23 year old Baltimore lady commit suicide by cop

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Dude653

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There is a long list of things that you fail to see. Foremost is that almost every thread that you start will focus on a black person who is a victim or you try to paint them as a victim, usually of police. You didn't mention the woman's race, but you posted the story solely because of the woman's race and were prepared to defend her because of her race. If she had been white, you'd have moved on and searched the internet for a black shooting victim to defend against police oppression. It's your M.O. and everyone here knows it.

Unless you are a doctor, we don't need to hear you diagnosing people as mentally ill. By your standard, you qualify as mentally ill. That leads to another thing you fail to see. Anyone reading your post knew that all they had to do is read a few sentences into the post and they were going to find the following; "could have been prevented". There is never a doubt with your threads that you will conclude that whatever happened to the person of color, it could have been prevented. To be even more precise, you will always conclude that what needed to happen in order for the incident to have been prevented was that the police would need to do something different. You will never suggest that the idiot who is shot could have prevented the whole thing by not threatening to kill the police and pointing and shooting a weapon at them. You will always judge a black victim as an innocent victim, who maybe was mentally ill, yet it was the responsibility of the police to handle the situation in a way that they arrest her and there is no need to shoot her.

As always, the officers you criticize did not make a bad judgment call. They will not be charged with excessive force. And you will not return to this thread, or any previous thread and tell everyone that you were wrong and a follow-up investigation cleared all officers of wrong doing. It has never happened no matter how many times you falsely accuse the police, and it probably never will. This makes you the troll, not the people who point out how much you hate the police.
I've already said on this post numerous times that I do not believe the officers involved are racist. During the traffic stop they remain professional and courteous despite the fact that she was antagonizing them. She was driving a car with no tags and refusing to show ID so she was pretty much asking to go to jail. They ended up letting her go with a citation, and ended up having to kill her later that day. They should have arrested her when they had the chance
 

jsr1221

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I've already said on this post numerous times that I do not believe the officers involved are racist. During the traffic stop they remain professional and courteous despite the fact that she was antagonizing them. She was driving a car with no tags and refusing to show ID so she was pretty much asking to go to jail. They ended up letting her go with a citation, and ended up having to kill her later that day. They should have arrested her when they had the chance
Again, easier said than done when you are not in that type of situation. Apply for a job as a police officer if you feel you know what the right thing to do is.
 
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I've already said on this post numerous times that I do not believe the officers involved are racist. During the traffic stop they remain professional and courteous despite the fact that she was antagonizing them. She was driving a car with no tags and refusing to show ID so she was pretty much asking to go to jail. They ended up letting her go with a citation, and ended up having to kill her later that day. They should have arrested her when they had the chance
Well, I can't argue with that statement.
 

hornetguy

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But these observations are all in hindsight. At an arrest, the hue and cry would have been all against the officers because she was stopped for nothing more than a simple traffic violation. We see that happening all the time here. Everyone knows better how any given situation should have been handled than the trained officers who were actually on the scene.
Especially if she was black.... I don't know, and it doesn't matter to me, but if they had arrested her, it would have been "another example of the police unjustly profiling and targeting a poor black mother.... if she had been white, they would have let her go with a warning!"

Suicide by cop is a VERY common occurrence, and unfortunately is almost impossible to predict, or to stop once it's in motion.
 

Dude653

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And no I am not a medical professional or a psychiatrist but I had a girlfriend who was bipolar and I have seen similar Behavior.
 

hornetguy

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I've already said on this post numerous times that I do not believe the officers involved are racist. During the traffic stop they remain professional and courteous despite the fact that she was antagonizing them. She was driving a car with no tags and refusing to show ID so she was pretty much asking to go to jail. They ended up letting her go with a citation, and ended up having to kill her later that day. They should have arrested her when they had the chance
Yes, looking back with the perfect 20/20 hindsight, that would have been better.... but read my previous response for an understanding of possibly why they didn't do that.
 
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Yes, looking back with the perfect 20/20 hindsight, that would have been better.... but read my previous response for an understanding of possibly why they didn't do that.
Interesting. In effect, all the negative attacks on the police may have actually contributed to the "mistake???" of them letting this woman off with a warning instead of arresting her right up front.
 
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Interesting. In effect, all the negative attacks on the police may have actually contributed to the "mistake???" of them letting this woman off with a warning instead of arresting her right up front.
This is a very real possibility actually. Good question, Willie.
 

