Do you believe in the supernatural???

[Ultimatum77]

Since this is a Christian forum, I wonder how many of you actually believe in supernatural occurances such as:
Healings, demonic manifestations, deliverance & prophetic messages. Please share your thoughts.

Yes to all of the above, but the conduits by which they come (humans) are to be questioned sometimes for motives/validity.....but I do agree God heals people...demons can impersonate healing/miracles/prophecy as well....

 

[prodigal]

jude 1:6

King James 2000 Bible
And the angels who kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.


Proverbs 2:13Verse Concepts

From those who leave the paths of uprightness To walk in the ways of darkness;

John 3:19Verse Concepts

"This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil.

1 John 1:6


If we say that we have fellowship with Him and yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth;

 

[prodigal]

Yes to all of the above, but the conduits by which they come (humans) are to be questioned sometimes for motives/validity.....but I do agree God heals people...demons can impersonate healing/miracles/prophecy as well....

yes indeed which is why we should only be looking to cast anything out of anyone that will come to Christ..
Cos we know thats the last thing any demon wants..

 

[prodigal]

I always took that passage to refer unto the indwelling of the Holy Spirit being the seven Spirits of God referenced in Rev. 3:1 amongst others, which occurs to the spirit of the lost (male or female) who find out they live in their one house until the time of the times when the Kingdom of God comes. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.2 Cor 11:14 Why would anyone allow indwelling within them to begin with since it sounds more like a recipe for double mindedness than peace of mind. Luke 11:13 Yet as in the days of Noah, there is also the issue of the sop in which all whose nostrils was the breath of life, all that was in the dry land died. And the dry land is the dust of the ground.

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there:

do i need to add more am i missing something????

 

[Blain]

something to always remember and to understand is that satan loves to make counterfeits of everything good God does and says and gives anyone who gives a prophecy must above all else test the spirit because satan can easily trick one into thinking the vision or prophecy is from God just as many people kill and attack people in God's name believing they are serving God so do people give visions prophecy healing and all other supernatural gifts in God's name but is anything but of God.

discernment as a Christian is needed and an absolute must in any case or situation but never more so when it comes to the supernatural because if you don't have discernment when it comes to the supernatural and as of whose spirit it is from things can become very dangerous doors may be opened that were never supposed to be opened and the consequences can be dire.
to be able to have such discernment is a process as is with most things with God faith wisdom love a pure heart most things and most lessons from him are exactly as a tree growing to full size to bear fruits it takes a very slow and steady process.

but how does one gain discernment to begin with? it's important to ask for it to seek it to rely on father to guide us and teach us in this manner but as I have said it many many times a very deep personal and intimate love connection bond and relationship with God is needed. how do we get to know his voice? how do we begin to be able to adapt his ways of seeing and thinking how do we truly begin to know him and his spirit? well how else do get know another person? get to know their pattern of behavior and their ways of thinking and seeing things?

another thing to remember is that we cannot insert ourselves into the realm of the supernatural gifts such as healing or prophesying or speaking in tongues or any other supernatural gifts because if we try it will either not happen or satan will use that to trick us, as with everything else we wait upon the Lord. I for instance have always deeply desired the gift of healing I cannot stand to see others in pain however no matter how much I ask for their healing or no matter how much I wish I could be used to take their pain and illness away I have never been able to.

However I am always open to him using me for this at any given time and I believe it is the willingness he is seeking in the hearts of his children not strength or great faith or purity from sin or mistakes and also know that with every gift of the holy spirit and every supernatural thing within the realm of the supernatural there are several planes and deeper levels of each one and numbers in the bible can be a great way to understand that because numbers have meaning all throughout the bible the number six means man sin satan and the number 666 is a threefold of that meaning a much deeper and more powerful plane of the first meaning and so do all the gifts and the supernatural work

 

[LaurenTM]

I always took that passage to refer unto the indwelling of the Holy Spirit being the seven Spirits of God referenced in Rev. 3:1 amongst others, which occurs to the spirit of the lost (male or female) who find out they live in their one house until the time of the times when the Kingdom of God comes. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.2 Cor 11:14 Why would anyone allow indwelling within them to begin with since it sounds more like a recipe for double mindedness than peace of mind. Luke 11:13 Yet as in the days of Noah, there is also the issue of the sop in which all whose nostrils was the breath of life, all that was in the dry land died. And the dry land is the dust of the ground.

