesus said, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:41). Judgment is easier on those who are ignorant (see note 5 at Luke 12:48), but those who take communion cannot claim ignorance. If they partake of the Lord’s Supper “unworthily” (i.e., not born again), those people become without excuse. They are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
The believer is worthy because Jesus has made Him worthy. Therefore I have to understand this word unworthy in the proper context. I am not worthy without Jesus., But I have Jesus so I am 100% worthy IN CHRIST.
This verse is very problematic for those who think Paul was speaking of Christians who have some sort of unworthiness as they take communion and are therefore being judged by the Lord with sickness and death. However, if you interpret the unworthiness mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11:27 and 29 as referring to non-Christians taking communion (see notes 7 and 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27 and note 10 at 1 Corinthians 11:29), then this is very simple.
Those who judge themselves sinner and put faith in Jesus experience salvation, and they will not be judged. That judgment was placed on Jesus. 1 Corinthians 11:32 says that when we (Christians) are judged, we are chastened but never condemned (or damned, 1 Corinthians 11:29), as non-Christians will be (see note 13 at 1 Corinthians 11:32).
The “we” of this verse and the “we” of 1 Corinthians 11:31 are two different groups of people. In 1 Corinthians 11:31, Paul was speaking of any people (Christians or non-Christians) who will admit their sinfulness and accept salvation through faith in Christ. They will not be judged (see note 12 at 1 Corinthians 11:31).
Here, in 1 Corinthians 11:32, Paul was speaking of Christians. When Christians are judged, it is not the kind of judgment that unbelievers receive to damnation. Instead, Christians are chastened. Chastening differs from punishment in that it is always done for the purpose of correction and not vengeance.
Popeye, this is just an introduction to seeing those verses you posted in a context IN KEEPING with Paul's message of grace and not works. It's a matter of coming over to the side of God's grace in Christ. All things are very different over here.
Amen...that word "asked" in the Greek means to "demand" and it is only used once in the NT.
It looks like Peter had put himself in a position to be attacked by satan. I believe it's from Peter's boast " These others may leave you - but I will never leave you"
Matthew 26:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But Peter said to Him, "Even though all may fall away because of You, I will never fall away."
Luke 22:31-32 (NASB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;
[SUP]32 [/SUP] but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers."
I love how the Lord said that He had prayed for Peter - not that he would not fail - because he did. But that his faith would not fail. I think there's some good stuff in this....
...we can fail sometimes but the faith in us will never fail.
P
It is amazing when I got a revelation of the grace of God., those fearful condemning verses were interpreted in their proper meanings after finding out the truth of the grace of God in Christ. I knew nothing about the new covenant I was in because was living my Christian life on the fence of law on one side and grace on the other. That is how we were raised to read the Bible.
Communion is not about "us" and our sin but about Jesus and what He did to redeem us from our sin. He has freed us and made us whole. No scissors needed Popeye.
Bible commentary;
There have been many interpretations of just what qualifies as “unworthily.” A severe interpretation would suggest that any deed or thought in a person’s life that has not been confessed and repented of would make that individual unworthy. Since the Scripture says “whatsoever is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), very few people would ever qualify as worthy to partake of communion.
Plus, this would make our relationship with the Lord in communion dependent on our performance, and this is contrary to the very act of atonement that the Lord’s Supper reminds us of.
It is most likely that what makes people worthy or unworthy is whether or not they have been born again (see note 2 at John 3:3). This would also be totally consistent with the doctrine of grace that Paul constantly preached (see note 2 at Romans 3:22 and note 11 at Romans 4:8). There were unbelievers among the true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (see note 1 at Matthew 13:37), and this still exists today. It is a dangerous offense for an unbeliever to take the Lord’s Supper (see note 2 at Luke 22:19).
People who profess salvation through partaking of communion yet do not possess it, because true faith is not present, become guilty of the body and blood of the Lord (this verse). Those people will not be able to claim ignorance when they stand before God. The Lord’s Supper clearly preaches the Gospel.
Therefore, when taking communion, the people should examine themselves (see note 9 at 1 Corinthians 11:28) to see whether or not they are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). It is an individual evaluation that ministers are not authorized to make for others, but ministers should make Paul’s warnings here in 1 Corinthians 11 known to others when administering communion.