Desdichado

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All I know is that if somebody points a shotgun at me, they will get two in the chest and one in the head if I can't get out of range fast regardless of race or creed.

I do not blame the cops.
 

Utah

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A 23 year old Baltimore lady was shot by police when they came to her home to serve a warrant. She was pointing a shotgun at the police and using her child as a shield. I know sometimes deadly force is necessary but this whole situation could have been prevented.
They had pulled her over earlier that same day for a traffic violation. You could tell by watching the video that this young lady was mentally unstable. She was irrational and delusional. The officer was trying his best to diffuse the situation, probably due to the fact that she had her child in the car and he did not want to scare the child. Since she was refusing to present ID, they should have arrested her and then recommended to the judge that she be placed some type of psychiatric care. So the shootout could have been prevented if they had arrested her in the original altercation.
Baltimore County Woman Korryn Gaines Killed In Latest Police Shooting
Who's the cop? I want to buy him dinner and thank him for making the streets safer for law abiding citizens.
 

Desdichado

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Who's the cop? I want to buy him dinner and thank him for making the streets safer for law abiding citizens.
Is Baltimore ever truly safe?
 

Dude653

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Who's the cop? I want to buy him dinner and thank him for making the streets safer for law abiding citizens.
Either you're just trolling or you're missing the point. It was immediately apparent during the initial traffic stop that they were dealing with someone who was mentally unstable. Being that she was refusing to show ID, they would have had just cause to arrest her. Also she was behaving in a menacing and threatening manner. If the officer had arrested her during the initial confrontation, then second altercation that day could have been avoided. I don't understand why no one sees this
 

JimJimmers

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Either you're just trolling or you're missing the point. It was immediately apparent during the initial traffic stop that they were dealing with someone who was mentally unstable. Being that she was refusing to show ID, they would have had just cause to arrest her. Also she was behaving in a menacing and threatening manner. If the officer had arrested her during the initial confrontation, then second altercation that day could have been avoided. I don't understand why no one sees this

Well Dude, what if Sandra Bland had been let go and then later had to be shot?

She was pulled over for failing to signal, refused to obey a police officer's order, and was then arrested. I recall you being very displeased about this. But she showed strong evidence of mental illness, was non-compliant and combative, and was arrested. I think police officers need to use better judgement in a lot of cases, but you seem to have them in a lose-lose type of situation.
 
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Either you're just trolling or you're missing the point. It was immediately apparent during the initial traffic stop that they were dealing with someone who was mentally unstable. Being that she was refusing to show ID, they would have had just cause to arrest her. Also she was behaving in a menacing and threatening manner. If the officer had arrested her during the initial confrontation, then second altercation that day could have been avoided. I don't understand why no one sees this
If officers arrested every person who acted like they were mentally unhinged, there would be almost no people left on the streets after three or four weeks. The way I see people acting on most of these videos floating around... people you often say are just expressing their "rights"... I, myself, just might go ahead and shoot them for being idiots.
 

Dude653

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If officers arrested every person who acted like they were mentally unhinged, there would be almost no people left on the streets after three or four weeks. The way I see people acting on most of these videos floating around... people you often say are just expressing their "rights"... I, myself, just might go ahead and shoot them for being idiots.
Failure to produce ID is illegal. And I'm pretty sure not all cops are Dirty Harry. Many of them probably regret having to shoot someone. Post-traumatic stress is not just for soldiers
 
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We all can say they should have did this or did that. It is so easy to sit back and criticize people after the fact. There are so many things that are at play when an officer pulls someone over. I know where I live many times we don't have room in the jail for some people, so the officer gives them a warning or something like that. In smaller cities a DUS would be cause to arrest someone but in larger ones they give them a court date. We need to stop doing this blame game and get on with our lives.

The only fact we know is this person didn't comply with the officers orders and the tragic end result was the loss of life.
 

Utah

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Either you're just trolling or you're missing the point. It was immediately apparent during the initial traffic stop that they were dealing with someone who was mentally unstable. Being that she was refusing to show ID, they would have had just cause to arrest her. Also she was behaving in a menacing and threatening manner. If the officer had arrested her during the initial confrontation, then second altercation that day could have been avoided. I don't understand why no one sees this
And if this unstable woman went home and offed herself you'd still be blaming the po po for her death.
 
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In 99% of the cases, it does seem to come down to simply complying. But arrogance and pride just won't let some people do that.
 

Cherries

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that is horrible :O i just dont understand why this stuff happens... smh :(