there is but ONE Holy Spirit


[h=1]But, John sees seven Spirits, why is that?[/h]Re 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Re 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Re 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of Godsent forth into all the earth.
[h=1]The Holy Spirit is one but has seven expressions or lamps[/h]
READ MORE HERE

 

[LaurenTM]

something to always remember and to understand is that satan loves to make counterfeits of everything good God does and says and gives anyone who gives a prophecy must above all else test the spirit because satan can easily trick one into thinking the vision or prophecy is from God just as many people kill and attack people in God's name believing they are serving God so do people give visions prophecy healing and all other supernatural gifts in God's name but is anything but of God.

the best way to overcome the counterfeit, is to become immersed in TRUTH

we do not find that in experience...truth is not experiential...therefore, we must look for truth where it actually exists

13“I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.14I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.17Sanctify them by[SUP]d[/SUP] the truth; your word is truth.18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. John

Your word, LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens. Psalm 119:18

prophecy is misunderstood by many. it is not actually all about visions and foretelling the future

if that were the case, why would Paul say that he wishes all would prophesy?

Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying. I Corinthians 14:5

he is speaking of FORTHTELLING...not foretelling...before anyone can speak for or on God's behalf, they need to know what He has to say...and that is found in the written word

the written word is the acid test...not experieince, nor angelic visitations or any other supernatural event, whether imagined or actual

when Jesus rebuked the devil during his fast in the wilderness, what did He use? did He claim all authority because He was the incarnated Son of God? did He argue with the devil?

He simply stated: IT IS WRITTEN

I would be of the mind to say that there are far less individuals who would be able to discern the source of a spirit by practice then those who think they can.

the devil cannot easily trick one who has made a practice of saying to him...it is written!!!

 

[LaurenTM]

as another thought on the above:

those who seek power, are in danger of receiving something that is not from God

seek God...He is the One who gives gifts...with good reason...He alone knows the heart

even so, people may start out right in their gifts or ministry, and receive praise from men and the gift becomes something they use to further that ministry.

with all the false prophecies and prophets (so called because they do not have any calling from God to do so) running around from church to church and all the failings of their prophecies to come through, you would think people would sit up and pay attention

itching ears that need a good scratching

David knew God in a sheep pasture...it's not about the fancy supernatural events

 

[Zmouth]

43 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest, and findeth none.
44 Then he saith, I will return into my house from whence I came out; and when he is come, he findeth it empty, swept, and garnished.
45 Then goeth he, and taketh with himself seven other spirits more wicked than himself, and they enter in and dwell there:

do i need to add more am i missing something????

Would the Holy Spirit give good gifts to the evil if they asked?

 

[Zmouth]

there is but ONE Holy Spirit


But, John sees seven Spirits, why is that?

Re 1:4 John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
Re 4:5 And out of the throne proceeded lightnings and thunderings and voices: and there were seven lamps of fire burning before the throne, which are the seven Spirits of God.
Re 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of Godsent forth into all the earth.
The Holy Spirit is one but has seven expressions or lamps


READ MORE HERE

Maybe because their are seven EMW's within visible white light.

 

[Blain]

the best way to overcome the counterfeit, is to become immersed in TRUTH

we do not find that in experience...truth is not experiential...therefore, we must look for truth where it actually exists

13“I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.14I have given them your word and the world has hated them, for they are not of the world any more than I am of the world.15My prayer is not that you take them out of the world but that you protect them from the evil one.16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it.17Sanctify them by[SUP]d[/SUP] the truth; your word is truth.18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world.19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified. John

Your word, LORD, is eternal; it stands firm in the heavens. Psalm 119:18

prophecy is misunderstood by many. it is not actually all about visions and foretelling the future

if that were the case, why would Paul say that he wishes all would prophesy?

Now I wish that you all spoke in tongues, but even more that you would prophesy; and greater is one who prophesies than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets, so that the church may receive edifying. I Corinthians 14:5

he is speaking of FORTHTELLING...not foretelling...before anyone can speak for or on God's behalf, they need to know what He has to say...and that is found in the written word

the written word is the acid test...not experieince, nor angelic visitations or any other supernatural event, whether imagined or actual

when Jesus rebuked the devil during his fast in the wilderness, what did He use? did He claim all authority because He was the incarnated Son of God? did He argue with the devil?

