So what about the fourth commandment?

[Dan_473]

Nope, I reject the misunderstanding of Paul's writings.
Paul kept the Sabbath and the dietary laws and the Feast Days of God!

very true! Paul said the Gospel is for the Jew first, then for the Greek.

19 For though I am free from all men, I have made myself a slave to all, so that I may win more. 20 To the Jews I became as a Jew, so that I might win Jews; to those who are under [h]the Law, as under the Law though not being myself under [j]the Law, so that I might win those who are under [k]the Law; 21 to those who are without law, as without law, though not being without the law of God but under the law of Christ, so that I might win those who are without law.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1 cor+9&version=nasb

 

[beta]

"We no longer serve the 'letter but the Spirit."

yes, that's it... and we fulfill the spirit of the law by loving our neighbor.

Just by speaking your own words you as good as put GOD in second place to neighbour. God gives the first 4 Commandments relating to HIMSELF....it is not only down to loving neighbour.
Loving GOD (for Himself) is the first command.

 

[Dan_473]

YES.....does it annoy you ? I will try and refrain from doing so in posts to you.

it doesn't annoy me, I just didn't know what it meant. First I thought it was an opening quotation mark, but there didn't seem to be a closing quotation mark.

do other people know what you mean? the way I've usually seen people emphasize words is to use bold or italics...

 

[Dan_473]

Just follow Jesus' example ! (does that explain ?)

we follow the spirit of Jesus' example, but sometimes specific activities we don't. For example, Jesus attended feasts at the temple.

Jesus was a Jew, born in the Old Covenant.

I'm a gentile, reborn in the New.

So, our activities will be different, but the spirit behind our ministries is the same (that's my goal).

 

[beta]

Did Moses make up the laws?

ALL the laws are God's word, there is no difference.

Didn't God personally give to Moses the laws for the priesthood and the sacrifices?

Laws for the tabernacle? Laws for circumcision?

The 10 commandments are shadows of Jesus,

The 7th day Sabbath rest, the circumcision of the flesh, the tabernacle/temple laws, diet laws, rituals, holy days,

All are shadows of Jesus.

They are all part of the old covenant, of the blood of sheep and goats,

If you want to keep part of it,

You must keep all of it.

Gal 5:4, "Christ is become of no effect unto you,

whosoever of you are justified by the law;

ye are fallen from grace."
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We know that all law comes from God, but some HE spoke HIMSELF (the 10 ) and the others only MOSES spoke to the people. You seem not able to understand that this makes a difference between laws. Speaking of the Sabbath and fleshly circumcision in the same breath shows your misunderstanding of law.

 

[Dan_473]

Why do you have to spoil what God says by adding your own opinion ?
Of course you have to earn a living, money for your own use.
You are not asked to assemble before God every day of the week.

Let's just stick to the Sabbath being holy....for a start....then we can move on.

I'm sad you see it as spoiling.

has God called you to get a job so that you can then buy food and clothes? then in doing that job you are doing God's work, the work that God has called you to do.

is someone working at a particular job so they can buy a vacation in Europe? I would suspect they are not working for God, but doing their own work.

There is no day of the week that Christians can do their own work.

"See the birds of the sky, that they don’t sow, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns. Your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you of much more value than they?"

 

[Dan_473]

Just by speaking your own words you as good as put GOD in second place to neighbour. God gives the first 4 Commandments relating to HIMSELF....it is not only down to loving neighbour.
Loving GOD (for Himself) is the first command.

loving God is the first command. Does the bible say that loving God fulfills all the other commandments?

 

[Dan_473]

We know that all law comes from God, but some HE spoke HIMSELF (the 10 ) and the others only MOSES spoke to the people. You seem not able to understand that this makes a difference between laws. Speaking of the Sabbath and fleshly circumcision in the same breath shows your misunderstanding of law.

I believe God spoke the law first, Moses then told the sons of Israel

Lev 1:1 Then the Lord called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev+1&version=nasb

 

[beta]

we follow the spirit of Jesus' example, but sometimes specific activities we don't. For example, Jesus attended feasts at the temple.

Jesus was a Jew, born in the Old Covenant.

I'm a gentile, reborn in the New.

So, our activities will be different, but the spirit behind our ministries is the same (that's my goal).

Jesus as a Jew had to be obedient to the law and his Parents as long as he was a MINOR.
But things changed when He became an independent man, when He started His ministry. And from that time on the established jewish religious leaders persecuted him.
We know from scripture that He always did those things that pleased His Father (God) and not because he was a Jew. SO - whether we are Jew or Gentile we should please GOD !
If God created the Sabbath for man then it applies to all men whoever you are.

