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Yer another issue for Trump to address when he gets elected...
Not that it is a big surprise to anyone with a brain.
Aetna ditching 70% of its ObamaCare business
By Carl Campanile
August 16, 2016 | 9:24am
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The New York Post
Insurance giant Aetna won’t be offering coverage under ObamaCare next year in 11 of the 15 states it now serves — an announcement that instantly became an issue in the presidential race.
Aetna’s decision led Donald Trump to charge that President Obama’s health care reform was “imploding.”
“Aetna’s decision to leave the Affordable Care Act’s public marketplaces is the latest blow to this broken law that is slowly imploding under its regulatory red tape,” said Trump campaign deputy national policy director Dan Kowalski.
“Millions of Americans have lost their health coverage under this disastrous policy, eliminating their ability to choose their doctors. Thousands of businesses have been forced to cut employment or shutter their doors in response to Obama’s signature achievement,” he added.
The company had previously warned that it expected to lose more than $300 million this year on the 900,000 patients it covers under the Affordable Care Act.
Aetna said it is pulling out of ObamaCare markets in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Texas.
Aetna does not currently offer the policies in New York.
It does offer other medical insurance to individuals and small businesses as well as large employers in the state, officials said.
It will continue to offer policies in Delaware, Iowa, Nebraska and Virginia.
ObamaCare is credited with expanding coverage to millions of previously uninsured or under-insured people.
But insurers have complained they have lost money on the policies. United Health Group and Humana are other insurers exiting ObamaCare plans.
Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini, in a statement, said there were not enough younger, healthier customers signing up to make ObamaCare policies sustainable.
“The vast majority of payers have experienced continued financial stress within their individual public exchange business. Providing affordable, high-quality health care options to consumers is not possible without a balanced risk pool,” Bertolini said.
More than a dozen nonprofit insurance co-ops have shut down in the past couple years.
The pullouts could spell trouble because competition is supposed to help control price increases.
Some states like Alaska and Oklahoma will be left with only one insurer selling ObamaCare plans to individuals in 2017.
More densely populated states like New York say their ObamaCare markets remain strong.
But rates for customers are skyrocketing to maintain stability.
Citing increased medical costs, New York recently authorized insurers offering individual ObamaCare plans to increase premiums by an average 16.6 percent — the highest rate hike in the program’s four-year existence.
New York’s small businesses will get hit with an average 8.3 percent rate hike
Not that it is a big surprise to anyone with a brain.
Aetna ditching 70% of its ObamaCare business
By Carl Campanile
August 16, 2016 | 9:24am
Modal Trigger
Photo: AP
The New York Post
Insurance giant Aetna won’t be offering coverage under ObamaCare next year in 11 of the 15 states it now serves — an announcement that instantly became an issue in the presidential race.
Aetna’s decision led Donald Trump to charge that President Obama’s health care reform was “imploding.”
“Aetna’s decision to leave the Affordable Care Act’s public marketplaces is the latest blow to this broken law that is slowly imploding under its regulatory red tape,” said Trump campaign deputy national policy director Dan Kowalski.
“Millions of Americans have lost their health coverage under this disastrous policy, eliminating their ability to choose their doctors. Thousands of businesses have been forced to cut employment or shutter their doors in response to Obama’s signature achievement,” he added.
The company had previously warned that it expected to lose more than $300 million this year on the 900,000 patients it covers under the Affordable Care Act.
Aetna said it is pulling out of ObamaCare markets in Arizona, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kentucky, Missouri, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Texas.
Aetna does not currently offer the policies in New York.
It does offer other medical insurance to individuals and small businesses as well as large employers in the state, officials said.
It will continue to offer policies in Delaware, Iowa, Nebraska and Virginia.
ObamaCare is credited with expanding coverage to millions of previously uninsured or under-insured people.
But insurers have complained they have lost money on the policies. United Health Group and Humana are other insurers exiting ObamaCare plans.
Aetna CEO Mark Bertolini, in a statement, said there were not enough younger, healthier customers signing up to make ObamaCare policies sustainable.
“The vast majority of payers have experienced continued financial stress within their individual public exchange business. Providing affordable, high-quality health care options to consumers is not possible without a balanced risk pool,” Bertolini said.
More than a dozen nonprofit insurance co-ops have shut down in the past couple years.
The pullouts could spell trouble because competition is supposed to help control price increases.
Some states like Alaska and Oklahoma will be left with only one insurer selling ObamaCare plans to individuals in 2017.
More densely populated states like New York say their ObamaCare markets remain strong.
But rates for customers are skyrocketing to maintain stability.
Citing increased medical costs, New York recently authorized insurers offering individual ObamaCare plans to increase premiums by an average 16.6 percent — the highest rate hike in the program’s four-year existence.
