So what about the fourth commandment?

[lv2ski]

I've prayed for you disciplemike, here is what I believe God's word is to you:

1)read the gospels straight thru in one shot . There's only 89 chapters, at3 a day, you can do it in one month.
2)in the evening start reading from Acts thru revelation. Do this two times at least.
3)do not read the old testament AT ALL
4)Do not read ANY commentaries, magazines, devotionals, etc...just solely the new testament.
5)when you pray , listen for God's voice more than you are talking , supplicating, or giving thanks.
6)worship Him in song only with that music that praises / proclaims who He is and what He's done.
7)Take communion faithfully. And truly remember what Jesus has done for you.

God will heal you of the false teaching in your mind. There is no way that what you believe can stand after all that. Thats how you will Know Its false. Our God is a consuming fire, His Word will reveal the truth and the lie.

By October, if not the holiday season, you wont hold to all that law, feasts and appointed day positions.

Remember, nothing but Bible for at least one or two months . You must get this ! I will continue to pray for you.

You are called to be Jesus' disciple, not Moses'

 

[disciplemike]

Seven times a day I praise you for your righteous rules.
Great peace have those who love your law;

nothing can make them stumble.

I hope for your salvation, O YHVH,
and I do your commandments.
Psalms 119:164-166 (ESV2011, MBM)

 

[beta]

Gal 5:4,

"Christ is become of no effect unto you,

whosoever of you are justified by the law;

ye are fallen from grace."

Which law would you be referring to ? there were many laws in the OT and some of them were abolished. When was the Sabbath abolished ? when was stealing and lying abolished ?

 

[DP]

I enjoy a good debate where ideas are bantered about. That's how we learn from one another. What I DON'T like is people putting words into my mouth. I NEVER said we have to keep the Jewish way of keeping time for the Sabbath (Fri sundown to Sat sundown). Not once.

Secondly, I wish folks would stop lumping the Law in with the Ten Commandments. I've clearly shown multiple times that the two are not the same thing. Don't confuse the issue. This thread is about THE FORTH COMMANDMENT. Not the Law. Not ceremonial trappings. Not dietary rules - the SABBATH.

Then you ought to be fine with treating Sunday worship as God's sabbath, since that traditionally is when Christians first met to worship together, i.e., on Sundays.

 

[beta]

Then you ought to be fine with treating Sunday worship as God's sabbath, since that traditionally is when Christians first met to worship together, i.e., on Sundays.

When they met on the first day of the week - or other weekdays - it was 'to break bread....have a meal !
Official worship was strictly on the Sabbath, the Day God appointed them to assemble before Him Lev 23.

 

[disciplemike]

Then you ought to be fine with treating Sunday worship as God's sabbath, since that traditionally is when Christians first met to worship together, i.e., on Sundays.

no, they didn't meet on Sun-day.
We have been taught that, but doesn't make it true.

 

[DP]

no, they didn't meet on Sun-day.
We have been taught that, but doesn't make it true.

Sorry, you're just not going to have 'your' way with trying to change God's Word per the NT writers...

Acts 20:7
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
KJV

1 Cor 16:2
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
KJV

John 20:19
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV

 

[disciplemike]

Sorry, you're just not going to have 'your' way with trying to change God's Word per the NT writers...

Acts 20:7
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
KJV

1 Cor 16:2
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
KJV

John 20:19
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV

good morning, reply coming.

 

[DP]

When they met on the first day of the week - or other weekdays - it was 'to break bread....have a meal !
Official worship was strictly on the Sabbath, the Day God appointed them to assemble before Him Lev 23.

No, that's false. They worshiped Christ on the first day of the week, because of the unbelieving Jews. There was no recognition of Jesus of Nazareth in the synagogues on the Jew's sabbath.

 

[disciplemike]

Sorry, you're just not going to have 'your' way with trying to change God's Word per the NT writers...

Acts 20:7
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
KJV

1 Cor 16:2
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
KJV

John 20:19
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV

If you will look carefully at your KJV, in each of those verses, the word "day" is in italics.
This is the translators way of letting you know that the word "day" was not in the original Greek, but they supplied the word.
Let me know if you see that and I will tell you why the word "day" is not there.

 

[DP]

If you will look carefully at your KJV, in each of those verses, the word "day" is in italics.
This is the translators way of letting you know that the word "day" was not in the original Greek, but they supplied the word.
Let me know if you see that and I will tell you why the word "day" is not there.

