So what about the fourth commandment?
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humbledbygrace25 wrote:
"Thank you for your prayer friend."
and
"My brother no, this is not so. The Sabbath recharges me to face another week with Christ and a deeper stronger relationship with Him because the world was cut out for a day. Satan's distractions were cut way back. So now I am more ready to continue to rest in Christ. After all He gave us the Sabbath to physically rest from secular employment. Now only 6 days till the next one."
humbledbygrace25 wrote:
"Thank you for your prayer friend."
and
"My brother no, this is not so. The Sabbath recharges me to face another week with Christ and a deeper stronger relationship with Him because the world was cut out for a day. Satan's distractions were cut way back. So now I am more ready to continue to rest in Christ. After all He gave us the Sabbath to physically rest from secular employment. Now only 6 days till the next one."
MATT.7 [22] Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?[23] And then will I profess unto them, I NEVER KNEW YOU: DEPART FROM ME, YE THAT WORK INIQUITY.
So who are these people God does not know? Its they who practice {iniquity} lawlessness. Those who made Gods law void.
JEREMIAH 16 [19] O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, THE GENTILES SHALL COME UNTO THEE FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH, AND SHALL SAY, SURELY OUR FATHERS HAVE INHERITED LIES, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
Jer.16 is a “Day of the Lord” scripture as is Matt.7, when we stand before Christ. The “many” Gentiles have inherited lies. No profit! Why no profit?
ISAIAH 48 [17] Thus saith THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I AM THE LORD THY GOD WHICH TEACHETH THEE TO PROFIT, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
Whose your Redeemer? Profit! The 10 commandments. Most gentiles ignore Gods 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment.
1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Theres the people that know God
So who are these people God does not know? Its they who practice {iniquity} lawlessness. Those who made Gods law void.
JEREMIAH 16 [19] O Lord, my strength, and my fortress, and my refuge in the day of affliction, THE GENTILES SHALL COME UNTO THEE FROM THE ENDS OF THE EARTH, AND SHALL SAY, SURELY OUR FATHERS HAVE INHERITED LIES, vanity, and things wherein there is no profit.
Jer.16 is a “Day of the Lord” scripture as is Matt.7, when we stand before Christ. The “many” Gentiles have inherited lies. No profit! Why no profit?
ISAIAH 48 [17] Thus saith THE LORD, THY REDEEMER, the Holy One of Israel; I AM THE LORD THY GOD WHICH TEACHETH THEE TO PROFIT, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.[18] O THAT THOU HADST HEARKENED TO MY COMMANDMENTS! then had thy peace been as a river, and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:
Whose your Redeemer? Profit! The 10 commandments. Most gentiles ignore Gods 4[SUP]th[/SUP] commandment.
1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
Theres the people that know God
Again, the "commandments" mentioned in the above scripture is not referring to keeping the law of Moses. The commandments are to believe in the One whom God sent--Jesus Christ-- and to love one another. Believers are not under the ordinances and written code that Israel was under. Believers have been crucified with Christ and the law is no longer our guardian. We died to that husband. Paul called the works of the law "weak and miserable principles." And Peter said regarding the law, "now why do you attempt to put a yoke upon the Gentiles that neither we nor our ancestors were able to bear." What do you people do when you when you come to the all of the scriptures that come right out and proclaim that those in Christ are not under the law? If you continue to trust in your own efforts, you will be one of those saying "Lord, Lord, did I not do this, that and the other things."
No thanks! I do not set aside the grace of God. For if the keeping of the law could save us, then Christ died for nothing! I say what Paul said, "May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ." By promoting the keeping of law you demonstrate that you are not truly trusting in Christ, but are trusting in those things that you are promoting, which is salvation by your own works.
Our only claim into the kingdom of God, should be Christ crucified, buried and resurrected. It should not be, Lord I kept the Sabbath on Saturday, I kept the ten commandments and I abstained from eating certain foods. Our trust should be in Christ alone who met the righteous requirements of the law and as the One who provided salvation for us by the shedding of His blood.
No thanks! I do not set aside the grace of God. For if the keeping of the law could save us, then Christ died for nothing! I say what Paul said, "May I never boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ." By promoting the keeping of law you demonstrate that you are not truly trusting in Christ, but are trusting in those things that you are promoting, which is salvation by your own works.
Our only claim into the kingdom of God, should be Christ crucified, buried and resurrected. It should not be, Lord I kept the Sabbath on Saturday, I kept the ten commandments and I abstained from eating certain foods. Our trust should be in Christ alone who met the righteous requirements of the law and as the One who provided salvation for us by the shedding of His blood.
Galatians 2:16-19
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Uh-oh, you're not justified by your works of the law.
But you think you are. Just like the other people who cried out Lord, Lord haven't we done these things?
Hebrews 7:15-16
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Something has changed. Can you see what it is?
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.
Uh-oh, you're not justified by your works of the law.
But you think you are. Just like the other people who cried out Lord, Lord haven't we done these things?
Hebrews 7:15-16
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.
Something has changed. Can you see what it is?
See how ya take the weak and "beggarly principles" and try and apply that scripture to the 10 commandments.
GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths or feast days or anything concerning the 10 commandments. Its speaking of those who observe times.
DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?
2 CHR.33 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger
Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.
LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths. Believe the written Word. It will come to pass.
