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Tintin
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Um. It's Christian beliefs and values (as found in the Bible) that influenced politics/economics etc. to outlaw slavery.
many wives is this a sin?
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Um. It's Christian beliefs and values (as found in the Bible) that influenced politics/economics etc. to outlaw slavery.
Yea, that is true. It's interesting because Jesus often talked about being enslaved to sin, I think His message transcended cultural norms and problems, and gave hope to a depraved world. The slave masters back in Bible times were just as enslaved as the slaves themselves, ironically. They were lost in sin.
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Tintin
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Biblical slavery, as practiced by the Hebrew people wasn't part of God's original plan (eg. it was a result of the Fall), but it was far, far removed from slavery as we know it. Theirs was a practice of indentured servitude. But yes, slavery as we know it was practised by others in the ancient world.
I'm not sure it's okay to execute an "indentured servant" by dragging it out two or three days, as permitted in the Law of Moses.
The Catholic Church banned slavery decades before the United States did. Still, the Jesuits in Georgetown (part of DC) continued to have slaves, as well as bishops throughout Dixie, for the same reason Catholics continue to practice birth control in opposition to the Vatican: People do whatever they want, and divine guidelines be damned,
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Tintin
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Exodus 21:20-21 (NASB) “If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.
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Tintin
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Thanks for clarifying, I wonder, how should we best explain this part of the Bible when confronted by atheists or non-Christians who claim that the Bible ''supports'' slavery.
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Hawkins
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First, it's talking about the secular slavery system instead of the Jewish slavery system. The Jews are not allowed to even beat a Hebrew slave.
Second, it's talking about if the slave recovers slowly by himself, it won't be counted as against the Law.
In comparison, the Egyptians killed the Jews' children simply for population control.
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Tintin
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I'm not sure why you're egging Watcher on. He's a complete nutter. One man for one woman. That's the biblical way.
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Tintin
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Thanks for clarifying, I wonder, how should we best explain this part of the Bible when confronted by atheists or non-Christians who claim that the Bible ''supports'' slavery.
We should discuss it with great care and with people who are willing to explore the truth. If they're not willing, say your bit and leave.
Firstly, I would tell them that they can't judge/interpret a book that's a few thousand years old as if it were written today. Historical and cultural context must be adhered to. Remind them that the ancient world was a much more violent and chaotic place than we have today.
Given that introduction, I would then explore actual Bible verses in their context to show that 'slavery', as practised by the Jewish people, was very different to slavery as practised by their pagan neighbours.
Finally, I would finish up the bulk of the talk with a discussion about what indentured servitude really is and how it's very different to slavery as we know it eg. which was more in line with the pagan nation practices. Provide examples of indentured servitude. eg. economic models we have to this day in employees being indebted to their employers.
If that doesn't help to change a person's mind about what the Bible really says about 'slavery', I don't know what will. At the very least, they'll be well informed to make their own choice about what to believe. Holy Spirit will do the rest.
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Speaking of confused, I don't understand how you can say others lack comprehension of biblical principles while you yourself heartily agree with someone who posted that our Lord is a polygamist and has two wives.
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/140271-my-marriage-falling-apart-8.html#post2753765
That is absolutely not biblical truth. That's either a Mormon, Muslim or Hindu belief, or something. It certainly is not Christian belief. And yet you continue to roam the threads to rally behind all those who support such a bizarre belief and contradict those who stand for godliness in the righteousness of Jesus Christ.
In 100% agreement on this issue. An absence of discernment and sound understanding of the word can lead them to these challenges as solicited by the enemy. That's why we require a thorough understanding of His Word to equip us for this life, and ultimately, to have that relationship with our heavenly Father.