The word 'sabbatoon' for "week" was also used to represent the interval space of a 'week', and did not always mean the Friday sunset-Saturday sunset sabbath the Jews held to.

John 20:1
20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
KJV

Jesus did not rise on the sabbath.

 

[disciplemike]

The word 'sabbatoon' for "week" was also used to represent the interval space of a 'week', and did not always mean the Friday sunset-Saturday sunset sabbath the Jews held to.

okay, I am glad you see that "sabbaton" means "week".
now what does the word "mia" mean? (it is the Greek word translated as "first" in those verses)

 

[DP]

Acts 20:7
Week sabbatoon (NT:4521),)]. The plural used for the singular, in imitation of the Hebrew form. The noun "Sabbath" is often used after numerals in the signification of "a week." See Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2; John 20:19.
(from Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)

 

[disciplemike]

Acts 20:7
Week sabbatoon (NT:4521),)]. The plural used for the singular, in imitation of the Hebrew form. The noun "Sabbath" is often used after numerals in the signification of "a week." See Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2; John 20:19.
(from Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)

excellent resource!
now, again, the Greek word "mia" in those verses, translated as "first", do you agree it means first?
It is sometimes translates as "first" or "one".

 

[disciplemike]

Keep in mind, in the KJV, the Greek word for day, (hay-mer-ah), is translated as "day" 196 times in the New Testament.
However, the Greek word for "day" is not in the three verses you listed as proof text.
Ask yourself why.

 

[DP]

excellent resource!
now, again, the Greek word "mia" in those verses, translated as "first", do you agree it means first?
It is sometimes translates as "first" or "one".

John 20:1
20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
KJV

Well, while you're trying to prove that "first day of the week" phrase is false from the NT Greek, you've missed this important marker of when Mary found the tomb open and the body of our Lord missing, meaning He had risen.

Three days and three nights Jesus said He would be in the tomb, and that means He had to have risen on Sunday, the first day of the week, and not on the traditional Friday sunset - Saturday sunset sabbath.

 

[disciplemike]

John 20:1
20:1 The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
KJV

Well, while you're trying to prove that "first day of the week" phrase is false from the NT Greek, you've missed this important marker of when Mary found the tomb open and the body of our Lord missing, meaning He had risen.

Three days and three nights Jesus said He would be in the tomb, and that means He had to have risen on Sunday, the first day of the week, and not on the traditional Friday sunset - Saturday sunset sabbath.

sorry, but wrong again.
He rose on Saturday evening, at sunset.
He was in the tomb EXACTLY three days and three nights, just like He foretold.

 

[DP]

Keep in mind, in the KJV, the Greek word for day, (hay-mer-ah), is translated as "day" 196 times in the New Testament.
However, the Greek word for "day" is not in the three verses you listed as proof text.
Ask yourself why.

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

First tee (NT:3588) mia (NT:3391). Literally, "the one day." The cardinal numeral here used for the ordinal.

Week sabbatoon (NT:4521),)]. The plural used for the singular, in imitation of the Hebrew form. The noun "Sabbath" is often used after numerals in the signification of "a week." See Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2; John 20:19.

To break bread. The celebration of the eucharist, coupled with the Agape, or love-feast.
(from Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)

 

[disciplemike]

Acts 20:7
And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

First tee (NT:3588) mia (NT:3391). Literally, "the one day." The cardinal numeral here used for the ordinal.

Week sabbatoon (NT:4521),)]. The plural used for the singular, in imitation of the Hebrew form. The noun "Sabbath" is often used after numerals in the signification of "a week." See Matt 28:1; Mark 16:2; John 20:19.

To break bread. The celebration of the eucharist, coupled with the Agape, or love-feast.
(from Vincent's Word Studies of the New Testament, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 1997 by Biblesoft)

okay, remember, the word "day" is not there in the Greek.

 

[DP]

sorry, but wrong again.
He rose on Saturday evening, at sunset.
He was in the tomb EXACTLY three days and three nights, just like He foretold.

His body was buried Wednesday at sundown, starting the first night.

Wednesday sunset to morning was 1st night.
Wednesday morning to Thursday sunset was 1st day.
Thursday sunset to morning was 2nd night.
Thursday morning to Friday sunset was 2nd day.
Friday sunset to morning was 3rd night.
Friday morning TO SATURDAY SUNSET was 3rd day.
END OF PERIOD OF 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS.

Jesus rose AFTER Saturday sunset, which at sunset Sunday began.

To say He rose at any time before... Saturday sunset is to say He rose before the full 3 days and 3 nights period was completed.