So what about the fourth commandment?

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His body was buried Wednesday at sundown, starting the first night.

Wednesday sunset to morning was 1st night.
Wednesday morning to Thursday sunset was 1st day.
Thursday sunset to morning was 2nd night.
Thursday morning to Friday sunset was 2nd day.
Friday sunset to morning was 3rd night.
Friday morning TO SATURDAY SUNSET was 3rd day.
END OF PERIOD OF 3 DAYS AND 3 NIGHTS.

Jesus rose AFTER Saturday sunset, which at sunset Sunday began.

To say He rose at any time before... Saturday sunset is to say He rose before the full 3 days and 3 nights period was completed.
agreed. Saturday at sunset.
Does your congregation meet Saturday at sunset?
Is "easter" celebrated on Saturday at sunset?
 

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Mark 16:1-4
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And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
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That also reveals that is was on Sunday, the first day of the week, when they came to His tomb.
 

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agreed. Saturday at sunset.
Does your congregation meet Saturday at sunset?
Is "easter" celebrated on Saturday at sunset?
No, after... Saturday sunset.

If Jesus had risen even one minute before sunset Saturday, then the full period of 3 days and 3 nights would not have been completed. Per His Own prophecy of the 3 days and 3 nights, He could only have risen on Sunday after sunset Saturday.
 
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Mark 16:1-4
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And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
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That also reveals that is was on Sunday, the first day of the week, when they came to His tomb.
yes sir, that is what the text says.
They were actually there while it was still dark.
But Yeshua had been out of the tomb for almost 12 hours.
Still, we need to get back to why your 3 verses you used as proof text (for Sun-day worship) don't have the word "day".
Why do you think that is?
 
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No, after... Saturday sunset.

If Jesus had risen even one minute before sunset Saturday, then the full period of 3 days and 3 nights would not have been completed. Per His Own prophecy of the 3 days and 3 nights, He could only have risen on Sunday after sunset Saturday.
can you answer the two questions.
I am not trying to argue with you, but hope you can see why the adversary wants us to gather on Sun-day and not the real Sabbath.
Why did he trick us with pagan xmas and pagan easter and take us away from God's very own Holy Days?
Why does he not want us to use the real name of God, or the real name of His Son, but tricked us with fake names?
 

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Sorry, you're just not going to have 'your' way with trying to change God's Word per the NT writers...

Acts 20:7
7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.
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1 Cor 16:2
2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come.
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John 20:19
19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
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NONE of these scriptures say what people THINK they say.
Acts 20v7
the disciples came together to break bread....EAT a meal, v11 when Paul returned to the table and broken bread and eaten and talked a long while until morning, then departed. It was a 'social gathering AFTER the official Sabbath.
1Cor 16v2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him 'in store that there be no GATHERING when I come, ref to 'field/garden produce - not money. Paul was to send men incl himself if necessary to take this harvested Produce to the starving Saints (famine) in Jerusalem. It would not take 3 men to take a purse of money....which could have been 'collected at Sabbath-service.
Joh 20v19
The first day of the week was not the first time Jesus saw his disciples after he was risen. Study the scriptures !
 

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No, that's false. They worshiped Christ on the first day of the week, because of the unbelieving Jews. There was no recognition of Jesus of Nazareth in the synagogues on the Jew's sabbath.
Obviously christians did NOT stick to scripture but paid more attention to what the Jews were doing !
What was to stop them starting their own SABBATH service ??? Their hatred of Jews got the better of them so they set up with help from UNgodly men their own sunday-worship day. They certainly were not inspired by God but 'selfwill and hatred ! still in evidence today !
 

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No, after... Saturday sunset.

If Jesus had risen even one minute before sunset Saturday, then the full period of 3 days and 3 nights would not have been completed. Per His Own prophecy of the 3 days and 3 nights, He could only have risen on Sunday after sunset Saturday.
Let's stay with scripture !
Jesus was buried BEFORE sunset Wed and was risen before sunset Sat...completing His own prophecy Mat 12v40, Lk 23v52-54, the Sabbath drew on....it was not yet sundown.
 

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Mark 16:1-4
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And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.

2 And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun.

3 And they said among themselves, Who shall roll us away the stone from the door of the sepulchre?

4 And when they looked, they saw that the stone was rolled away: for it was very great.
KJV

That also reveals that is was on Sunday, the first day of the week, when they came to His tomb.

