So what about the fourth commandment?
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Havent you read Gal.3?
GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus
Before faith came to each and everyone of us, we are under the law {the 10 commandments, the schoolmaster}. So, according to this scripture you are kept under the law of the 10 commandments (the schoolmaster) until you are justified by faith in Christ. No shortcuts. Have you ever kept His 10 commandments. His sabbath? Gal.3 says you must in order to find faith. Yikes! Its simple english. After we have been brought to faith in Christ, do we then make void the law or are we to still be keeping Gods law?
ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.
GALATIANS 3 [23] But BEFORE FAITH CAME, WE WERE KEPT UNDER THE LAW, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [24] WHEREFORE THE LAW WAS OUR SCHOOLMASTER TO BRING US UNTO CHRIST, THAT WE MIGHT BE JUSTIFIED BY FAITH. [25] But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. [26] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus
Before faith came to each and everyone of us, we are under the law {the 10 commandments, the schoolmaster}. So, according to this scripture you are kept under the law of the 10 commandments (the schoolmaster) until you are justified by faith in Christ. No shortcuts. Have you ever kept His 10 commandments. His sabbath? Gal.3 says you must in order to find faith. Yikes! Its simple english. After we have been brought to faith in Christ, do we then make void the law or are we to still be keeping Gods law?
ROMANS 3 [30] Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith. [31] DO WE THEN MAKE VOID THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: yea, we establish the law.
Have you ever read that the Law is NOT of faith and the righteous shall live by faith? You must live by the Law if you want to be righteous - no one has ever done that but Christ.
( the Law is a lot more then your ten commandments - it's all or nothing. James says if you break one law - you are guilty of it all )
Galatians 3:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
No one is "justified" by the works of the Law but you have to "know" this before the other truth can sink in - which it is all about what Christ has already done for us in the New Covenant.
The Old Covenant is now obsolete for the real Christian and the Christian is dead to the Law no matter how much others want to live by it.
Galatians 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Real Christians establish the Law by walking by faith as Christ Himself fulfilled the whole Law and we are in Him. We live by His life in us now. We can trust the Holy Spirit.
For all those that are led by the Holy Spirit are the children of God. Rom. 8:14 ( it doesn't say "All those that follow the Law are the children of God )
We live in the New Covenant - built upon better promises and of which the blood of Jesus speaks of better things.
( the Law is a lot more then your ten commandments - it's all or nothing. James says if you break one law - you are guilty of it all )
Galatians 3:11-12 (NASB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "THE RIGHTEOUS MAN SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
[SUP]12 [/SUP] However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, "HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM."
No one is "justified" by the works of the Law but you have to "know" this before the other truth can sink in - which it is all about what Christ has already done for us in the New Covenant.
The Old Covenant is now obsolete for the real Christian and the Christian is dead to the Law no matter how much others want to live by it.
Galatians 2:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Real Christians establish the Law by walking by faith as Christ Himself fulfilled the whole Law and we are in Him. We live by His life in us now. We can trust the Holy Spirit.
For all those that are led by the Holy Spirit are the children of God. Rom. 8:14 ( it doesn't say "All those that follow the Law are the children of God )
We live in the New Covenant - built upon better promises and of which the blood of Jesus speaks of better things.
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Grace777x70 says "The Old Covenant is now obsolete for the real Christian and the Christian is dead to the Law no matter how much others want to live by it".
Is this what some of you meant by posters claiming to be superior to others and that it was "their way or the highway"? If so, I now understand what you meant.
Is this what some of you meant by posters claiming to be superior to others and that it was "their way or the highway"? If so, I now understand what you meant.
Anyway, enough has been said to warn the saints from the Judaizers that try to get believers in Christ to desert their Lord for going back to the Law. Gal. 1:6
I am out of this thread and I trust the Holy Spirit in the believers that are open to Him to reveal Christ to them and His finished work on the cross and resurrection. We proclaim Him!
The saints will not commit spiritual adultery to go back to the Law for living as they have died to the Law SO THAT they could be joined to Another - Christ Himself. He is more then enough. His life in us is all we need to walk in Him.
Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
I am out of this thread and I trust the Holy Spirit in the believers that are open to Him to reveal Christ to them and His finished work on the cross and resurrection. We proclaim Him!
The saints will not commit spiritual adultery to go back to the Law for living as they have died to the Law SO THAT they could be joined to Another - Christ Himself. He is more then enough. His life in us is all we need to walk in Him.
Colossians 2:6-8 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] having been firmly rooted and now being built up in Him and established in your faith, just as you were instructed, and overflowing with gratitude.
[SUP]8 [/SUP] See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ.
