So what about the fourth commandment?
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God who in times past "after" He spoke to through the prophets in many ways has in these last days spoken to us in His Son.
Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Because of His Son's finished work - this is the commandments of God "in the New Covenant".
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
Hebrews 1:1-2 (NASB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] God, after He spoke long ago to the fathers in the prophets in many portions and in many ways,
[SUP]2 [/SUP] in these last days has spoken to us in His Son, whom He appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the world.
Because of His Son's finished work - this is the commandments of God "in the New Covenant".
1 John 3:23 (NASB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] This is His commandment, that we believe in the name of His Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, just as He commanded us.
But this
[shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHVH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33 (KJV, MBM)
So, for a "new covenant" believer, I am guessing the 4th commandment should be written on their mind and on their heart.
oh wait, here it comes, "jesus is my rest'.
[shall be] the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith YHVH, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
Jeremiah 31:33 (KJV, MBM)
So, for a "new covenant" believer, I am guessing the 4th commandment should be written on their mind and on their heart.
oh wait, here it comes, "jesus is my rest'.
Everything in the Law was a shadow of the real substance which is Christ - Himself. The "law" written on our hearts is Jesus Himself - not a bunch of rules.
People keep leaving out Christ for their life now by going back to the Old Covenant which is now obsolete.
Hebrews 4:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
People keep leaving out Christ for their life now by going back to the Old Covenant which is now obsolete.
Hebrews 4:9-11 (NASB)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] So there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God.
[SUP]10 [/SUP] For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His.
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Therefore let us be diligent to enter that rest, so that no one will fall, through following the same example of disobedience.
Here is a great article that reveals what is written on our hearts now.
The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments
“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)
“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”
Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:
1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?
2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.
3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.
4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).
5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).
6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?
7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.
8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?
9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.
10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).
11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.
13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?
14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?
15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?
16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?
17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.
If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.
The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/17/law-in-hearts-ten-commandments/
The Law Written on Our Hearts is not the Ten Commandments
“This is the covenant I will make with them after that time,” says the Lord. “I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.” (Heb 10:16)
“This is obviously a reference to the law of Moses,” says the law-preacher. “The Ten Commandments were written in stone, now they’re written in the hearts and minds of God’s people.”
Not true. Here are seventeen reasons why God has not written the Ten Commandments on your heart:
1. The law inflames sin (Rom 5:20) and the strength of sin is the law (1 Cor 15:56). Why would God want to stir up sin in your life?
2. The law condemns (2 Cor 3:9), yet there is no condemnation to those in Christ.
3. The law ministers death (2 Cor 3:7), but God wants you to enjoy abundant life.
4. Law and grace don’t mix. You are under grace, not law (Rom 6:14).
5. Living by the law will alienate you from Christ (Gal 5:4).
6. Living by the law is cheating on Jesus (Rom 7). Why would God do anything to encourage spiritual adultery?
7. We’re to live by faith but the law is not of faith (Gal 3:12). The law encourages us to depend on ourselves instead of Jesus.
8. Those who live under the law are under a curse (Gal 3:10). Why would God curse those he has blessed?
9. The law binds and enslaves (Rom 7:6), but Jesus wants you free.
10. The law keeps you immature for it makes nothing perfect or complete (Heb 7:19).
11. We have died to the law so that we may serve in the new way of the Spirit and “not in the old way of the written code” (Rom 7:6).
12. When there has been a change of priesthood, the law must be changed also (Heb 7:12). For God to write the old law on our hearts would be like saying Aaron is greater than Jesus.
13. God found fault with the law-keeping covenant and made it obsolete (Heb 8:7,13). Why would God insult his Son’s sacrifice by giving you the very thing his sacrifice rendered obsolete?
14. The law is a shadow of the good things to come and not the reality (Heb 10:1). Why would God give you the shadow instead of “the good thing”?
15. The Jews considered the law to be ordained by angels (Heb 2:2). If so, says the author of Hebrews, then it is inferior to the gospel of Jesus (Heb 1:4). Why would God give you an inferior gift?
16. Some Christians think that God gives them the law as a guide to live by, but why would God want you to repeat the mistake of the Galatians (Gal 3:2)? Why would God do anything to make you fall from grace?
17. The old law-keeping covenant required an accounting or remembering of sin, but the new covenant is characterized by God forgiving and forgetting on account of Jesus (Heb 10:17). If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, then Jesus died for nothing.
