So what about the fourth commandment?

[Dan_473]

anyway, like I was sayin',
I know this is deep into the thread,
but God's Sabbaths are important.

Modern xtianity has taught that you can worship God in a way that feels right to you.
This is not the case with Scripture.

studying God's Sabbaths is an important way to gain wisdom

also,
GALATIANS 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

 

[lv2ski]

right. Cain tried to do it in his own way.
not good.

I think I found the problem disciplemike. everytime that you write Christian , you x out the Christ part . Which is the problem with your interpretation witj the Bible.

You get God's favor (aka His grace ) when you surrender to Him at the foot of the cross .l you put on His0righteousness at that point. You put your ffaith in His finished work.

By the works of the law, no flesh will be justified. Flesh and blood will not enter the kingdom of heaven .

The ceremonial Law of Moses was about making covering for a person. Jesus did that at the cross, thereby fulfilling the Law. Rest in that, no t your own works.

 

[beta]

Sometimes people will build up harmful structures in their minds, thought patterns. These patterns usually have one or more irrational parts. My goal is that in discussing together, they will see the problems with their structures as they try to explain their thoughts to another person.

Usually what we accuse others of we are guilty ourselves ! Don't think this only works one way !

 

[beta]

studying God's Sabbaths is an important way to gain wisdom

also,
GALATIANS 5:18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.

Not under the law of 'works' which were abolished Eph 2v15, but under the 'Spiritual commandments of God' which are eternal.

 

[TMS]

I think I found the problem disciplemike. everytime that you write Christian , you x out the Christ part . Which is the problem with your interpretation witj the Bible.

You get God's favor (aka His grace ) when you surrender to Him at the foot of the cross .l you put on His0righteousness at that point. You put your ffaith in His finished work.

By the works of the law, no flesh will be justified. Flesh and blood will not enter the kingdom of heaven .

The ceremonial Law of Moses was about making covering for a person. Jesus did that at the cross, thereby fulfilling the Law. Rest in that, no t your own works.

Do we then make void the law through grace??? You are right it isn't by works, it is 100% faith in Jesus Christ, but faith without works is dead.
We can't work to earn salvation we work because we have salvation.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

 

[lv2ski]

Do we then make void the law through grace??? You are right it isn't by works, it is 100% faith in Jesus Christ, but faith without works is dead.
We can't work to earn salvation we work because we have salvation.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

What are you talking about? That isn't at all what I am saying. The guy that I am responding to is all about the Law. He like so many believe (mistakenly) that the Law and the commandments are the same. But the good works that were saved to do (ephesians 2:10) aren't the works of the law.

 

[disciplemike]

I think Eve decided she was not under the law also.
She was already in paradise, and as far as I know, she already possessed an endless life.
until, she decided God's instructions shouldn't apply to her.
Eve decided she wanted to choose what was good or evil for herself.

 

[Dan_473]

Usually what we accuse others of we are guilty ourselves ! Don't think this only works one way !

exactly! and I love it when people stay engaged, so that at least one of us can come away a different person.

 

[Dan_473]

Not under the law of 'works' which were abolished Eph 2v15, but under the 'Spiritual commandments of God' which are eternal.

well, before I talk about that, did you want to respond to the following? did you respond and I missed it?

yes, Moses did speak to the people. God spoke to Moses, and told him what he was to repeat to the sons of Israel.

1 Then the Lord called to Moses and spoke to him from the tent of meeting, saying,

“Speak to the sons of Israel

and say to them, ‘When any man of you...'

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=lev+1&version=nasb


so God spoke that law, and Moses repeated what God said.

 

[Dan_473]

I think Eve decided she was not under the law also.
She was already in paradise, and as far as I know, she already possessed an endless life.
until, she decided God's instructions shouldn't apply to her.
Eve decided she wanted to choose what was good or evil for herself.

Right! it's only those who are led by the Spirit who aren't under law.