 

[beta]

I believe God spoke the law first, Moses then told the sons of Israel

Lev 1:1 Then the Lord called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying, 2 “Speak to the sons of Israel and say to them,

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev+1&version=nasb

NO...God did not speak all the law to the people...only the 10 commandments Ex 20v1; Deut 5v22, and added no more !!! The reason ?
Ex20v19, the people refused to hear GOD anymore and demanded only Moses speak with them henceforth. SO from then on the law became known as Moses law...and we know it was abolished at the cross. That is how the 10 spiritual Commandments were mixed with the works of the law/ordinances and also abolished...by people who no longer hear God.

 

[beta]

I'm sad you see it as spoiling.

has God called you to get a job so that you can then buy food and clothes? then in doing that job you are doing God's work, the work that God has called you to do.

is someone working at a particular job so they can buy a vacation in Europe? I would suspect they are not working for God, but doing their own work.

There is no day of the week that Christians can do their own work.

"See the birds of the sky, that they don’t sow, neither do they reap, nor gather into barns. Your heavenly Father feeds them. Aren’t you of much more value than they?"

Ex 20v9 six days shall you labour and do all your work.
you are contradicting scripture !

 

[Dan_473]

Jesus as a Jew had to be obedient to the law and his Parents as long as he was a MINOR.
But things changed when He became an independent man, when He started His ministry. And from that time on the established jewish religious leaders persecuted him.
We know from scripture that He always did those things that pleased His Father (God) and not because he was a Jew. SO - whether we are Jew or Gentile we should please GOD !
If God created the Sabbath for man then it applies to all men whoever you are.

Jesus was obedient to the law and honored his parents his entire life on earth.

the sabbath, and the entire law, applies to everybody. how we fulfill it is different in the New Covenant.

 

[beta]

loving God is the first command. Does the bible say that loving God fulfills all the other commandments?

We know and love God when we keep and do His commandments 1Joh 2v4, 5v2,3. that means all the commandments, not only those ref to neighbour. God Himself is to be loved....first 4.

 

[Dan_473]

NO...God did not speak all the law to the people...only the 10 commandments Ex 20v1; Deut 5v22, and added no more !!! The reason ?
Ex20v19, the people refused to hear GOD anymore and demanded only Moses speak with them henceforth. SO from then on the law became known as Moses law...and we know it was abolished at the cross. That is how the 10 spiritual Commandments were mixed with the works of the law/ordinances and also abolished...by people who no longer hear God.

I agree that God didn't speak the entire law to the people.

But looks like he did speak the whole law, so I don't agree with this:

We know that all law comes from God, but some HE spoke HIMSELF (the 10 ) and the others only MOSES spoke to the people.

 

[Dan_473]

Ex 20v9 six days shall you labour and do all your work.
you are contradicting scripture !

The Israelites could work for themselves ("your work") six days a week.

as Christians, we don't have "our work", because our entire selves belong to God, we have been bought by God.

17 Whatever you do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks through Him to God the Father.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=col+3&version=nasb


no contradiction

 

[beta]

How does a person know if they are born of God?

Romans 8:14 Those who are led by the Spirit of God are children of God. 15 The Spirit you received doesn’t make you slaves. Otherwise you would live in fear again. Instead, the Holy Spirit you received made you God’s adopted child. By the Spirit’s power we call God Abba. Abba means Father. 16 The Spirit himself joins with our spirits. Together they tell us that we are God’s children.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=rom+8&version=nirv


Do you believe that a person is first born-again, then at a later time receives the Holy Spirit?

This could turn into a long discussion, but it's late and I must go to bed. Another time.

 

[beta]

I agree that God didn't speak the entire law to the people.

But looks like he did speak the whole law, so I don't agree with this:

You don't have to agree with me but scripture says that MOSES spoke to the people. Deut 5v27.

 

[Dan_473]

We know and love God when we keep and do His commandments 1Joh 2v4, 5v2,3. that means all the commandments, not only those ref to neighbour. God Himself is to be loved....first 4.

I think we're kind of getting tripped-up over words, here



when paul writes
14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

do you feel he is saying "the whole law is fulfilled when you keep the whole law"?

 

[disciplemike]

I think we're kind of getting tripped-up over words, here



when paul writes
14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

do you feel he is saying "the whole law is fulfilled when you keep the whole law"?

you didn't ask me, but here goes.
a person who (truly) loves their neighbor would be a saint.
This would mean they would make every effort to see that their neighbors are taken care of, even before their own needs.

Note: Lots of people may claim to love their neighbors (in spirit?), but how many actually carry it out by doing the deeds that support this claim?

Such a person would have to be led by the Spirit, and in full compliance.

 

[Dan_473]

You don't have to agree with me but scripture says that MOSES spoke to the people. Deut 5v27.

yes, Moses did speak to the people. God spoke to Moses, and told him what he was to repeat to the sons of Israel.

1 Then the Lord called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying,

“Speak to the sons of Israel

and say to them, ‘When any man of you...'

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev+1&version=nasb


so God spoke that law, and Moses repeated what God said.