Note 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27:
This warning about being “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” has caused fear in the hearts of many believers. They fear that if they aren’t just right when they partake of communion, they may be damned (1 Corinthians 11:29). This is inconsistent with all of Paul’s other teachings about relationship with the Lord through grace (see notes 1 and 2 at Romans 5:1, note 15 at Romans 5:8, and note 16 at Romans 5:9)
WE CHRISTIANS DO NOT PARTAKE OF THE LORD'S SUPPER UNWORTHILY, EVEN IF WE HAVE SIN IN OUR LIVES. If we truly worship the Lord through communion, we have to do that in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and our born-again spirits are perfect (see note 3 at Matthew 26:41 and note 11 at Romans 4:8), regardless of how our flesh is (see note 3 at Romans 7:18). The apparent problems with this verse are removed when “unworthily” is interpreted as referring to those who are not born again (see note 2 at John 3:3).
Paul was saying that those who are not saved yet partake of communion are professing a lie (see note 5 at 1 Corinthians 11:26). As Jesus said, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:41). Judgment is easier on those who are ignorant (see note 5 at Luke 12:48), but those who take communion cannot claim ignorance. If they partake of the Lord’s Supper “unworthily” (i.e., not born again), those people become without excuse. They are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
The believer is worthy because Jesus has made Him worthy. Therefore I have to understand this word unworthy in the proper context. I am not worthy without Jesus., But I have Jesus so I am 100% worthy IN CHRIST.
This verse is very problematic for those who think Paul was speaking of Christians who have some sort of unworthiness as they take communion and are therefore being judged by the Lord with sickness and death. However, if you interpret the unworthiness mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11:27 and 29 as referring to non-Christians taking communion (see notes 7 and 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27 and note 10 at 1 Corinthians 11:29), then this is very simple.
Those who judge themselves sinner and put faith in Jesus experience salvation, and they will not be judged. That judgment was placed on Jesus. 1 Corinthians 11:32 says that when we (Christians) are judged, we are chastened but never condemned (or damned, 1 Corinthians 11:29), as non-Christians will be (see note 13 at 1 Corinthians 11:32).
The “we” of this verse and the “we” of 1 Corinthians 11:31 are two different groups of people. In 1 Corinthians 11:31, Paul was speaking of any people (Christians or non-Christians) who will admit their sinfulness and accept salvation through faith in Christ. They will not be judged (see note 12 at 1 Corinthians 11:31).
Here, in 1 Corinthians 11:32, Paul was speaking of Christians. When Christians are judged, it is not the kind of judgment that unbelievers receive to damnation. Instead, Christians are chastened. Chastening differs from punishment in that it is always done for the purpose of correction and not vengeance.
Popeye, this is just an introduction to seeing those verses you posted in a context IN KEEPING with Paul's message of grace and not works. It's a matter of coming over to the side of God's grace in Christ. All things are very different over here.
Communion is not about "us" and our sin but about Jesus and what He did to redeem us from our sin. He has freed us and made us whole. No scissors needed Popeye.
Bible commentary;
There have been many interpretations of just what qualifies as “unworthily.” A severe interpretation would suggest that any deed or thought in a person’s life that has not been confessed and repented of would make that individual unworthy. Since the Scripture says “whatsoever is not of faith is sin” (Romans 14:23), very few people would ever qualify as worthy to partake of communion.
Plus, this would make our relationship with the Lord in communion dependent on our performance, and this is contrary to the very act of atonement that the Lord’s Supper reminds us of.
It is most likely that what makes people worthy or unworthy is whether or not they have been born again (see note 2 at John 3:3). This would also be totally consistent with the doctrine of grace that Paul constantly preached (see note 2 at Romans 3:22 and note 11 at Romans 4:8). There were unbelievers among the true Christians, just as Jesus prophesied (see note 1 at Matthew 13:37), and this still exists today. It is a dangerous offense for an unbeliever to take the Lord’s Supper (see note 2 at Luke 22:19).
People who profess salvation through partaking of communion yet do not possess it, because true faith is not present, become guilty of the body and blood of the Lord (this verse). Those people will not be able to claim ignorance when they stand before God. The Lord’s Supper clearly preaches the Gospel.