New York’s small businesses will get hit with an average 8.3 percent rate hike
And this too...
Ouch! Retiree healthcare costs hit record $260K
By Post Staff Report
August 16, 2016 | 11:14am
The New York Post
The average 65-year-old couple retiring today will need $260,000 just to cover healthcare expenses, a new study shows.
That’s a six percent jump over last year’s estimated $245,000 and an 18 percent surge since 2014, according to Fidelity’s annual report on retiree health care expenses.
It’s also the highest figure since 2002, when the investment giant started crunching how much a couple will need to set aside for the rest of their lives if they retire now.
This year, Fidelity pointed the finger at prescription drugs, especially high-priced niche drugs, for driving up costs. As the economy improves, retirees are also using more health care.
Out-of-pocket prescription drug costs represent about a quarter percent of the total $260,000.
Around a third goes to Medicare premiums, including Part B (doctor visits and outpatient care) and Part D (prescription drugs).
Another 40 percent will go to co-payments, deductibles and expenses for things not covered by Medicare, such as most vision, hearing and dental costs.
Ouch! Retiree healthcare costs hit record $260K
By Post Staff Report
August 16, 2016 | 11:14am
The New York Post
The average 65-year-old couple retiring today will need $260,000 just to cover healthcare expenses, a new study shows.
That’s a six percent jump over last year’s estimated $245,000 and an 18 percent surge since 2014, according to Fidelity’s annual report on retiree health care expenses.
It’s also the highest figure since 2002, when the investment giant started crunching how much a couple will need to set aside for the rest of their lives if they retire now.
This year, Fidelity pointed the finger at prescription drugs, especially high-priced niche drugs, for driving up costs. As the economy improves, retirees are also using more health care.
Out-of-pocket prescription drug costs represent about a quarter percent of the total $260,000.
Around a third goes to Medicare premiums, including Part B (doctor visits and outpatient care) and Part D (prescription drugs).
Another 40 percent will go to co-payments, deductibles and expenses for things not covered by Medicare, such as most vision, hearing and dental costs.
How can this country keep up this economic pace?
Our military costs are by far the highest in the world.
Ditto our health care.
We are on the path to socialism, so those costs are rising.
We have more people then ever in civil service jobs. You know, the ones where you retire after 20 years and get pensions from usually at $50,000 a year; in many cases more.
Multiply that by 30 years the average person with a 20 year job will have in retirement, and you at 1.5 million per person per average length of pension payout, And my numbers are probably low. It is probably closer to 2 million per person per pension.
We are printing money we don't have.
We are losing jobs over seas.
We are losing companies to overseas, and their taxes with it.
Our business costs due to regulations are the highest in the world.
Our government is over loaded with government bonds.
People can't save money anymore. They have not for about 30 years now.
How are we getting out of this?
Certainly not with Hillary.
She will only make it worse. I don;t see how anyone can not see that.
Our military costs are by far the highest in the world.
Ditto our health care.
We are on the path to socialism, so those costs are rising.
We have more people then ever in civil service jobs. You know, the ones where you retire after 20 years and get pensions from usually at $50,000 a year; in many cases more.
Multiply that by 30 years the average person with a 20 year job will have in retirement, and you at 1.5 million per person per average length of pension payout, And my numbers are probably low. It is probably closer to 2 million per person per pension.
We are printing money we don't have.
We are losing jobs over seas.
We are losing companies to overseas, and their taxes with it.
Our business costs due to regulations are the highest in the world.
Our government is over loaded with government bonds.
People can't save money anymore. They have not for about 30 years now.
How are we getting out of this?
Certainly not with Hillary.
She will only make it worse. I don;t see how anyone can not see that.
I did not respond with anger. I was frustrated by your replies, when you did reply, but you saying I was angry is you just projecting. You did not reply or replied with off the wall answers. That is just not my opinion, but a fact. You said things that made not sense. Literally. Like here, when you say the conservatives, or the Republicans control the media. You lose credibility when you say things like that. And you made the same type of crazy claims on the Arab thread. That's why I, and 3 or 4 other people, just stopped speaking with you.
Your very words indict you. You say "you are defeated". I don't even look at it as being victorious or defeated. I look at it as a exchange of ideas, and a friendly banter between people who have the same world view. People who have more in common then not. That is why I am on this site. I can be anywhere. I want to be among fellow Christians.
Out look at our different sentiments as if we were different denominations. Yet still all in the same camp united in our love for Jesus.
I am beginning to think you just like to debate, which I guess is fine. But if your debating here, on this site, as a Christian, for the sole purpose of defeating someone, I think you miss the point.
Another issue I have with you, and actually a good number of people here is that you/they don't debate fairly. By that I mean you ignore what you can't answer without that answer implying you may be in error about something.