If God has written the Ten Commandments on your heart and mind, you should be able to list all ten with no trouble. Can you? What’s the seventh commandment? You can’t do it because it’s not there, and a very good thing that is too! If the law that God writes in our hearts is the law of Moses, you’re in big trouble.
The good news is that God has written in us a far better law. What is this new and better law?
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/17/law-in-hearts-ten-commandments/
What is the Law Written on Our Hearts?
Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)
What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:
So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?
It is himself.
Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.
1. The law of love
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)
Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.” But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.
How does it happen?
God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)
God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?
2. The law of the Spirit of life
It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)
Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:
Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)
Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).
For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)
Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.
3. The perfect law of liberty
James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6). What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.
The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.
But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)
Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals his righteousness.
“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.
Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.
The Law written in our hearts is Jesus
Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).
The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus himself.
How do you know he’s there?
Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.
Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/23/what-is-the-law-written-on-our-hearts/
Six-hundred years before Jesus came, the prophet Jeremiah spoke of a new covenant that God would make with his people:
“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord. “I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people. No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest.” (Jer 31:33-34)
What is the law that God writes on our hearts and minds? Here are three things it is not:
- It is not the law of Moses. As we saw in the last post, if God wrote the Ten Commandments on our hearts then Jesus died for nothing.
- It is not a new and improved version of the law. It is not the new commands of Jesus or the New Testament. We cannot please God by keeping a new law any more than we could please him by keeping an old one.
- It is not the knowledge of right and wrong that was bestowed upon us – against the Lord’s wishes – by Adam.
So what is this law that the Lord writes on our hearts and minds and embeds in our very being?
It is himself.
Let’s look at three things the New Testament says about the new law in our hearts.
1. The law of love
A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. (John 13:34)
Under the old law covenant, love was demanded from you. “Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, mind and strength.” But under the new covenant of grace, love is given to you – “As I have loved you” – and out of the overflow of Christ’s measureless love we are able to love others.
How does it happen?
God’s love has been poured out into our hearts through the Holy Spirit, who has been given to us. (Rom 5:5)
God abundantly pours his love into our hearts by giving us the Holy Spirit, a.k.a. the Spirit of Christ. Do you see the difference between the old and new?
- Under the old, the law was a rule for weak men to obey. Under the new, the Law is the Spirit of Christ given to us, loving us, and loving others through us.
- Under the old, you loved others because you feared punishment. But under the new, you love because a Lover lives in you and it is his nature to love.
- Under the old, you had to make an effort to obey. But under the new you have to make an effort to disobey. It’s a whole new way of life.
2. The law of the Spirit of life
It’s important that you understand the difference between the old law (a written code you can’t keep) and the new Law (Christ himself, living in you). Try and live by the old laws, as Paul did, and it make you miserable:
What a wretched man I am! Who will rescue me from this body that is subject to death? (Rom 7:24)
Paul couldn’t keep the old law no matter how hard he tried. He needed a new law and that new law is a Who:
Who will rescue me…? Thanks be to God, who delivers me through Jesus Christ our Lord. (Rom 7:24-25a)
Do you see? The old law is a what; the new law is a Who. The old law ministers condemnation and death (2 Cor 3:7-9), but the new “law of the Spirit gives life” (Rom 8:2).
For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. (2 Cor 3:6)
Who gives life? Not a set of rules, but the Spirit of Christ within you. The new law is a Who.
3. The perfect law of liberty
James wrote of “the perfect law that gives freedom” (Jas 1:25), which can be contrasted with the law of Moses that binds (Rom 7:6). What is the perfect law that gives freedom? Well, what is the implanted word that can save you (Jas 1:21)? It’s not the Ten Commandments or the Bible. It’s Jesus, the living Word who sets us free.
The perfect law of liberty describes what Jesus has done (perfectly fulfilled or completed the law) and the fruit he will bear in our lives (liberty) if we trust him.
But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it – not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it – they will be blessed in what they do. (Jas 1:25)
Look into the mirror of Moses’ law and you will be miserable, for it exposes all your faults. But look into the perfect law which is Jesus and you will be blessed, for it reveals his righteousness.
“Don’t just listen but do what it (the perfect law of liberty) says” (Jas 1:22). In other words, allow the Spirit of Christ to convince you that in him you are righteous and holy.
Don’t walk away from the perfect law and forget who you are in Christ. Fix your eyes on Jesus. Look intently with an unveiled face and be transformed into his likeness.