Therefore, when taking communion, the people should examine themselves (see note 9 at 1 Corinthians 11:28) to see whether or not they are in the faith (2 Corinthians 13:5). It is an individual evaluation that ministers are not authorized to make for others, but ministers should make Paul’s warnings here in 1 Corinthians 11 known to others when administering communion.
Note 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27:
This warning about being “guilty of the body and blood of the Lord” has caused fear in the hearts of many believers. They fear that if they aren’t just right when they partake of communion, they may be damned (1 Corinthians 11:29). This is inconsistent with all of Paul’s other teachings about relationship with the Lord through grace (see notes 1 and 2 at Romans 5:1, note 15 at Romans 5:8, and note 16 at Romans 5:9)
WE CHRISTIANS DO NOT PARTAKE OF THE LORD'S SUPPER UNWORTHILY, EVEN IF WE HAVE SIN IN OUR LIVES. If we truly worship the Lord through communion, we have to do that in spirit and in truth (John 4:24), and our born-again spirits are perfect (see note 3 at Matthew 26:41 and note 11 at Romans 4:8), regardless of how our flesh is (see note 3 at Romans 7:18). The apparent problems with this verse are removed when “unworthily” is interpreted as referring to those who are not born again (see note 2 at John 3:3).
Paul was saying that those who are not saved yet partake of communion are professing a lie (see note 5 at 1 Corinthians 11:26). As Jesus said, “If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth” (John 9:41). Judgment is easier on those who are ignorant (see note 5 at Luke 12:48), but those who take communion cannot claim ignorance. If they partake of the Lord’s Supper “unworthily” (i.e., not born again), those people become without excuse. They are guilty of the body and blood of the Lord.
The believer is worthy because Jesus has made Him worthy. Therefore I have to understand this word unworthy in the proper context. I am not worthy without Jesus., But I have Jesus so I am 100% worthy IN CHRIST.
This verse is very problematic for those who think Paul was speaking of Christians who have some sort of unworthiness as they take communion and are therefore being judged by the Lord with sickness and death. However, if you interpret the unworthiness mentioned in 1 Corinthians 11:27 and 29 as referring to non-Christians taking communion (see notes 7 and 8 at 1 Corinthians 11:27 and note 10 at 1 Corinthians 11:29), then this is very simple.
Those who judge themselves sinner and put faith in Jesus experience salvation, and they will not be judged. That judgment was placed on Jesus. 1 Corinthians 11:32 says that when we (Christians) are judged, we are chastened but never condemned (or damned, 1 Corinthians 11:29), as non-Christians will be (see note 13 at 1 Corinthians 11:32).
The “we” of this verse and the “we” of 1 Corinthians 11:31 are two different groups of people. In 1 Corinthians 11:31, Paul was speaking of any people (Christians or non-Christians) who will admit their sinfulness and accept salvation through faith in Christ. They will not be judged (see note 12 at 1 Corinthians 11:31).
Here, in 1 Corinthians 11:32, Paul was speaking of Christians. When Christians are judged, it is not the kind of judgment that unbelievers receive to damnation. Instead, Christians are chastened. Chastening differs from punishment in that it is always done for the purpose of correction and not vengeance.
Popeye, this is just an introduction to seeing those verses you posted in a context IN KEEPING with Paul's message of grace and not works. It's a matter of coming over to the side of God's grace in Christ. All things are very different over here.
"in him we move,and live,and have our being"
There is enough in that sentance to make a hundred sermons.
Some are taking communion with unforgiveness,adultery,anger,and a thousand other issues in them.
That is what unworthy means.
That is why they are heaping sickness and death on them.
Anyone that gets sick,needs to carefully examine themselves.
Partially copied from a Living Waters church website:
Isaiah 53:8 When Jesus Christ was crucified the stroke (of judgment) of God’s righteous anger against sin fell on His Son instead of on all the world. We deserved the punishment (of hell) but Jesus took it instead of us!
Romans 4:8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT" What an astounding statement. It makes clear the man has sin, but God does not take the sin into account! Paul uses this truth to anchor justification by faith through grace regardless of the quality of a person's life. It's salvation based on grace, not determined by the amount of sin in his life.
2 Corinthians 5:19 God is "not counting their trespasses against them." This is the offense of the gospel. It doesn't seem fair. It scandalizes our sense of justice. We tend to think a man should have to take responsibility for his sin. Do we dare let this Scripture stand?