Or you respond to certain things with these replies that are just from out of space. That may have more to do with your views, I don't know. But I am not the only one who sees this here. I hope it is not a tactic your using to just frustrate people, or because you get a kick out of it.
As far as Trump, I asked you a few times what your beliefs were regarding important issues of same sex marriage, abortion, sex out of marriage, divorce, and other such crucial attitudes. I asked because I wanted to gauge how truly liberal you may or may not be. You publicly state your support for Hillary, but won't say why on the social issues.
Yes, we know you for gun control, or even maybe the abolishment of the second amendment. We know you have a dim view of the way America has conducted itself in world matters.
These are issues which are what I call marshmellow issues. What I mean is that they don't alter my view of anyone as far as if I think that person has their core Christian beliefs accurately interpreted. Even gender neutral bathrooms. I don't like them, I think it is disgusting and dangerous, but if a Christian says they are for them it does not alter my idea of if they are on target with their Christianity or not.
You are so liberal, and some of the things you have said about Muslims and Islam, it makes me wonder what your core Christian sentiments are. Please understand I am not questioning your love or belief in Christ. I do question though your understanding of the bible and what some of the crucial nucleus Christian teachings are. If you say you think same sex marriage is okay, then we are in solemn disagreement.
So yeah, you are under no obligation to respond to me about that. But I can't see going any further with you until you can give me feedback on this. So considering the way you debate, and also that you look at it as victory and defeat, and that you won't clarify your positions, just like on the Arab thread, I am no longer going to reply to you.
You won. You defeated me.
Are you happy?
Your very words indict you. You say "you are defeated". I don't even look at it as being victorious or defeated. I look at it as a exchange of ideas, and a friendly banter between people who have the same world view. People who have more in common then not. That is why I am on this site. I can be anywhere. I want to be among fellow Christians.
Out look at our different sentiments as if we were different denominations. Yet still all in the same camp united in our love for Jesus.
I am beginning to think you just like to debate, which I guess is fine. But if your debating here, on this site, as a Christian, for the sole purpose of defeating someone, I think you miss the point.
Another issue I have with you, and actually a good number of people here is that you/they don't debate fairly. By that I mean you ignore what you can't answer without that answer implying you may be in error about something.
Or you respond to certain things with these replies that are just from out of space. That may have more to do with your views, I don't know. But I am not the only one who sees this here. I hope it is not a tactic your using to just frustrate people, or because you get a kick out of it.
As far as Trump, I asked you a few times what your beliefs were regarding important issues of same sex marriage, abortion, sex out of marriage, divorce, and other such crucial attitudes. I asked because I wanted to gauge how truly liberal you may or may not be. You publicly state your support for Hillary, but won't say why on the social issues.
Yes, we know you for gun control, or even maybe the abolishment of the second amendment. We know you have a dim view of the way America has conducted itself in world matters.
These are issues which are what I call marshmellow issues. What I mean is that they don't alter my view of anyone as far as if I think that person has their core Christian beliefs accurately interpreted. Even gender neutral bathrooms. I don't like them, I think it is disgusting and dangerous, but if a Christian says they are for them it does not alter my idea of if they are on target with their Christianity or not.
You are so liberal, and some of the things you have said about Muslims and Islam, it makes me wonder what your core Christian sentiments are. Please understand I am not questioning your love or belief in Christ. I do question though your understanding of the bible and what some of the crucial nucleus Christian teachings are. If you say you think same sex marriage is okay, then we are in solemn disagreement.
So yeah, you are under no obligation to respond to me about that. But I can't see going any further with you until you can give me feedback on this. So considering the way you debate, and also that you look at it as victory and defeat, and that you won't clarify your positions, just like on the Arab thread, I am no longer going to reply to you.
You won. You defeated me.
Are you happy?
I haven't been paying attention but did come across this comment... This statement is flawed. Just because something has tons of support doesn't automatically mean it is right. Take pornography for example. Big business, big ratings. But you and I both know pornography isn't right. Adolph Hitler, lot of support. Obama, a lot of support in the previous two elections. Jim Jones (Jonestown, claimed himself a messiah. Led to a cult like following which led to the largest mass suicide in history). Just because one has support doesn't make it automatically right.
As I have told you enough times, if you want personal data just ask me privately.
Don't get mad at me just for calling you and other right wingers out on your hypocrisy. You claim to be ever so "Christian" and because of this you hate pornography and homosexuality. Yet you remain silent on the matter of red state preference for porn and Trump's wife's open homosexuality in her pornography. Had she been a leftist you would be all over it with endless criticism. Yet, each of your Pharisees remain silent. If you are angry it is because the truth has hit you in the face and you cannot deal with it.