He simply stated: IT IS WRITTEN

I would be of the mind to say that there are far less individuals who would be able to discern the source of a spirit by practice then those who think they can.

the devil cannot easily trick one who has made a practice of saying to him...it is written!!!

I would have to disagree about the truth not being an experience, many came to Christ because of an experience they had some had actually encountered him others had a strange sense inside them that lead them to him even Paul who was mercilessly slaughtering Christians experienced Jesus appearing with a blinding light and because of this experience he became one God's most mightiest apostle and prophet.

I agree though that there is far more to prophecy than simply visions and dreams, one can have the gift of prophecy but that doesn't make one a prophet however if I were to describe a true prophet of God it would not be one who sees visions and prophetic dreams or is given an anointed word and prophecy to me a prophet is simply the lips and voice for God if one is a prophet I would think they are for encouraging and building his children his or her words are not to bring doom and gloom unless of course God asks this of them mainly if one has the gift of prophecy and is in fact an actual prophet his isn't to simply have visions and dreams but to encourage and uplift the church to bring them closer to god to speak the heart and love and nature of God.

if it comes to the gifts of the spirit it is true that one can begin good with it but become lead astray which is why we must always guard our hearts and constantly have our hearts eyes set upon Jesus alone

 

[Blain]

Maybe because their are seven EMW's within visible white light.

Bravo! I say bravo!

 

[LaurenTM]

Blain;2754691]I would have to disagree about the truth not being an experience, many came to Christ because of an experience they had some had actually encountered him others had a strange sense inside them that lead them to him even Paul who was mercilessly slaughtering Christians experienced Jesus appearing with a blinding light and because of this experience he became one God's most mightiest apostle and prophet.

that is not what I said Blain. I said you cannot determine truth by experience. I did not say an experience cannot be true or lead to truth. You appear to want to validate what you believe, but please do not do so by changing what I posted. Perhaps you did not understand, I don't know.

You cannot deny that you seem to go out of your way to both have and validate your experiences. Please note the difference in what you wrote and what I actually wrote. It's not a matter of whether you agree or not. We should not be following experiences. They are subjective many times.

I agree though that there is far more to prophecy than simply visions and dreams, one can have the gift of prophecy but that doesn't make one a prophet however if I were to describe a true prophet of God it would not be one who sees visions and prophetic dreams or is given an anointed word and prophecy to me a prophet is simply the lips and voice for God if one is a prophet I would think they are for encouraging and building his children his or her words are not to bring doom and gloom unless of course God asks this of them mainly if one has the gift of prophecy and is in fact an actual prophet his isn't to simply have visions and dreams but to encourage and uplift the church to bring them closer to god to speak the heart and love and nature of God.

if it comes to the gifts of the spirit it is true that one can begin good with it but become lead astray which is why we must always guard our hearts and constantly have our hearts eyes set upon Jesus alone

I think the Bible is the best place from which one should study the gift of prophecy.

 

[BenFTW]

Blain;2754691]I would have to disagree about the truth not being an experience, many came to Christ because of an experience they had some had actually encountered him others had a strange sense inside them that lead them to him even Paul who was mercilessly slaughtering Christians experienced Jesus appearing with a blinding light and because of this experience he became one God's most mightiest apostle and prophet.

that is not what I said Blain. I said you cannot determine truth by experience. I did not say an experience cannot be true or lead to truth. You appear to want to validate what you believe, but please do not do so by changing what I posted. Perhaps you did not understand, I don't know.

You cannot deny that you seem to go out of your way to both have and validate your experiences. Please note the difference in what you wrote and what I actually wrote. It's not a matter of whether you agree or not. We should not be following experiences. They are subjective many times.

I agree though that there is far more to prophecy than simply visions and dreams, one can have the gift of prophecy but that doesn't make one a prophet however if I were to describe a true prophet of God it would not be one who sees visions and prophetic dreams or is given an anointed word and prophecy to me a prophet is simply the lips and voice for God if one is a prophet I would think they are for encouraging and building his children his or her words are not to bring doom and gloom unless of course God asks this of them mainly if one has the gift of prophecy and is in fact an actual prophet his isn't to simply have visions and dreams but to encourage and uplift the church to bring them closer to god to speak the heart and love and nature of God.

if it comes to the gifts of the spirit it is true that one can begin good with it but become lead astray which is why we must always guard our hearts and constantly have our hearts eyes set upon Jesus alone

I think the Bible is the best place from which one should study the gift of prophecy.