The Law written in our hearts is Jesus
Jeremiah said those who had the new law written on their hearts would know the Lord and would no longer need others to teach them. This is describing your union with Christ. One with the Lord you have the mind of Christ (1 Cor 2:16). His Spirit dwells in you and teaches you all things (John 14:26).
The law of the Lord written into your members is your Father’s spiritual DNA. It is the seed of God birthed in you by the Holy Spirit. It’s Jesus himself.
How do you know he’s there?
Because you are a new creation with new hopes and desires. You no longer want to sin. Your desire is to love God and others and that desire has nothing to do with old rules written in stone.
Christian, you are who you are because Christ lives in you. He is the new law written, by God, in your heart and mind.
https://escapetoreality.org/2015/04/23/what-is-the-law-written-on-our-hearts/
When brother Yacov (James) refers to the "perfect law of liberty", most modern people think that is something new.
However, in reality, Yacov was quoting from the Psalms. Everyone around him would have immediately knew what he was quoting. Just people today have made him un-Jewish, and don't know what he is saying. Here is what he says:
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 1:25 (KJV, MBM)
He is quoting from Psalms:
The law of YHVH [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of YHVH [is] sure, making wise the simple.
Psalms 19:7 (KJV, MBM)
So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
Psalms 119:44-45 (KJV, MBM)
However, in reality, Yacov was quoting from the Psalms. Everyone around him would have immediately knew what he was quoting. Just people today have made him un-Jewish, and don't know what he is saying. Here is what he says:
But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth [therein], he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.
James 1:25 (KJV, MBM)
He is quoting from Psalms:
The law of YHVH [is] perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of YHVH [is] sure, making wise the simple.
Psalms 19:7 (KJV, MBM)
So shall I keep thy law continually for ever and ever. And I will walk at liberty: for I seek thy precepts.
Psalms 119:44-45 (KJV, MBM)
Jesus is the fulfillment of the Law and the prophets. Jesus is the center of everything. No one is going to desert Christ for the Law - disciplemike...selah.
Jesus is written on our hearts and minds now. Whenever you see "law" or precepts or ordinances - substitute it with Jesus and the scriptures will come to live.
Modern day Judaizers are doing the exact same thing as the Pharisees where doing. Modern day Judaizers think that the "law" has life in them for living and for finding eternal life but they all speak of Christ alone.
John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Modern day Judaizers forsake Christ for the Law and are committing spiritual adultery on the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 7:1-6. Real Christians have died to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Jesus our Lord.
Jesus is written on our hearts and minds now. Whenever you see "law" or precepts or ordinances - substitute it with Jesus and the scriptures will come to live.
Modern day Judaizers are doing the exact same thing as the Pharisees where doing. Modern day Judaizers think that the "law" has life in them for living and for finding eternal life but they all speak of Christ alone.
John 5:39-40 (NASB)
[SUP]39 [/SUP] "You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me;
[SUP]40 [/SUP] and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.
Modern day Judaizers forsake Christ for the Law and are committing spiritual adultery on the Lord Jesus Christ. Romans 7:1-6. Real Christians have died to the Law SO THAT we could be joined to Another - Jesus our Lord.
We can trust the Holy Spirit living inside of us now.
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.
The purpose of the law was :
1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
Col 2:13-15 is where in says that Christ "disarmed" satan having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and He nailed it to the cross.
Satan uses the law against us. Satan comes and says to you - you broke the law - you are condemned now according to the law. BUT our Lord took that punishment for breaking that law for us. When Christ takes away the condemnation of the law which satan uses against when he accuses us - he is being "disarmed".
If disarmed means anything - it means he did have a weapon but now he doesn't because of our Lord. How great is our salvation in Him!
Paul who knew the law better then anyone had this to say about the purpose of the law.
The purpose of the law was :
1) To reveal our sinful state. Rom 3:20
2) To inflame sin Rom 7:8
3) To minister death in us Rom 7:10-11
4) To lead us to Christ Gal 3:24
The law is good, holy and spiritual but we are in the flesh. Jesus fulfilled all the law! When we read the law we should be seeing Jesus in it. Jesus did not save us so that we could go back to the law.
But the purpose of the law was not for righteousness or salvation at all, it was to manifest sin in our lives, so that the purpose of grace which is in Jesus is to manifest salvation. Grace does not set aside the law, but completely satisfied it.
Col 2:13-15 is where in says that Christ "disarmed" satan having cancelled out the certificate of debt consisting of decrees against us and He nailed it to the cross.