 

[beta]

well, before I talk about that, did you want to respond to the following? did you respond and I missed it?

No, I did not see that post.....but what is there to say ? we are not discussing Offerings... and anyway they are not required now.

 

[lv2ski]

Do we then make void the law through grace??? You are right it isn't by works, it is 100% faith in Jesus Christ, but faith without works is dead.
We can't work to earn salvation we work because we have salvation.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

Dude, your reply sounds Mormon. I live in a predominantly Mormon area. That is exactly how they reply to God's grace. You cannot properly perform the righteous acts that God has created you for without knowing in your heart, life and experience just what a great thing He did for and gave to you.

 

[disciplemike]

Right! it's only those who are led by the Spirit who aren't under law.

if you are led by the Spirit, you won't need a law written in stone, because it will be written on your heart and mind.

 

[Dan_473]

No, I did not see that post.....but what is there to say ? we are not discussing Offerings... and anyway they are not required now.

I believe you had said that God spoke only the Ten Commandments, not the rest of the law, only Moses spoke that.

I took that to mean that the ten were different from the rest of the law... yes?

 

[Dan_473]

Also, beta, did want to respond to this post?

I think we're kind of getting tripped-up over words, here



when paul writes
14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, in this: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”

do you feel he is saying "the whole law is fulfilled when you keep the whole law"?

 

[Dan_473]

if you are led by the Spirit, you won't need a law written in stone, because it will be written on your heart and mind.

Totally agree!

 

[beta]

I believe you had said that God spoke only the Ten Commandments, not the rest of the law, only Moses spoke that.

I took that to mean that the ten were different from the rest of the law... yes?

Dan, I have said that so many times and given scripture.....
GOD PERSONALLY spoke the 10 Com to all the people before giving even more' 'Com contained in ordinances/work-based' through Moses . They had heard the Com before Moses was asked to repeat them....therefore they were GOD-given, but the people refused to hear God again Ex 20v18,19, Deut 5. GOD only spoke the 10 to the people and GOD added no more v22, which makes the 10 Com separate from the statutes/judgements/ordinances which came through Moses and were abolished on the cross.Eph 2v15.
So yes the 10 Com are spiritual, eternal, holy just and good and are a directive HOW to love God and neighbour and practiced for all time.

 

[beta]

Also, beta, did want to respond to this post?

Paul could only have been ref to the 10 Com as the whole law because they were indeed a separate law directly/personally given by God Deut 5v22 and not included in the works of ordinances which were abolished.

 

[Dan_473]

Dan, I have said that so many times and given scripture.....
GOD PERSONALLY spoke the 10 Com to all the people before giving even more' 'Com contained in ordinances/work-based' through Moses . They had heard the Com before Moses was asked to repeat them....therefore they were GOD-given, but the people refused to hear God again Ex 20v18,19, Deut 5. GOD only spoke the 10 to the people and GOD added no more v22, which makes the 10 Com separate from the statutes/judgements/ordinances which came through Moses and were abolished on the cross.Eph 2v15.
So yes the 10 Com are spiritual, eternal, holy just and good and are a directive HOW to love God and neighbour and practiced for all time.

thanks for explaining! So God spoke the ten directly to the people, the others God spoke to Moses, who then spoke to the people.



Paul here lists several of the ten here
9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
and says that love fulfills them. So, to me, it's clear that Love you Neighbor fulfills the ten.

 

[disciplemike]

thanks for explaining! So God spoke the ten directly to the people, the others God spoke to Moses, who then spoke to the people.



Paul here lists several of the ten here
9 The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,”[a] and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
and says that love fulfills them. So, to me, it's clear that Love you Neighbor fulfills the ten.

not according to the Messiah.
I think what Paul meant, loving your neighbor is like keeping all the commandments that deal with people.
But there is a great commandment before that,...

Master, which [is] the great commandment in the law? Yeshua said unto him, Thou shalt love YHVH your God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
Matthew 22:36-37 (KJV, MBM)