John 12:31 Just before going to the cross Jesus announced, "Now judgment is upon this world." At the cross the balance of authority and power changed in the entire universe.
Satan was defeated, Christ was exalted, sin’s penalty was dealt an eternal blow, and God’s righteousness was forever established.
A new, never-before-heard-of covenant was initiated.
In this all-new modus operandi the believer was declared “righteous”, and the basis for salvation and the kingdom of God was settled forever.
Truth in Scripture must be balanced.
Yes, absolutely, these Scriptures are balanced by other Bible judgments.
Judgment is not one monolithic event on the last Day.
Someone who accepts the truth of God's judgment for sin at the cross of Calvary, but doesn't acknowledge the fire at the Judgment Seat of Christ gets a wrong impression.
He may think, as some accuse,
(Most know who they are, so we won't name names, ok?)
that the believer can go out and live any way he wants.
That's wrong.
God in His love has initiated various judgments for various purposes.
Scripture is loaded with judgments of discipline, correction, and reproof for sin. Some are severe, even to physical death.
Study the Judgment Seat of Christ in II Corinthians 5:10 and I Corinthians 3:8-15 and The Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. Each of these awesome courts relates to the Calvary judgment of sin and helps us understand the why the gospel of Jesus Christ is so great.
Isaiah 53:8 When Jesus Christ was crucified the stroke (of judgment) of God’s righteous anger against sin fell on His Son instead of on all the world. We deserved the punishment (of hell) but Jesus took it instead of us!
Romans 4:8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT" What an astounding statement. It makes clear the man has sin, but God does not take the sin into account! Paul uses this truth to anchor justification by faith through grace regardless of the quality of a person's life. It's salvation based on grace, not determined by the amount of sin in his life.
2 Corinthians 5:19 God is "not counting their trespasses against them." This is the offense of the gospel. It doesn't seem fair. It scandalizes our sense of justice. We tend to think a man should have to take responsibility for his sin. Do we dare let this Scripture stand?
John 12:31 Just before going to the cross Jesus announced, "Now judgment is upon this world." At the cross the balance of authority and power changed in the entire universe.
Satan was defeated, Christ was exalted, sin’s penalty was dealt an eternal blow, and God’s righteousness was forever established.
A new, never-before-heard-of covenant was initiated.
In this all-new modus operandi the believer was declared “righteous”, and the basis for salvation and the kingdom of God was settled forever.
Truth in Scripture must be balanced.
Yes, absolutely, these Scriptures are balanced by other Bible judgments.
Judgment is not one monolithic event on the last Day.
Someone who accepts the truth of God's judgment for sin at the cross of Calvary, but doesn't acknowledge the fire at the Judgment Seat of Christ gets a wrong impression.
He may think, as some accuse,
(Most know who they are, so we won't name names, ok?)
that the believer can go out and live any way he wants.
That's wrong.
God in His love has initiated various judgments for various purposes.
Scripture is loaded with judgments of discipline, correction, and reproof for sin. Some are severe, even to physical death.
Study the Judgment Seat of Christ in II Corinthians 5:10 and I Corinthians 3:8-15 and The Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. Each of these awesome courts relates to the Calvary judgment of sin and helps us understand the why the gospel of Jesus Christ is so great.
P
Partially copied from a Living Waters church website:
Isaiah 53:8 When Jesus Christ was crucified the stroke (of judgment) of God’s righteous anger against sin fell on His Son instead of on all the world. We deserved the punishment (of hell) but Jesus took it instead of us!
Romans 4:8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT" What an astounding statement. It makes clear the man has sin, but God does not take the sin into account! Paul uses this truth to anchor justification by faith through grace regardless of the quality of a person's life. It's salvation based on grace, not determined by the amount of sin in his life.
2 Corinthians 5:19 God is "not counting their trespasses against them." This is the offense of the gospel. It doesn't seem fair. It scandalizes our sense of justice. We tend to think a man should have to take responsibility for his sin. Do we dare let this Scripture stand?
John 12:31 Just before going to the cross Jesus announced, "Now judgment is upon this world." At the cross the balance of authority and power changed in the entire universe.
Satan was defeated, Christ was exalted, sin’s penalty was dealt an eternal blow, and God’s righteousness was forever established.