Satan uses the law against us. Satan comes and says to you - you broke the law - you are condemned now according to the law. BUT our Lord took that punishment for breaking that law for us. When Christ takes away the condemnation of the law which satan uses against when he accuses us - he is being "disarmed".
If disarmed means anything - it means he did have a weapon but now he doesn't because of our Lord. How great is our salvation in Him!
The Father asks us to believe in what His Son has done in His finished work on the cross and resurrection.
The Father also says to "hear Him" - talking about Jesus.
On the mount of transfiguration we see Moses - the Law giver and Elijah - the law-restorer. Peter wants to build 3 tabernacles for each of them and thus make them equal. The Father speaks from heaven and says This is my beloved Son - hear Him".
The Old Law Covenant was a shadow of the New Covenant to come which is Jesus Himself. The Father says to "Hear Him".
We live now by Christ living in us and He is the fulfillment of the Law and the prophets. Going back to the Law for living is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord. Romans 7:1-6.
We have died to the Law SO THAT we would be joined to Another - Jesus Himself in our spirit - the new creation in Christ.
The Father also says to "hear Him" - talking about Jesus.
On the mount of transfiguration we see Moses - the Law giver and Elijah - the law-restorer. Peter wants to build 3 tabernacles for each of them and thus make them equal. The Father speaks from heaven and says This is my beloved Son - hear Him".
The Old Law Covenant was a shadow of the New Covenant to come which is Jesus Himself. The Father says to "Hear Him".
We live now by Christ living in us and He is the fulfillment of the Law and the prophets. Going back to the Law for living is committing spiritual adultery on our Lord. Romans 7:1-6.
We have died to the Law SO THAT we would be joined to Another - Jesus Himself in our spirit - the new creation in Christ.
Or they are serving the fleshly laws used in ceremonial laws as if they could quicken a person’s soul?
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col 2:16
What does it mean stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
Only what? Only we cannot judge one another in regard to them? What was the purpose of the first Tabernacle?
Is the new reformed one visible to the eye or because of the reformation we are the temple of God?
Do we walk by faith, the unseen, or walk by the sight experiencing shadows that have no substance to offer that in the end of the matter could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience?
Did killing animals make a person’s conscience perfect? Did it forgive even one sin? Or will the eternal rest we do have as part of our new birth will not be realized until we receive our new incorruptible bodies that will be neither Jew nor Gentile, male not female .
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. Col 2:16
What does it mean stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.
The Holy Ghost this signifying, that the way into the holiest of all was not yet made manifest, while as the first tabernacle was yet standing: Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation. Heb 9:8
Only what? Only we cannot judge one another in regard to them? What was the purpose of the first Tabernacle?
Is the new reformed one visible to the eye or because of the reformation we are the temple of God?
Do we walk by faith, the unseen, or walk by the sight experiencing shadows that have no substance to offer that in the end of the matter could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience?
Did killing animals make a person’s conscience perfect? Did it forgive even one sin? Or will the eternal rest we do have as part of our new birth will not be realized until we receive our new incorruptible bodies that will be neither Jew nor Gentile, male not female .
Oh, the deception! The slogan that you posted above which says "His solution was to send his Son to get rid of the same law" reminds me of the double-talk that is performed by the JW's and other cults. It also demonstrates that you still don't understand what Jesus accomplished.
God did not send His Son to get rid of the law, but He sent Him to meet the laws requirements i.e. to fulfill it and bring it to its completion, which is something that mankind was/is unable to do. Jesus did not come to meet the righteous requirements of the law in order to perpetuate it, i.e. to keep it going, but to satisfy God's requirements of its need for fulfillment.
This on-going debate is ridiculous in that, neither you nor anyone else is able to keep the law. And if you claim that you are keeping it, scripture says that you are a liar and the truth is not in you. And since you are not keeping the law, then you are law breaker, as one who has put himself under it. You people who are promoting the law, if you continue in it and die in that state, sadly you will find out the truth only too late and then you will be those stuttering "Lord, Lord, did we not?".
You claim that salvation is through Christ, yet you promote the works of the law.
You ignore all NT scripture that states that we are under a new covenant and that the law was only meant to last until Christ came.
You who are trying to find favor with God by keeping the works of the law are not trusting in Christ, for if you were, you would not be promoting the keeping of the law. Can you not understand what the following means:
"Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised."
Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God's promise that he would give him a son despite his and Sarah's old age, and that was 430 years before the law had been given. Abraham was credited with righteousness by faith alone apart from works. The promise of being credited with righteousness was not only for Abraham, but all of those who have the same faith as Abraham, which are all those who are trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation. It is by faith alone that we have been saved apart from the works of the law.
"Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead.Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. Hewas delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. "
"I am astonished that you [who are trusting in the law] are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Emphasis mine [who are trusting in the law]
"You foolish [keepers of the law!] Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you [disciplemike]: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of [your own efforts]?
Emphasis mine: [keepers of the law], [disciplemike], [your own efforts].
The claim by those under the law:
"Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
The Pharisees claim to be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses would refer to the keeping of the entire law i.e. every ordinance that God gave through Moses for Israel.
The answer regarding the keeping of the law of Moses from the Holy Spirit through Peter:
"After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
In the scripture above when Peter says, "He did not discriminate between us and them" he is referring to the fact that, the Spirit was given to those who were not under the law, just as the Spirit was given to those who were previously under the law i.e. the keeping of the law of Moses was not a requirement for salvation, for as the scripture states, God purified their hearts by faith and not by being under the law nor by being baptized, but by their faith alone!
God did not send His Son to get rid of the law, but He sent Him to meet the laws requirements i.e. to fulfill it and bring it to its completion, which is something that mankind was/is unable to do. Jesus did not come to meet the righteous requirements of the law in order to perpetuate it, i.e. to keep it going, but to satisfy God's requirements of its need for fulfillment.
This on-going debate is ridiculous in that, neither you nor anyone else is able to keep the law. And if you claim that you are keeping it, scripture says that you are a liar and the truth is not in you. And since you are not keeping the law, then you are law breaker, as one who has put himself under it. You people who are promoting the law, if you continue in it and die in that state, sadly you will find out the truth only too late and then you will be those stuttering "Lord, Lord, did we not?".
You claim that salvation is through Christ, yet you promote the works of the law.
You ignore all NT scripture that states that we are under a new covenant and that the law was only meant to last until Christ came.
You who are trying to find favor with God by keeping the works of the law are not trusting in Christ, for if you were, you would not be promoting the keeping of the law. Can you not understand what the following means:
"Why, then, was the law given? It was given alongside the promise to show people their sins. But the law was designed to last only until the coming of the child who was promised."
Abraham was credited with righteousness because he believed God's promise that he would give him a son despite his and Sarah's old age, and that was 430 years before the law had been given. Abraham was credited with righteousness by faith alone apart from works. The promise of being credited with righteousness was not only for Abraham, but all of those who have the same faith as Abraham, which are all those who are trusting in Christ as the One who provided salvation. It is by faith alone that we have been saved apart from the works of the law.
"Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, “So shall your offspring be.” Without weakening in his faith, he faced the fact that his body was as good as dead—since he was about a hundred years old—and that Sarah’s womb was also dead.Yet he did not waver through unbelief regarding the promise of God, but was strengthened in his faith and gave glory to God, being fully persuaded that God had power to do what he had promised. This is why “it was credited to him as righteousness.” The words “it was credited to him” were written not for him alone, but also for us, to whom God will credit righteousness—for us who believe in him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead. Hewas delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification. "
"I am astonished that you [who are trusting in the law] are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!
Emphasis mine [who are trusting in the law]
"You foolish [keepers of the law!] Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you [disciplemike]: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of [your own efforts]?
Emphasis mine: [keepers of the law], [disciplemike], [your own efforts].
The claim by those under the law:
"Then some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, “The Gentiles must be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses.”
The Pharisees claim to be circumcised and required to keep the law of Moses would refer to the keeping of the entire law i.e. every ordinance that God gave through Moses for Israel.
The answer regarding the keeping of the law of Moses from the Holy Spirit through Peter:
"After much discussion, Peter got up and addressed them: “Brothers, you know that some time ago God made a choice among you that the Gentiles might hear from my lips the message of the gospel and believe. God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. He did not discriminate between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Now then, why do you try to test God by putting on the necks of Gentiles a yoke that neither we nor our ancestors have been able to bear? No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”
In the scripture above when Peter says, "He did not discriminate between us and them" he is referring to the fact that, the Spirit was given to those who were not under the law, just as the Spirit was given to those who were previously under the law i.e. the keeping of the law of Moses was not a requirement for salvation, for as the scripture states, God purified their hearts by faith and not by being under the law nor by being baptized, but by their faith alone!
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