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The real Christian is the one that is free from the Law, that has died to the Law and is released from the Law and that is NOT under the Law but under grace - all things that Paul expounded upon time and time again for the believer in Christ.
I have no idea who is a real Christian or not. That's the Lord's department. The angels will gather the tares from the wheat at the end of time.
Your attempts to try to disparage what I have been saying by trying to make me "look superior" will not work. I am out of this thread as it is done and we are just rehashing old things over and over again which is not profitable for anyone.
Have a great rest of your night! Bless you!
I have no idea who is a real Christian or not. That's the Lord's department. The angels will gather the tares from the wheat at the end of time.
Your attempts to try to disparage what I have been saying by trying to make me "look superior" will not work. I am out of this thread as it is done and we are just rehashing old things over and over again which is not profitable for anyone.
Have a great rest of your night! Bless you!
The Saints never left the law
Revelation 14:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Revelation 14:11-12 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Maybe this will help
ISAIAH 5 [24] Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and THE FLAME CONSUMETH THE CHAFF, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: BECAUSE THEY HAVE CAST AWAY THE LAW OF THE LORD OF HOSTS, and despised the word of THE HOLY ONE of Israel.
Theres the people Jesus {the Holy One} will burn. Those who believe they can cast away His law. The chaff=tares
ISAIAH 5 [24] Therefore as the fire devoureth the stubble, and THE FLAME CONSUMETH THE CHAFF, so their root shall be as rottenness, and their blossom shall go up as dust: BECAUSE THEY HAVE CAST AWAY THE LAW OF THE LORD OF HOSTS, and despised the word of THE HOLY ONE of Israel.
Theres the people Jesus {the Holy One} will burn. Those who believe they can cast away His law. The chaff=tares
John said to repent
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Jesus said repent
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Peter said Repent
Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Paul said repent
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Repentance is = the action of repenting; sincere regret or remorse.
Repent = feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
What do we need to repent of? Sin
What is sin?
No law = no sin.
The law is here today because sin is present today.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom_5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Because of Jesus and His perfect obedience I can have faith in His grace and be free from the guilt of sin.
Mat 3:1 In those days came John the Baptist, preaching in the wilderness of Judaea,
Mat 3:2 And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.
Jesus said repent
Luk 13:4 Or those eighteen, upon whom the tower in Siloam fell, and slew them, think ye that they were sinners above all men that dwelt in Jerusalem?
Luk 13:5 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
Peter said Repent
Act_2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Paul said repent
Act 26:20 But shewed first unto them of Damascus, and at Jerusalem, and throughout all the coasts of Judaea, and then to the Gentiles, that they should repent and turn to God, and do works meet for repentance.
Repentance is = the action of repenting; sincere regret or remorse.
Repent = feel or express sincere regret or remorse about one's wrongdoing or sin.
Rev 3:19 As many as I love, I rebuke and chasten: be zealous therefore, and repent.
What do we need to repent of? Sin
What is sin?
No law = no sin.
The law is here today because sin is present today.
Rom_3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom_5:13 (For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Rom_5:20 Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
Because of Jesus and His perfect obedience I can have faith in His grace and be free from the guilt of sin.
"The saints will not commit spiritual adultery to go back to the Law"
This is true, the law can't save anyone all are save by faith in Jesus, He is the only way to be saved.
The law holds us all guilty as sinners. So if we try to be saved by it we will fail.
Jesus kept it and was free from sin, so death had no hold on Him. Death has a hold on all of us.
The law points out sin
grace over looks sin
Jesus didn't come to destroy the law he came to give us a way to be free from the law.
To keep the law to be saved is wrong.
To keep the law because you hate sin or hate dong what is wrong is not spiritual adultery.
If a husband said to his wife if you love me please obey me and the wife said i love and she tried to obey him would that be adultery?
Exo_20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
Deu_11:1 Therefore thou shalt love the LORD thy God, and keep his charge, and his statutes, and his judgments, and his commandments, alway.
Joh_14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
Joh_14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
Joh_15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
1Jn_5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
1Jn_5:3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Your picture separates Jesus and the law but the Bible teaches us that Love for Jesus obeys the law. Jesus perfectly obeyed the law and when i love Jesus i naturally show it by desiring to obey Him.
care to explain these verses below
Here is the patience of the saints:
here are they that keep the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another,
shall [all flesh] come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Zechariah 8:23 - “Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘In those days it shall come to pass that ten men
out of all the languages of the nations shall take hold, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that
is a Jew, saying, “We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”
here are they that keep the commandments of God,
and the faith of Jesus.
And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another,
shall [all flesh] come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
Zechariah 8:23 - “Thus saith the Lord of hosts: ‘In those days it shall come to pass that ten men
out of all the languages of the nations shall take hold, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that
is a Jew, saying, “We will go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.”