Its neat that in the three temptations Jesus faced He quoted scripture but what I like about one of His quotes is where He states you shall not test the Lord your God. The cool thing about that verse is in reference to snake handling preachers.

They get bitten then die and people will mock the word of God, but as a matter of fact it confirms the word of God. They were testing God by intentionally messing with poisonous snakes, in comparison to Jesus not jumping so that angels could save Him. Notice that the Lord does protect a believer from a poisonous snake (the apostle Paul in Acts 28:5) but that was not something to test the Lord. The Lord just protected him.

Just felt like sharing. lol

 

[BenFTW]

as another thought on the above:

those who seek power, are in danger of receiving something that is not from God

seek God...He is the One who gives gifts...with good reason...He alone knows the heart

even so, people may start out right in their gifts or ministry, and receive praise from men and the gift becomes something they use to further that ministry.

with all the false prophecies and prophets (so called because they do not have any calling from God to do so) running around from church to church and all the failings of their prophecies to come through, you would think people would sit up and pay attention

itching ears that need a good scratching

David knew God in a sheep pasture...it's not about the fancy supernatural events

The fancy supernatural events point you to Him. They point to the Lord. They make you in awe of Him, to praise Him and His great majesty. Its like healing, it reveals the goodness of God. All these signs and wonders are meant to point you to the One who desires intimacy.

 

[Blain]

Blain;2754691]I would have to disagree about the truth not being an experience, many came to Christ because of an experience they had some had actually encountered him others had a strange sense inside them that lead them to him even Paul who was mercilessly slaughtering Christians experienced Jesus appearing with a blinding light and because of this experience he became one God's most mightiest apostle and prophet.

that is not what I said Blain. I said you cannot determine truth by experience. I did not say an experience cannot be true or lead to truth. You appear to want to validate what you believe, but please do not do so by changing what I posted. Perhaps you did not understand, I don't know.

You cannot deny that you seem to go out of your way to both have and validate your experiences. Please note the difference in what you wrote and what I actually wrote. It's not a matter of whether you agree or not. We should not be following experiences. They are subjective many times.

I agree though that there is far more to prophecy than simply visions and dreams, one can have the gift of prophecy but that doesn't make one a prophet however if I were to describe a true prophet of God it would not be one who sees visions and prophetic dreams or is given an anointed word and prophecy to me a prophet is simply the lips and voice for God if one is a prophet I would think they are for encouraging and building his children his or her words are not to bring doom and gloom unless of course God asks this of them mainly if one has the gift of prophecy and is in fact an actual prophet his isn't to simply have visions and dreams but to encourage and uplift the church to bring them closer to god to speak the heart and love and nature of God.

if it comes to the gifts of the spirit it is true that one can begin good with it but become lead astray which is why we must always guard our hearts and constantly have our hearts eyes set upon Jesus alone

I think the Bible is the best place from which one should study the gift of prophecy.

I apologize if I misunderstood you I don't always understand what people are saying. but as for validating any experience of mine I can assure you I have no need to validate them I don't see what purpose there is to prove any of my beliefs or experiences I speak of them yes but I don't require them to be proven.

 

[Ultimatum77]

yes indeed which is why we should only be looking to cast anything out of anyone that will come to Christ..
Cos we know thats the last thing any demon wants..

True, I've had people give me prophecies and tell me to fast for three days, only for my inner/gut feeling to tell me that the guy was a fraud and I guess it is the Holy Spirit telling me b/c whenever I get that feeling it's 100% confirmed so far everytime that the person turns out to be a fraud....

Discernment is so necessary in these evil times where charlatans come to you with buttery words and flattery which can deceive you if your guard is down...

 

[_nitro]

I'm linguistically picky

Yet, you can not say God but you must say G-d? Just wondering the background for this. I find it weird.

 

[Dude653]

God is supernatural so....yeah

 

[SpentNickle]

Oh no...it's really all around you. I hadn't believed before, however witnessin these things showed me to believe the unbelievable, and in the supernatural. So when I went to a church and the pastor said to think about what that cross means, for the first time I believed it is real. I just learned not to attempt to speak to deaf people, it only makes ME appear crazy, not the deaf person