A new, never-before-heard-of covenant was initiated.
In this all-new modus operandi the believer was declared “righteous”, and the basis for salvation and the kingdom of God was settled forever.
Truth in Scripture must be balanced.
Yes, absolutely, these Scriptures are balanced by other Bible judgments.
Judgment is not one monolithic event on the last Day.
Someone who accepts the truth of God's judgment for sin at the cross of Calvary, but doesn't acknowledge the fire at the Judgment Seat of Christ gets a wrong impression.
He may think, as some accuse,
(Most know who they are, so we won't name names, ok?)
that the believer can go out and live any way he wants.
That's wrong.
God in His love has initiated various judgments for various purposes.
Scripture is loaded with judgments of discipline, correction, and reproof for sin. Some are severe, even to physical death.
Study the Judgment Seat of Christ in II Corinthians 5:10 and I Corinthians 3:8-15 and The Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. Each of these awesome courts relates to the Calvary judgment of sin and helps us understand the why the gospel of Jesus Christ is so great.
Isaiah 53:8 When Jesus Christ was crucified the stroke (of judgment) of God’s righteous anger against sin fell on His Son instead of on all the world. We deserved the punishment (of hell) but Jesus took it instead of us!
Romans 4:8 "BLESSED IS THE MAN WHOSE SIN THE LORD WILL NOT TAKE INTO ACCOUNT" What an astounding statement. It makes clear the man has sin, but God does not take the sin into account! Paul uses this truth to anchor justification by faith through grace regardless of the quality of a person's life. It's salvation based on grace, not determined by the amount of sin in his life.
2 Corinthians 5:19 God is "not counting their trespasses against them." This is the offense of the gospel. It doesn't seem fair. It scandalizes our sense of justice. We tend to think a man should have to take responsibility for his sin. Do we dare let this Scripture stand?
John 12:31 Just before going to the cross Jesus announced, "Now judgment is upon this world." At the cross the balance of authority and power changed in the entire universe.
Satan was defeated, Christ was exalted, sin’s penalty was dealt an eternal blow, and God’s righteousness was forever established.
A new, never-before-heard-of covenant was initiated.
In this all-new modus operandi the believer was declared “righteous”, and the basis for salvation and the kingdom of God was settled forever.
Truth in Scripture must be balanced.
Yes, absolutely, these Scriptures are balanced by other Bible judgments.
Judgment is not one monolithic event on the last Day.
Someone who accepts the truth of God's judgment for sin at the cross of Calvary, but doesn't acknowledge the fire at the Judgment Seat of Christ gets a wrong impression.
He may think, as some accuse,
(Most know who they are, so we won't name names, ok?)
that the believer can go out and live any way he wants.
That's wrong.
God in His love has initiated various judgments for various purposes.
Scripture is loaded with judgments of discipline, correction, and reproof for sin. Some are severe, even to physical death.
Study the Judgment Seat of Christ in II Corinthians 5:10 and I Corinthians 3:8-15 and The Great White Throne Judgment in Revelation 20:11-15. Each of these awesome courts relates to the Calvary judgment of sin and helps us understand the why the gospel of Jesus Christ is so great.
HUH?
I thought I was wet under the collar
Amen...that word "asked" in the Greek means to "demand" and it is only used once in the NT.
It looks like Peter had put himself in a position to be attacked by satan. I believe it's from Peter's boast " These others may leave you - but I will never leave you"
Matthew 26:33 (NASB)
[SUP]33 [/SUP] But Peter said to Him, "Even though all may fall away because of You, I will never fall away."
Luke 22:31-32 (NASB)
[SUP]31 [/SUP] "Simon, Simon, behold, Satan has demanded permission to sift you like wheat;
[SUP]32 [/SUP] but I have prayed for you, that your faith may not fail; and you, when once you have turned again, strengthen your brothers."
I love how the Lord said that He had prayed for Peter - not that he would not fail - because he did. But that his faith would not fail. I think there's some good stuff in this....
...we can fail sometimes but the faith in us will never fail.
Some translations have it in the singular (Satan has demanded to sift you, said exclusively to Peter) while other translations have it in the plural, with Satan desiring or demanding to sift all as wheat. Which is it? Does Satan not sift all? Serious question