Do you realize there are other Sabbaths beside the weekly ones ? esp around the time of Passover ?

true, on sunday the women went to the tomb, on sunday Jesus was seen....but none of these tell us when He had risen, which OBVIOUSLY must have been BEFORE He was seen or found gone from the tomb Mk 16 and would be the 'exact time of His resurrection !
 

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Tonight when you say your prayers, you be sure and explain that to God now, okay?
Because He is the One saying it is His Holy Day.
It's impossible for everyone to take a day of rest on Saturday, or any specific day on the same day. There's thing called life where things happens that are out of our control. I mean, you yourself have even posted on here on a Saturday. Or have gone to get some gas or buy some food on a Sabbath. Those things equate to people working, which you are supporting. In turn, according to your logic, you're supporting sin.
 
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What I see here is that the 'emphasis is really on YOU/ME and not your neighbour....

HOW do you love yourself ? If your own standing is not right how can you do right by/to your neighbour ?
that's interesting... I see it as a "both"... in whatever way you love yourself, love your neighbor that way also.

for me, I love myself by not hurting myself, and always trying to do what's best for myself.
 

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It's impossible for everyone to take a day of rest on Saturday, or any specific day on the same day. There's thing called life where things happens that are out of our control. I mean, you yourself have even posted on here on a Saturday. Or have gone to get some gas or buy some food on a Sabbath. Those things equate to people working, which you are supporting. In turn, according to your logic, you're supporting sin.
It is very difficult in 'this day and age to keep the Sabbath as we should because the way Society has developed over hundreds/thousands of years IGNORING/REJECTING GOD's Holy Day ! All systems are geared for Weekend pleasure, esp the Sabbath.
However---it is still possible to 'agree with God in Spirit' and have our faults forgiven when we fall short Joh 4v23,24. And also we can do many 'good works on the Sabbath !
What God is against is man's 'downright/deliberate rejection of HIS holy Days.
 

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that's interesting... I see it as a "both"... in whatever way you love yourself, love your neighbor that way also.

for me, I love myself by not hurting myself, and always trying to do what's best for myself.
Well, that's one way of loving - pleasing yourself.
The other side would be to 'love God because of what He has done and is still doing for us. to show that love is to keep all the 10 Commandments...not only some.
 
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sorry, but wrong again.
He rose on Saturday evening, at sunset.

He arose with a new temporal incorruptible body on Sunday, the dawning of the new age as a era of Sabbaths (plural) the first day of the week to represent the new creation.

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

Remember, the word day is not there in the Greek as well as the word week .

For some reason the paraphrasers changed the plural form of Sabbaths into the word week .

First, the Jews of antiquity had no names for the days of the week or did they use the word week ., except for the sixth and seventh days. The seventh day, of course, was called the Sabbath (shabbat or sabbaton in Hebrew and Greek, respectively).

A better paraphrase I believe would have been and upon the order of dawning or the first of the new era of Sabbaths, when the disciples came together to break bread. The word Sabbath is plural.

Christ in respect to the promise came to fulfil the shadows of the ceremonial laws the pointed back to the rest we do have from the standpoint of creation. This is when Christ in God performed the work when he was working.. It in Acts 20 was the time of reformation/restoration. The new orders anticipated the literal rest we will receive in the new heavens and earth. Then there will be no dying .The former things of here will not be remembered or ever come to mind forever and ever.

"The words are “heart of the earth” and not "tomb" even though the tomb was part of it. Heart of the earth represents an invisible affliction of suffering in His Spirit. Knowing God who is eternal Spirit cannot die. He uses an example of Jonah who was alive suffering as a tribulation the Spirit of God named hell .Belly of hell represent the suffering of one living. The tomb those dead.

Jon 2:2 And said, I cried by reason of mine affliction unto the LORD, and he heard me; out of the belly of hell cried I, and thou heardest my voice.

Mat 12:40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the “heart of the earth”.

God uses the word three to indicate the end of a matter. The tribulation as an invisible affliction began in the garden as the Son of man cried out His Spirit not seen, as if it was blood take away the wrath that was intended for the believer.. And out of that tribulation of crying to the father... take the cup of suffering from the Son of man, the father replied and sent him messengers to strengthen Jesus.

The literal tomb came into play after Christ willfully of his own according gave up the Spirit then it became part of the phrase” heart of the earth”. Hell simply means suffering as a tribulation not a literal location but rather a work of faith.
 
