So what about the fourth commandment?
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I am so glad we can discuss without bad feelings....so far anyway !
'being born again' could prove a thorny subject as it is a Christians 'pet belief'....really a subject on it's own.
And why are we not under law when led by the Spirit ? Because we will DO the law/Commandments....thus removing the power and death of the law over us. Doing what God says is the answer to the law.
'being born again' could prove a thorny subject as it is a Christians 'pet belief'....really a subject on it's own.
And why are we not under law when led by the Spirit ? Because we will DO the law/Commandments....thus removing the power and death of the law over us. Doing what God says is the answer to the law.
Why would there be bad feelings at all!
We should be rejoicing and honoring GOD with our lives since this IS our acceptable form of worship
And not only in one set apart day
But every day
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by sinful flesh GOD did for us by sending HIS SON
Again the grace of GOD is NOT a free license to sin
We should be rejoicing and honoring GOD with our lives since this IS our acceptable form of worship
And not only in one set apart day
But every day
For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by sinful flesh GOD did for us by sending HIS SON
Again the grace of GOD is NOT a free license to sin
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Yes the eternal rest that Christ obtained for us by his finished work of faith as a labor of love during the first six day will come to fruition in the new heavens and earth .
Would you describe why the differences between the reasons we are to observe the 4th commandment from one rendering to another in those parables. What was the purpose of the two different renderings? ?
Which one is a law that must be obeyed by which we can judge one another in respect to.... seeing you say they were more than shadows pointing ahead ?
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. Deu 5:14
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exo 20:11
Deuteronomy informs us he commanded us to keep it. And in Exodus he blessed it hallowed it. How would you explain that difference also?
Why did he not say in the Deuteronomy rendering. He blessed it and hallowed it. And in Exodus Christ in God commanded them to keep it as a law not subject to change which is different than a ceremonial fleshly law used as a shadow to discern the clean and the unclean , which was subject to change when the time of reformation came? Did the reformation come?
According to Ezekiel below there is a difference between keeping a law that we can judge or evaluate one another with and hallowing .
And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; “and” they shall hallow my sabbaths. Eze 44:23
Again why not and they shall keep my Sabbaths as something they could judge one another with.?
Is keeping and hallowing the same thing ? There appears to be a difference? How do you discern the difference?
What does the scripture inform us? Can we keep the fleshly ceremonial laws or were they shadows of things to come and not that which comes from our own fleshly minds?
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Col 2:16
Would you describe why the differences between the reasons we are to observe the 4th commandment from one rendering to another in those parables. What was the purpose of the two different renderings? ?
Which one is a law that must be obeyed by which we can judge one another in respect to.... seeing you say they were more than shadows pointing ahead ?
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.And remember that thou wast a servant in the land of Egypt, and that the LORD thy God brought thee out thence through a mighty hand and by a stretched out arm: therefore the LORD thy God commanded thee to keep the sabbath day. Deu 5:14
But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exo 20:11
Deuteronomy informs us he commanded us to keep it. And in Exodus he blessed it hallowed it. How would you explain that difference also?
Why did he not say in the Deuteronomy rendering. He blessed it and hallowed it. And in Exodus Christ in God commanded them to keep it as a law not subject to change which is different than a ceremonial fleshly law used as a shadow to discern the clean and the unclean , which was subject to change when the time of reformation came? Did the reformation come?
According to Ezekiel below there is a difference between keeping a law that we can judge or evaluate one another with and hallowing .
And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean. And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; “and” they shall hallow my sabbaths. Eze 44:23
Again why not and they shall keep my Sabbaths as something they could judge one another with.?
Is keeping and hallowing the same thing ? There appears to be a difference? How do you discern the difference?
What does the scripture inform us? Can we keep the fleshly ceremonial laws or were they shadows of things to come and not that which comes from our own fleshly minds?
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, Col 2:16
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100 pages about the Old way of the written code that scripture clearly tells us Christians we are not under, having died to and been released from it, SO THAT, we now serve in the New way of the Spirit.
That's the bottom line folks, and it always will be. There is no getting around it, even though the Judaizers will continually keep trying to find a way.
That's the bottom line folks, and it always will be. There is no getting around it, even though the Judaizers will continually keep trying to find a way.
God finished His work and rested on the seventh day. Therefore He hallowed it, and commanded us to honor it. If you feel "released" from that, go right ahead. I am not "released" from the 4th commandment, and I am so very very thankful that I am not "released" from it!