GAL.4 [8] Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.[9] But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? [10] YE OBSERVE DAYS, AND MONTHS, AND TIMES, AND YEARS.[11] I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Galatians 4 says nothing about sabbaths or feast days or anything concerning the 10 commandments. Its speaking of those who observe times.
DEUT.18 [9] When thou art come into the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, thou shalt not learn to do after the abominations of those nations.[10] There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, OR AN OBSERVER OF TIMES, or an enchanter, or a witch,[11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
The same thing goes on to this very day. Its speaking of the occult. Those who observe certain days by use of horoscopes?
2 CHR.33 [3] For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.[4] Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.[5] And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.[6] And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: ALSO HE OBSERVED TIMES, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger
Enchantments, witchcraft, familiar spirits, and wizards. Its speaking of the occult. Not following sabbath days.
LEV.19 [26] Ye shall not eat any thing with the blood: neither shall ye use enchantment, NOR OBSERVE TIMES.[27] Ye shall not round the corners of your heads, neither shalt thou mar the corners of thy beard.[28] Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.[29] Do not prostitute thy daughter, to cause her to be a whore; lest the land fall to whoredom, and the land become full of wickedness.[30] YE SHALL KEEP MY SABBATHS, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.
I guess this scripture says it all. You shall not observe times BUT you will keep my sabbaths. Believe the written Word. It will come to pass.
I haven't tweaked anything! Anyone who is trusting in anything but Christ's finished work on the cross i.e. putting one self under the ten commandments, the keeping of the Sabbath, abstaining from foods, etc., as a requirement for salvation, will not inherit the kingdom of God. And that because they are trusting in those things. Whenever anyone brings in any other requirement for salvation along side of Christ's sacrifice, it is the same as saying that Christ's sacrifice was insufficient. Christ did not come and shed His blood in order to perpetuate the law so that we could continue to fail at it. He did what we couldn't do in the flesh and that is, keep the law perfectly. Now that Christ has come and the law has been fulfilled, we are free from the law. It no longer has power over us. Sin gets its power from the law and you want to put yourself and others back under it?
LUKE 18 [20] Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.
MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. As you can plainly see....the 10 commandments.
1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
The translated Word for commandments in 1John2 is "entole". Why do you make the claim its not the 10 commandments?
The translated word for commandments in the above scripture is “entole”. As you can see its the 10 commandments. No doubt about it.
MATTHEW 19 [16] And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? [17] And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. [18] He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, [19] Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
The translated word for commandments in Matthew 19 is “entole”. As you can plainly see....the 10 commandments.
1JOHN2 [3] AND HEREBY WE DO KNOW THAT WE KNOW HIM, IF WE KEEP HIS COMMANDMENTS.[4] He that saith, i know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.[5] But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
The translated Word for commandments in 1John2 is "entole". Why do you make the claim its not the 10 commandments?
John told us exactly what the commandments of God are in the New Covenant. We don't live by the 10 commandments - we live by the life of Christ in us now in the New Covenant.
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Paul said that the righteous shall live by faith - faith in Christ alone. Paul also said that the law is NOT of faith.
Romans 3:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Galatians 3:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
We are in the New Covenant now - the Old Covenant is dead to us. We have died to the law SO THAT we would be joined to Another - our Lord Jesus.
Going back to the law for living is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord Jesus. Romans 7:1-6
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Paul said that the righteous shall live by faith - faith in Christ alone. Paul also said that the law is NOT of faith.
Romans 3:28 (NASB)
[SUP]28 [/SUP] For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Galatians 3:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
We are in the New Covenant now - the Old Covenant is dead to us. We have died to the law SO THAT we would be joined to Another - our Lord Jesus.
Going back to the law for living is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord Jesus. Romans 7:1-6
We establish the Law because of Christ being in us. He fulfilled the Law for us and we are in Him now.
The ten commandments are called the "ministry of death" by Paul. 2 Cor. 3:7
The Law is eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. We are to eat from the tree of Life now and that tree is Christ - Himself.
Galatians 3:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
[SUP]12 [/SUP] And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.
OK Grace 777. Its all about faith
ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.
We are not to make void the law (10 commandments) because we have faith. You claim otherwise. Ill go with the Ole King James
What I am saying is that the ten commandments are a shadow of the real thing which is Christ - Himself. His life in us fulfills the whole Law.
If you are going to live by the Law ( including the ten commandments ) you shall live by them as the Law is not of faith. If you break one law - you are guilty of them all - James said.
People that "try" to live by the Law are actually watering down the Law to make it "doe-able" for themselves and actually have little respect for the Law because they end up doing this. That's why when Jesus came - He taught the Law on steroids - Moses 2.0. Jesus said - You shall not murder - but I tell you if you hate you have murdered ".
You can live by the Law if you want - real Christians will live by the law of the spirit of Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of liberty in Christ, the law of faith and the law of Christ - Himself being inside of us living in and through us to a hurt and dying world.
If you are going to live by the Law ( including the ten commandments ) you shall live by them as the Law is not of faith. If you break one law - you are guilty of them all - James said.
People that "try" to live by the Law are actually watering down the Law to make it "doe-able" for themselves and actually have little respect for the Law because they end up doing this. That's why when Jesus came - He taught the Law on steroids - Moses 2.0. Jesus said - You shall not murder - but I tell you if you hate you have murdered ".
You can live by the Law if you want - real Christians will live by the law of the spirit of Christ Jesus, the law of love, the law of liberty in Christ, the law of faith and the law of Christ - Himself being inside of us living in and through us to a hurt and dying world.