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Well, that's one way of loving - pleasing yourself.
The other side would be to 'love God because of what He has done and is still doing for us. to show that love is to keep all the 10 Commandments...not only some.
well... that would be Love your neighbor as you love God... but that's not what the verse says...
 

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NONE of these scriptures say what people THINK they say.
Acts 20v7
the disciples came together to break bread....EAT a meal, v11 when Paul returned to the table and broken bread and eaten and talked a long while until morning, then departed. It was a 'social gathering AFTER the official Sabbath.
1Cor 16v2
Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him 'in store that there be no GATHERING when I come, ref to 'field/garden produce - not money. Paul was to send men incl himself if necessary to take this harvested Produce to the starving Saints (famine) in Jerusalem. It would not take 3 men to take a purse of money....which could have been 'collected at Sabbath-service.
Joh 20v19
The first day of the week was not the first time Jesus saw his disciples after he was risen. Study the scriptures !
The first day of the week (Sunday) is when they met, and when Paul (with others) came to pick up their alms givings. They met on that day because it was forbidden on the sabbath to do work, so yes... they still honored the sabbath the orthodox Jews kept. But Sunday became the day of coming together for the disciples to worship Christ, and that is where and when the Sunday worship tradition started. It did not start in Rome, nor was it determined by Rome.
 

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It is very difficult in 'this day and age to keep the Sabbath as we should because the way Society has developed over hundreds/thousands of years IGNORING/REJECTING GOD's Holy Day ! All systems are geared for Weekend pleasure, esp the Sabbath.
However---it is still possible to 'agree with God in Spirit' and have our faults forgiven when we fall short Joh 4v23,24. And also we can do many 'good works on the Sabbath !
What God is against is man's 'downright/deliberate rejection of HIS holy Days.
Like I said... We live in this thing called life. Stuff happens. Something like being all out of diapers for a baby. Something like a crime. Something like a tropical storm. Is a parent really supposed to say to his/her spouse "Sorry, honey, but today is the Sabbath. The baby's just going to have to try and not go in the diaper." If someone is injured is the person not supposed to call 911 because it's the Sabbath? And finally, most of Florida is in a state of emergency due to the tropical storm. If it were a Saturday and the storm was hitting on a Sunday and I had no supplies to protect my house, am I supposed to just say "Well, golly. I know I should prepare for this storm, that just happened to take a redirection and I haven't had time to do so earlier in the week, but with it being the Sabbath I guess I should just risk my home being taken a part." There's a reason why I don't follow legalism. Jesus put it on the cross. If you like being all legalistic go right ahead, but don't try to condemn others for not following your traditions. That's very Pharisee like. I'll take common sense every day of the week, something that God gave us, by the way.
 
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Like I said... We live in this thing called life. Stuff happens. Something like being all out of diapers for a baby. Something like a crime. Something like a tropical storm. Is a parent really supposed to say to his/her spouse "Sorry, honey, but today is the Sabbath. The baby's just going to have to try and not go in the diaper." If someone is injured is the person not supposed to call 911 because it's the Sabbath? And finally, most of Florida is in a state of emergency due to the tropical storm. If it were a Saturday and the storm was hitting on a Sunday and I had no supplies to protect my house, am I supposed to just say "Well, golly. I know I should prepare for this storm, that just happened to take a redirection and I haven't had time to do so earlier in the week, but with it being the Sabbath I guess I should just risk my home being taken a part." There's a reason why I don't follow legalism. Jesus put it on the cross. If you like being all legalistic go right ahead, but don't try to condemn others for not following your traditions. That's very Pharisee like. I'll take common sense every day of the week, something that God gave us, by the way.
And what exactly did I say that got your back up ? or you did not read my post in the Spirit it was given !
And now I will say something you won't like : we are not to lean on our own understanding- so forget your opinions !
 

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And what exactly did I say that got your back up ? or you did not read my post in the Spirit it was given !
And now I will say something you won't like : we are not to lean on our own understanding- so forget your opinions !
If God didn't want us to use common sense He wouldn't have given it to us.
 
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It is very difficult in 'this day and age to keep the Sabbath as we should because the way Society has developed over hundreds/thousands of years IGNORING/REJECTING GOD's Holy Day ! All systems are geared for Weekend pleasure, esp the Sabbath.
However---it is still possible to 'agree with God in Spirit' and have our faults forgiven when we fall short Joh 4v23,24. And also we can do many 'good works on the Sabbath !
What God is against is man's 'downright/deliberate rejection of HIS holy Days.
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it. - Mt 7:14