Help!!!, I am in bondage to a day of rest! (sarcasm mine)
Help!!!, I am in bondage to a day of rest! (sarcasm mine)
same here, I certainly don't harbor bad feelings towards you!
well... but wouldn't it be a simple thing to say whether people who are born again have the Holy Spirit?
If it's not simple, then sure, we can open up another thread to talk about "born again", if you like...
my feeling is to talk about this once we come to an understanding about Born Again...
well... but wouldn't it be a simple thing to say whether people who are born again have the Holy Spirit?
If it's not simple, then sure, we can open up another thread to talk about "born again", if you like...
my feeling is to talk about this once we come to an understanding about Born Again...
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Now move on to what laws Jesus teaches..perhaps what shadows the laws of the old testament foreshadows and Jesus fulfilled in His life, death and resurrection, the difference between the Old covenant with the ten commandments and other laws and the New Covenant Jesus made (which was promised to Abraham and others through the ages)...now that would be a thread I would like to read...
Whoever has the veil over their heart will not receive the things of God until God Himself removes that veil.
This is for His own purpose.
That's too bad.
Some people haven't got this sorted out enough to realize that it does have to do with our salvation.
Here's why:
We are released from the Law -- the whole Torah -- through the power of the cross, being crucified with Christ and raised again with Him.
This Cross is the mechanism of our salvation.
Since mike here testifies that he is not released from the law, he has not identified himself with Christ; instead, he's identified himself with the old covenant at Sinai. Salvation is only found in Christ. If anyone is not immersed in Him, and identified with Him, they are condemned. Without Christ -- as mike testifies that he is -- there is no justification. no redemption. no sanctification. no salvation.
Those who are under the old covenant are judged by it.
He doesn't keep this covenant. Maybe he plays at it. So what? So he's condemned by it. In embracing the justification of the law he is rejecting the Lord. He'll tell you otherwise -- but read everything he's ever written: has he preached Christ, even once? No. He preaches the justification of the law, constantly. He doesn't know Christ. Maybe he even bears fruit -- but it is not for God.
The only escape from the condemnation of the law is the cross, and at the cross we not only escape the condemnation of the law, but the entirety of the law itself. That includes the 4th commandment just as much as it includes all the others.
Next, you will accuse me of preaching lawlessness. Because you don't understand the power of the cross: By which i have died to all these things, i also have been made alive to God, exchanging the written code that brings death and the curse of God to all who do not perfectly adhere to it, to the living Word of God inscribed in my heart. i do not live -- Christ lives. So if you call me lawless, you call Christ, who lives in me, lawless.
Do you really think that the Son of God is without moral character? The very One who wrote the law to those under the old covenant is the One who is transforming my heart molecule-by-molecule into the image of the Son.
Jesus asked Peter once, who do the kings of the earth collect taxes from, their children or from strangers? The answer of course is strangers - and so Jesus told him that the children are exempt.
Who do you think the kings of the earth hold under law, their children or strangers?
This is for His own purpose.
That's too bad.
Some people haven't got this sorted out enough to realize that it does have to do with our salvation.
Here's why:
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God.
(Romans 7:4)
(Romans 7:4)
We are released from the Law -- the whole Torah -- through the power of the cross, being crucified with Christ and raised again with Him.
This Cross is the mechanism of our salvation.
Since mike here testifies that he is not released from the law, he has not identified himself with Christ; instead, he's identified himself with the old covenant at Sinai. Salvation is only found in Christ. If anyone is not immersed in Him, and identified with Him, they are condemned. Without Christ -- as mike testifies that he is -- there is no justification. no redemption. no sanctification. no salvation.
Those who are under the old covenant are judged by it.
He doesn't keep this covenant. Maybe he plays at it. So what? So he's condemned by it. In embracing the justification of the law he is rejecting the Lord. He'll tell you otherwise -- but read everything he's ever written: has he preached Christ, even once? No. He preaches the justification of the law, constantly. He doesn't know Christ. Maybe he even bears fruit -- but it is not for God.
The only escape from the condemnation of the law is the cross, and at the cross we not only escape the condemnation of the law, but the entirety of the law itself. That includes the 4th commandment just as much as it includes all the others.