''Yes, we know you for gun control, or even maybe the abolishment of the second amendment''
That is a blatant lie and shows your ignorance because I have previously stated that I am a former member of the NRA and STRONGLY support its stance on the Second Amendment. In fact, I just came back from a debate on the 2d Amendment in which I again affirmed the NRA's stance.* I am the only person on this forum who openly stood up to defend the Dallas area Black Panthers when they took up guns in order to stop racist white terrorists from keeping blacks and Latinos from voting in that city. Where the heck were you? Why didn't you defend them as they stood up for the Constitution when the police just stood by and did nothing to defend those innocents who were unfairly kept from voting? Next time before you criticize me under such a pretense DO YOUR HOMEWORK.
Sure I love to debate. But not because I succeed in making anyone look as foolish as you are. You are the one who is making yourself look foolish through your prejudices, your deluded political correctness, and your entrenched "thinking" in which you believe yourself to always be correct and everyone else always wrong.
Admit to your errors, be humble, and learn to be a proper Christian.
* For all others at 9:55PM I just got a PM from a right winger on another site who applauded my stance on the 2d Amendment
I actually was not sure what you believed about gun ownership...so it took a little goading, but you finally publicly one of your stances.
Maybe I should use the same tactic with the other issues.
You are a staunch supporter of same sex marriage. You more or less said so a while back in the singles forum. A shame anyone who calls themselves a Christian would support that.
And please don't deny you implied you are pro choice when it comes to abortion.
Maybe I should use the same tactic with the other issues.
You are a staunch supporter of same sex marriage. You more or less said so a while back in the singles forum. A shame anyone who calls themselves a Christian would support that.
And please don't deny you implied you are pro choice when it comes to abortion.
That's Donald's wife, though. Not Trump himself. Did Trump ever take part and direct? Were they even together when it happened? Honest questions. Blaming someone for someone else's behaviors is illogical. That's like attacking Hillary because Bill had sex in the oval office with the intern. Has nothing to do with her campaign. Just like this has nothing to do with his campaign.
I don't think any Christian support porn. How he came to the conclusion Christians support and view porn as an acceptable life style choice is beyond me.
And just because Meliana was doing what she was means Trump is not electable? Where does he extrapolate one from the other? I guess grace is not something he is big on. Also, the way he reasons and draws conclusions, if the worlds scientists thought like him, technologically we would still be living like in the days of Noah.
I guess he can't separate a struggle with sin as not being an endorsement of it.
He is a Christian, and yet is using the very same argument the world uses, namely that because Christians sin they have the same mindset as the world.
It is true that there are carnal Christians, and God knows they need our prayers, not condemnation, but to take one fact and then make the hyper leap in his froggy mind space to come to the conclusion that Christians are exactly the same as atheists or liberals in that regard just blows me away.
And just because Meliana was doing what she was means Trump is not electable? Where does he extrapolate one from the other? I guess grace is not something he is big on. Also, the way he reasons and draws conclusions, if the worlds scientists thought like him, technologically we would still be living like in the days of Noah.
I guess he can't separate a struggle with sin as not being an endorsement of it.
He is a Christian, and yet is using the very same argument the world uses, namely that because Christians sin they have the same mindset as the world.
It is true that there are carnal Christians, and God knows they need our prayers, not condemnation, but to take one fact and then make the hyper leap in his froggy mind space to come to the conclusion that Christians are exactly the same as atheists or liberals in that regard just blows me away.
I did as you suggested. I'd appreciate it if you would provide the link that shows her "reportedly millions earned" from these photo's and perverse lifestyle ? I'd like to see it. Thank you. I saw the photo's. Are you telling me that you haven't viewed far far more suggestive pics than these in your lifetime ? I'd ask you to be honest. Thank you again.
Trump Is starting to talk differently about building a wall and Mexico paying for It,now Its more like,I will build It If congress helps me.
Thats would have been believable to me,but he said,he WOULD build It and MEXICO pay for It.NOW he he Is backing off of that.
But he did say,he could shoot someone and not lose any support and now I believe that thats true about his BASE supporters,
Some of his supporters on this very site have said that If he doesnt build a wall and Mexico pay for It that they would lump him In with all the other lying politicians,but I don't believe them,no one can get that BRAIN WASHED and stop believing what he says until Its too late.
Thats would have been believable to me,but he said,he WOULD build It and MEXICO pay for It.NOW he he Is backing off of that.
But he did say,he could shoot someone and not lose any support and now I believe that thats true about his BASE supporters,
Some of his supporters on this very site have said that If he doesnt build a wall and Mexico pay for It that they would lump him In with all the other lying politicians,but I don't believe them,no one can get that BRAIN WASHED and stop believing what he says until Its too late.
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