Next, you will accuse me of preaching lawlessness. Because you don't understand the power of the cross: By which i have died to all these things, i also have been made alive to God, exchanging the written code that brings death and the curse of God to all who do not perfectly adhere to it, to the living Word of God inscribed in my heart. i do not live -- Christ lives. So if you call me lawless, you call Christ, who lives in me, lawless.
Do you really think that the Son of God is without moral character? The very One who wrote the law to those under the old covenant is the One who is transforming my heart molecule-by-molecule into the image of the Son.
Jesus asked Peter once, who do the kings of the earth collect taxes from, their children or from strangers? The answer of course is strangers - and so Jesus told him that the children are exempt.
Who do you think the kings of the earth hold under law, their children or strangers?
He went on to tell Peter,
((Since Peter had been trapped by his words))
So we don't offend.
The Lord Himself will provide for us
Think about that!
As it is, i no longer live, but Christ lives in me
Now submitting, no longer trying to establish what He has already declared.
That's salvation. That's redemption. That's what's missing in a lot of people who call themselves 'Christian.'
What's missing is rest!!
Whether it's because they simply have not heard, and do not know, or because they are false -- they have heard, and rejected it -- i don't know. Pray the veil is removed, and His mercy is revealed, so His name may be glorified, and we may be one as He is one.
But so we do not offend them..
go and observe the miracle of God providing for you, to pay the temple tax.
((Since Peter had been trapped by his words))
So we don't offend.
The Lord Himself will provide for us
Think about that!
As it is, i no longer live, but Christ lives in me
Now submitting, no longer trying to establish what He has already declared.
That's salvation. That's redemption. That's what's missing in a lot of people who call themselves 'Christian.'
What's missing is rest!!
Whether it's because they simply have not heard, and do not know, or because they are false -- they have heard, and rejected it -- i don't know. Pray the veil is removed, and His mercy is revealed, so His name may be glorified, and we may be one as He is one.
Were you "helping" your brothers and sisters then?
What if they told you that every day they treat as holy to GOD?
What do you do differently on that one day from the rest of the days?
Celebrate the "Passover" which was a lasting ordinance which GOD commanded of all those who were corcumcised?
Did you circumcise yourself and make yourself a NEW/EIGTH DAY creation having passed through Egypt and into Israel?
Orr did GOD do that by the true corcumcision which is inward
What if they told you that every day they treat as holy to GOD?
What do you do differently on that one day from the rest of the days?
Celebrate the "Passover" which was a lasting ordinance which GOD commanded of all those who were corcumcised?
Did you circumcise yourself and make yourself a NEW/EIGTH DAY creation having passed through Egypt and into Israel?
Orr did GOD do that by the true corcumcision which is inward
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Okay, nice and slow.
Read this verse sloooooowly.
For [in] six days YHVH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHVH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 20:11 (KJV, MBM)
We will even stay in English, for the moment. Look at the definition for "hallowed":
God chose a specific day to set apart for a sacred use.
People can say everyday is holy if they want, but it defeats the proper use of the word, "holy".
If one is set apart as sacred, it has to be different from the others.
I hope this helps.
Read this verse sloooooowly.
For [in] six days YHVH made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh day: wherefore YHVH blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
Exodus 20:11 (KJV, MBM)
We will even stay in English, for the moment. Look at the definition for "hallowed":
God chose a specific day to set apart for a sacred use.
People can say everyday is holy if they want, but it defeats the proper use of the word, "holy".
If one is set apart as sacred, it has to be different from the others.
I hope this helps.
What does it defeat?
Have you entered into HIS REST?
Have you passed through the Lord's SABBATH DAY rest a new creation in CHRIST?
If one remains in The ONE who washed them and sanctified them then they are "holy". It's when they go out from that TRUTH that they are going out from that TRUTH
Can you make anything " holy" apart from THE LORD?
No you can't. And to those who have been washed and marked by HIS BLOOD, they will honor HIM with their lives
If the vessels have not been marked as holy to GOD, what can they do?
Have you entered into HIS REST?
Have you passed through the Lord's SABBATH DAY rest a new creation in CHRIST?
If one remains in The ONE who washed them and sanctified them then they are "holy". It's when they go out from that TRUTH that they are going out from that TRUTH
Can you make anything " holy" apart from THE LORD?
No you can't. And to those who have been washed and marked by HIS BLOOD, they will honor HIM with their lives
If the vessels have not been marked as holy to GOD, what can they do?